ink has nothing to do w murder or mental illness.

[mopinko]

if i see one more post about this kid's ink being a red flag, i'm gonna get myself banned.
please stop it. the sweetest people i know are covered in ink, including my 2 daughters.

just.stop.it.

[FreepFryer]

1. Being judged on your appearance sucks. Lets not do to others the harm POC and LGBTQ suffer daily.

wrong is wrong

[mopinko]

2. ty. exactly.

not here at least ffs.

[FreepFryer]

3. +1. (nt)

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

4. You know it!!

[Triloon]

40. Ridiculous comparison.

Ridiculous for so many reasons I wont even start listing them.
If one chooses to permanently mark up their face and expect only positive judgements on it then their own judgement becomes fair game.
If they claim to be so edgy that they 'don't care what people think', then they should quit complaining about it.
You are free to choose whatever you please, and others are free to think whatever they please about it.

[FreepFryer]

42. wow, thanks so much for sharing! (nt)

[Silent3]

72. I agree

Now, of course, no one should go overboard in judging a person's character based on their choices of body art -- like deciding the person in criminal or dangerous just because they have face tattoos.

But this isn't like race or gender identity either, something you're born with that isn't a choice.

Tattoos are a reflection of personal choices -- and you're right, I have no obligation to love other people's personal choices. I can support the freedom to make those choices without having to give up my own feelings and aesthetic judgments about those choices.

[Ferrets are Cool]

5. You are absolutely correct, UNLESS

they are saying terrible things...ie:

[mopinko]

7. sure. true. but the comment

that set this off was that he had ink on his face. wasnt about the content.

[Ferrets are Cool]

10. I understand. Mine was a general comment.

AND, I agreed with you.

[mopinko]

13. yeah, ink like that should not only get you bakered

it should get the guy that did it a hard look, too.

[Ferrets are Cool]

17. Well, Thanks. I learned a new word today.

[EX500rider]

76. I assume it is from the Baker Act

The Baker Act is a Florida law that enables families and loved ones to provide emergency mental health services and temporary detention for people who are impaired because of their mental illness, and who are unable to determine their needs for treatment.

[yardwork]

6. Oh, DU. Sometimes I feel as if I'm at a Lutheran church picnic here.

No offense against Lutherans! Lovely people. But DU can be very conventional. Most of us are older, white, and fairly socially conservative.

[mopinko]

8. boy howdy.

there is a well tuned choir.

[OldBaldy1701E]

14. 'Conventional' eh?

I have known plenty of people who are older than me who have ink. I understand that those old tropes are still around, but considering how we are always trying to project an air of 'progressive values', then we need to stop falling back on them for any reason. Or, is all the talk about equality and progress just a load? One has to wonder sometimes.

[yardwork]

18. Didn't mean to offend or imply that being older or white equates to being conventional.

I'll just say that DU is fairly conventional in many ways, and leave it at that.

[OldBaldy1701E]

20. None taken. I agree with you. (n/t)

[Butterflylady]

58. Yes and here is an almost 76 yr. old who has a lot ink.

My late husband had 2 sleeves of ink gotten when he was in his late 50s, so yes there are a lot of us.

[kcr]

24. Perfect description

I often feel that way about this place too.

[Javaman]

9. welcome to the "video games are the cause for all violence" club. nt

[NutmegYankee]

11. No kidding. nt

[yardwork]

12. And playing Dungeons and Dragons.

[OldBaldy1701E]

16. I am still amazed that this one is still around.

When someone falls back on that old bit, I just laugh and walk away.

[mopinko]

15. that shit has worn so thin.

how can anyone say that w a straight face any more?

[hunter]

21. Or music, or cannabis, etc..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reefer_Madness

[yardwork]

22. Goes back to the 1920s - and a big part of Jim Crow!

White supremacy is at the root of most of our country's problems.

[Hortensis]

30. I would have said people are. But, tattoos were a big part of Jim Crow

and should be associated with white supremacy?

[yardwork]

38. The post I responded to referenced the hysteria over cannabis.

It's actually a very enlightening piece of history. Until the 1920s or so, cannabis was legal and not considered a threat. People used it as an ornamental screen in their gardens. But, in tandem with the imposition of white supremacist Jim Crow laws and fight against labor laws, cannabis was targeted because it was supposedly used by musicians, artists, socialists, people of color, scary leftists of all types. The word "marijuana" was literally made up to imply that this was a drug from Mexico - a scary place full of leftists like Trotsky.

The poster is of an infamous propaganda film.

[Hortensis]

52. Oh, didn't notice the segue. That's interesting, thanks. They lost the battle

to make "marijuana" a racist trigger word.

I once knew a guy who grew a rather beautiful screen of lush marijuana plants in a converted porch, along a wall of windows facing the I-5 freeway in Los Angeles. It was an old house at freeway level on a hillside and close enough to easily see the drivers' faces. And vice versa.

[IjustDontlikeRepugs]

54. When I was in college

My friends and I would get stoned and watch that movie. It was hilarious!

[mitch96]

59. Reminds me of a "study" that stated that Coffee reduced alcohol consumption. "They" looked

at AA meetings and saw people at the meetings drank a lot of coffee.
The conclusion was the coffee consumption got people sober... Uff such logic...
m

[GoCubsGo]

19. Yup. I know plenty of inked-up people, too.

None of them are mentally ill or murderers. I never understood the whole tattoo thing. It's right up there with piercing certain body parts, and ear spools. Not my cup of tea, but to each his or her own...

[mopinko]

28. my daughter runs a chain restaurant-

when she wanted to move to nyc from chi, she asked for an got a transfer.
all her cooks were covered in ink that was, in fact, gang tats. mexicanos. all guys you wouldnt want to bump into in a dark alley.
when she left, she said they were blubbering like a bunch of over tired toddlers.

books, covers, all that.

[IronLionZion]

23. That bias happens in court cases too

where tattoos are often seen as proof of gangs or violence or something, when they are often just art. There are gang tattoos but there are also normal tattoos.

[TheBlackAdder]

44. Lately jury selection is asking if you have any bumper stickers or other marking on your car.

.

This was right before my kids got me a Spaceballs "May the Schwartz Be With You" license plate frame.

.

[IronLionZion]

46. My American flag and rosary have me mistaken for a conservative some times

[blueinredohio]

25. My husband, daughter and oldest grandson have lots of tattoos.

[AntivaxHunters]

26. I'm half sleeved

And every single one of my friends is inked.
As I said, you can really see the generation gap on here. It's not 1972 anymore.

[ecstatic]

27. Can we add "quiet" to that list as well?

The first thing people say about shooters is that they were/are quiet.

[yardwork]

39. We introverts are scary, don't you know?

[barbtries]

29. my oldest son and his wife are both

full of tattoos. I have 4 myself. It's not just for sailors and bikers anymore, not for a long time.

My grandson and I got tattoos together for his 19th birthday. We're good people.

[mopinko]

31. i got a tat w my 2 daughters on the baby's 18th.

peak mom experience.
lovely family you have there. i have 3 atm, and plans for a couple more.

i just hooked up w a new man, sweetest thing ever, and has some damn awesome ink.
so this hit me so wrong this morning.

[barbtries]

34. glad i missed it.

tattoos are mainstream. I'm very fond of mine, they all have meaning to me, and I am happy with them.

it was really fun. As i told him, "you'll be the only person you know who gets to say you went to get a tattoo with your grandma!"

[kooth]

43. Great smiles!

And great smiles, too! This ink looks good!

[barbtries]

47. thanks Kooth

it was a good day with him.

[KentuckyWoman]

32. Same

I am not much for tattoo but nearly all the under 40 yr olds I meet have it. They aren't maniacs. Times have changed.

[Hortensis]

33. Agree. Aside from typical military tattoos, it used to fairly reliably signal

a counterculture outlook of some type, but not even that anymore unless designed to.

[mopinko]

36. yeah. they say it's hard to get a job in a kitchen if you have no ink.

no idea if that's true, but it is the level of acceptance.

[Silent3]

69. These days I consider most tattoos the opposite of counterculture

A lot of it seems more like mindlessly following the crowd. Leaving your body ink-free seems like a greater assertion of individuality now.

[Hortensis]

73. :) Maybe they can be both, like in kitchens. Funny how fads and fashions go round.

I remember when having visible tattoos was mostly a rule-out for most jobs, and social circles. That was my problem with them then -- effectively permanent self crippling. Then that changed, and still changing as removals increase.

[TNNurse]

35. I know some wonderful people with tattoos.

I am not a fan, but do not judge anyone for it.

However, tats on the face make me wonder....

[mopinko]

37. tats you cant cover up are another level of commitment.

and personally i cant imagine how much that hurts, but...

[TNNurse]

62. I would think that those on the neck are scary.

There are also some pretty delicate places I won't mention, but I cannot see those.

[piddyprints]

41. I don't get the appeal of tattoos.

But I consider someone else's none of my business and certainly no reason to judge. Both of my daughters have them, as do most people we know. It boggles my mind how someone could see them as any kind of a red flag.

I agree with you 100%.

[LuckyCharms]

45. You're right, mopinko

I posted response yesterday to a question someone asked about the "suspect" or "person of interest". There was a video of him, that was subsequently deleted, so people who had not seen the video yet were asking others to describe the video.

I'd have to go back and look and my post to read my exact response, but going from memory, I tried to give a quick synopsis of the video by saying something like "A dark video. Shot in front of a wall which had a newspaper with a headline about Oswald being shot. Very dark video, a lot of angst and violent themes. Person's hands were tattooed". Something like that.

I few hours later, I was thinking about my response, and I got the notion that I was foolish to even mention the ink on his hands, because it has nothing to do with anything. I think in my mind, I automatically, and wrongly, made the assumption that the ink conveyed some kind of symbols of hate. However, I didn't watch the video long enough to know if that was the case.

So I would like to apologize for my comment, because even though I only mentioned the ink on his hands to try to paint a picture of the individual for someone who had not seen the video, I can see how my comment was offensive, because in actuality, I jumped the gun, assumed the ink was hateful without knowing for sure, and made a comment about it. I was wrong to do that, and I'm sorry.

[JT45242]

48. not tattoos but the choice of tattoos ....

The 47 is a clear link to tRump.

Not sure what the tally mark is.

I know lots of people form all walks of life with tattoos -- those affiliated with Trump, White supremacists, are red flags.

Half of my baby sitters for my kids had tattoos.

My SIL's step daughter's boyfriend walked up to us yesterday with a supremacist tattoo and openly carrying a pistol at a July 4th parade -- those are red flags. The standard cross on the other arm didn't bother me.

[Sunsky]

49. Judgmental and ridiculous

I cannot believe anyone would say that. I am a Christian, a mental health provider, and I have numerous tattoos. I'm hoping to get some more. I have never had a homicidal thought, not once. I just love art which turned into body art when I got older. Some I drew personally and gave to my tattoo artist to perfect. How does that fit into their stereotyping? Lol
Thanks for the laugh this morning.

Some may look at the nature of the tattoos on someone as a sign of trouble but even dark and gory tattoos may not be reflective of homicidal tendencies. Tattoos are a great conversation piece. In all seriousness though, we all have our biases that we need to acknowledge and process. One of my fellow providers told me that she once thought negatively of people with facial tattoos until she started working in this field.

[KS Toronado]

50. Best tattoo I've ever seen

was a Mickey Mantle rookie baseball card which my coworker Kirk got at a national tattoo convention.
Looked like it was photo-shopped on being so life like.

[Chainfire]

51. I am of the mindset, that I would not decorate my body, permanently, with artwork

that I wouldn't hang on my living room walls. I am old. I managed to avoid tattoos even when I was in the Navy.

That said, my son is a tattoo artist, he has also tattooed my daughter, so I have had to get over my prejudice. I tend to judge the content of the tattoos rather than the tattoos. I reserve the right to judge, tear drops, barb wire, and Fascist symbolism, the same way I judge bumper stickers on cars. I also am skeptical about people who deface their faces with tattoos, but I recognize that it is really none of my damn business.

My son has done a lot of work on police officers. One of his regular customers killed two people in a couple of years time. Both killings were sketchy if not judged as unlawful, although neither of his victims were armed. He immortalized the killings by having the dates tattooed on his arm. Of course, I don't know what was in his heart.

As far as the young man in question, I have plenty to damn him over without getting into his of his choice of body art. I guess that the good thing about the murderer's artwork is that he would have a hard time disguising himself.

[BumRushDaShow]

53. I know one of my nieces has a small rose

on the back near one of her shoulders.

I'm not into them but I do know our favorite hopefully-to-be-next Senator-of-PA showcases his!



(it's his reminder to himself to keep it real)

[mopinko]

55. we soooo need more real.

so, so, so need it.

[Rebl2]

57. What

do the numbers represent-left arm. Can’t tell what’s on his right arm.

[spooky3]

61. Could it be his zip code?

That’s in Pennsylvania. It would be funny if he challenges Oz to show his NJ zip code.

[Rebl2]

63. Looked it

up and it is his zip code. The other arm are dates of gun/violent deaths in his town while he was mayor.

[BumRushDaShow]

65. Yup that's what those are

(sorry - had to run out and water my poor plants since some rain forecast for a couple days ago pretty much missed us )

[BumRushDaShow]

66. Oz couldn't even spell the PA town he supposedly "lives in" correctly when he filed as a candidate

https://www.businessinsider.com/oz-pennsylvania-residence-spelling-campaign-form-2022-6

Link to tweet

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Have to admit, as someone who grew up in "Huntingdon" and had to explain that it wasn't "Huntingdon Valley," this bugs me.

There is no "Huntington Valley, Pa."

There is only "Huntingdon Valley, Pa."
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And as a note - that is the same town where there was a swim club that declared that a day camp's children from here in Philly who paid a group rate for use of the pool a couple times a week, complained the first day they arrived that the children "changed the complexion" of the club, told them to leave, and refunded their money. Needless to say, the club shut down, filed for bankruptcy, and the camp's organization eventually received a $1.1 million settlement for discrimination (10 years ago). Fortunately Tyler Perry gave the children a great gift though - all expenses paid trip to Disney World.

[Rebl2]

67. Couldn't spell

the name of town he supposedly lives in? That’s all you need to know. What an idiot mr. Oz is.

[Snackshack]

56. Agreed.

[Scrivener7]

60. I have one. But could people be reacting to the choice of subject?

Just asking bc I don't know. I'm not reading about the creep or looking at pictures of him or linking to his shit. He wants notoriety. I won't give it to him.

[BlackSkimmer]

64. Of course not. Though I do find neck and face tattoos to be a little over the top.

I consider them to be "look at me!" tattoos, but to each his own.

[TheProle]

68. It is sometimes related to trauma, however

https://www.psypost.org/2022/07/tattoos-and-piercings-are-more-common-among-those-who-experienced-childhood-abuse-and-neglect-63440

Tattoos and piercings have skyrocketed in popularity over the last few decades. These body modifications can be seen as a way to express individuality, but could there be a darker association? A study published in BMC Psychology suggests that people with a history of child abuse and neglect are more likely to get tattoos and piercings.

Tattoos and piercings have been around for centuries and often have cultural or personal significance. Old-fashioned norms thought of visible tattoos or piercings as unprofessional, but society has been moving away from that view in recent years and nowadays it is very common for people to have these body modifications.

Many people partake in them to express their personality or aesthetic. Previous research on tattooed and pierced individuals has linked them to having lower self-esteem and a higher need for uniqueness. Trauma survivors may turn to body modification as a way to overcome past experiences. Despite this, there is a lack of research regarding body modification and child abuse, which this study seeks to address.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/psypost/

[mopinko]

75. sounds like a load of horse hockey to me.

in the past, maybe. but these days? c'mon man.

[TheProle]

77. Okie doke

[róisín_dubh]

71. THANK YOU!

Sorry for shouting. I'm so over it. I'm covered. I'm also a professor and studying to become a solicitor. I've never been arrested nor have had as much as a traffic violation. I've never dealt drugs or been violent.
One post this morning really set me off.

[Silent3]

74. It's usually nothing more than a sign of poor taste

Yes, I'm judgmental about how most tattoos look, especially face tattoos. Even when technically well executed, they're often are trite, recycled imagery.

The "tough guy" tattoos that so many men get, in particular, with snakes and eagles and skulls and the like - remind me of stuff 12 y/o boys doodle when bored at school.