Will Gavin Newsom run for president in 2024? Here is Newsom's ad running in Florida.

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[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. Nope. I don't see it happening. He'll be in his second term as CA Governor. n/t

[Bucky]

5. Both Reagan and Brown ran for president while in office

[BannonsLiver]

11. I'm not sure that matters much.

[OLDMDDEM]

2. I hope so.

He is young, progressive, and popular. I would vote for him in the next election.

[BannonsLiver]

10. If Biden doesn't run I'd be interested in seeing him run

Doesn’t guarantee I’d vote for him but I’d definitely be interested.

[OLDMDDEM]

21. I agree

We are to the point in congress, as well as the presidency, that we need younger blood in office.

[Demsrule86]

33. No, we need Democrats who can win running for office period.

[gldstwmn]

79. There's already been polling for Newsome. He wins.

[Demsrule86]

86. I call bullshit. First of all way too early; Secondly...he will never win the rustbelt...Never.

And we have no path without the rustbelt. Secondly, if he primaries Biden, we lose the presidency even if Biden wins the primary. Never- as in not once- has a sitting Democratic president been primaried and won the General...If this were to happen Newsome would be a pariah-like Nader-and deservedly so...he can try in 28 but I bet he loses the primary then also.

[gldstwmn]

89. He isn't going to primary Biden. He wouldn't do that.

I have doubts as to whether Biden will seek a second term.

[Demsrule86]

90. Wishful thinking on your part. Biden will seek a second term...he knows the history of incumbents

having the best chance of winning...unless he is ill or dead...he will be the nominee and will win.

[gldstwmn]

91. If Biden wants a second term I'm good with that. It's not like I don't want him to run again.

I do. He polls best against the Republicans from what I've seen.

[Tetrachloride]

3. I do not like 2024 threads. Focus on this year.

[JohnSJ]

13. +++. It is just wasted speculation for so many reasons. Right now the focus needs to be on winning

the midterms.

If we can't at the bare minimum maintain control of the Senate, and hopeful the House, it really doesn't matter

In addition, winning state offices is extremely important for the midterms.

[Sympthsical]

4. It would be incredibly awkward for the party

Harris, a fellow Californian, would be standing right there.

And within our party, a white male stepping over a woman of color - from his home state - would elicit . . . commentary.

[enough]

6. Candidates can't be chosen by who's turn it is.

This is war.

[Sympthsical]

24. How things should be vs. how things are

I'm not saying I would care. I wouldn't. No matter what, I always want who I think the best candidate would be.

However, I definitely know how other people would react and the narratives that would fly.

I think it would be a bitter affair and could do a decent bit of intraparty damage. Not necessarily crippling, but we'd end up with some 2008/2016 level lingering bitterness.

(For the record, I think Newsom would be the better candidate)

[Bucky]

7. Interesting tidbit: they're two separate people

There's no real reason why Newsom should defer to Harris. As long as they don't bloody each other up too bad, I really don't see a problem with them running against each other in 2024 or 2028.

[Demsrule86]

32. I think you need to look at the states we need, Neither Harris or Newsome will win the rustbelt and

we will lose. Biden in 24 and maybe Fetterman in 28.

[Doc Sportello]

23. Every incumbent Democratic VP has had a primary opponent since Humphrey in 1968

RFK and McCarthy in that year and Gore in 2000 had Bradley. Biden didn't run in 2016.

Nothing awkward about others, including a white male, running for President against an incumbent VP unless someone tries to manufacture such. Which would be awkward considering that Biden won an overwhelming majority of the black vote against Harris in 2020.

[Sympthsical]

27. Harris dropped out on Dec. 3rd 2019

So, it's impossible for Biden to have beaten her in any vote. She literally dropped out before a single primary or caucus was held.

We never really got a good look at how she would have done. Probably not well. It didn't seem to be going well. And I say that as someone for whom she was a first choice.

I'm not against anyone running. I think Newsom would be a formidable candidate.

I'm just saying, knowing how we are and the kinds of things that cause controversy, I see choppy waters ahead with all that. Arr, there be shitstorms on the horizon. Batten down the charmin.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

34. I'd rec your response if I could.

Agree with everything you said.

[Doc Sportello]

39. She dropped out because she was faring poorly in the polls with black voters

My first choice was Warren. I was told on here several times that a Democratic woman couldn't be elected at this time in this country. I doubted that and didn't like hearing it but have come to believe it is true, at least in the near future.

[Tree Lady]

57. Totally agree I was with Warren first also

and was disappointed that at least one of the women running weren't higher in the polls.

Even in the coastal states women were down compared to men, I was surprised at the time but thinking maybe they voted for who they thought would win overall.

[Doc Sportello]

59. That's probably true

I had high hopes after Obama's election that this country was moving away from racism and sexism. Guess I was naive.

[Tree Lady]

60. Me too after Trump the country is so much worse

All of the really bad ones were and still are free to flaunt their beliefs and now they have roped in the entire Republican Party. I think the so called decent ones went along with him and all else so they could win their policies like abortion. Thats why if we don't convict him they will vote for him again.

[Demsrule86]

35. Right...and they all lost. I don't want to repeat that pattern.

[gldstwmn]

80. I'm beginning to think there are already some contingency plans. Joe might retire.

Then there is this story which I don't quite know what to make of:
After string of Supreme Court setbacks, Democrats wonder whether Biden White House is capable of urgency moment demands

Washington (CNN)Debra Messing was fed up. The former "Will & Grace" star was among dozens of celebrity Democratic supporters and activists who joined a call with White House aides last Monday to discuss the Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade.

The mood was fatalistic, according to three people on the call, which was also co-organized by the advocacy group Build Back Better Together.
Messing said she'd gotten Joe Biden elected and wanted to know why she was being asked to do anything at all, yelling that there didn't even seem a point to voting. Others wondered why the call was happening.
That afternoon, participants received a follow-up email with a list of basic talking points and suggestions of Biden speech clips to share on TikTok.
The call, three days after the decision eliminating federal abortion rights, encapsulates the overwhelming sense of frustration among Democrats with Biden. It offers a new window into what many in the President's party describe as a mismanagement permeating the White House.
Top Democrats complain the President isn't acting with -- or perhaps is even capable of -- the urgency the moment demands.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/05/politics/democrats-frustrated-biden-lack-of-urgency-supreme-court-setbacks/index.html

[PJMcK]

8. Not if he's smart

2024 will be a shit show. Just wait.

Meanwhile, let's keep our focus on the elections this year. They will be consequential for our nation.

[RKP5637]

12. Yes, it surely will be a shit show in 2024. Hopefully the elections this year will start to

get the nation out of some of this republican crap.

[BannonsLiver]

9. Too early to speculate

It’s not too early to criticize Newsom though which I’m sure some people in the thread will do for whatever reason.

I wonder if our exalted “wealthy NYC donor” will weigh in?

[Docreed2003]

14. ISWYDT....

It's always humorous to see certain folks show up who have "insider knowledge" & who humble brag about their political donations to the plebs on this board, as if their perspective somehow outweighs everyone else's.

[BannonsLiver]

15. Yes, otherwise known as barf inducing arrogance

But it’s the total lack of any self awareness that keeps me coming back.

[Docreed2003]

18. ...

[gldstwmn]

82. Mayor Bloomberg is busy. Lol.

[Me.]

16. No. He KNows We Already Have A Candidate

and wouldn't be so disrespectful

[Demsrule86]

36. I hope Harris will not run...she was not doing well in the primary in 20 and dropped out. And the

the GOP asshats have successfully demonized her. She is very talented and would be great as president but, you have to get elected.

[Me.]

41. I Like Her But Joe Said He's Running & I believe HIm.

Case closed.

So it's 2028 and lots of people will want in, Liz CHeney for one.

[Demsrule86]

54. I am talking about 28. And I doubt Liz will run as a Democrat...Fetterman can run then.

he can win.

[Me.]

55. No LIz Will Run As A Conservative

and will, sorry to say, be hard to beat. Not a Fetterman fan after the way he has handled his current campaign and I also wonder if his heart will be an issue. THe party need to get behind, IMHO, our VP and fight like hell for her.

[WarGamer]

92. Liz Cheney?? Hard to beat??

She's about to be fired in Wyoming and wouldn't even make the debate stage mired in single digits.

[Me.]

95. It Would Be A Mistake To Count Her Out

and while her J6 work has been exemplary and brought her great praise we /she don't agree on much politically and we need to do everything we can should she ever run to stop her.

[totodeinhere]

98. Correct. She supports a nationwide aboprtion ban.

She is not our friend on just about every issue but one.

[Mr.Bill]

56. I doubt Newsom would challenge Biden.

I think he is just positioning himself and establishing nationwide recognition in the event Biden doesn't run in 2024, or to run in 2028.

[Mr.Bill]

46. On top of that, the press is

acting as if she does not exist.

[Demsrule86]

52. I know.

[Me.]

83. Interesting News From 538 Regarding Our Veep

she beats Disantis and ties tfg without any attention, praise or alcolades from the media

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216894254

[Demsrule86]

84. I do not believe a word of that...and looking ag the numbers...I am right. Those are very soft.

And they are all YouGov polls...she will not win the rustbelt. And that means we lose.

[Me.]

85. I Cannot Agree

so we will see what we will see

[gldstwmn]

81. Unless that candidate is pondering not running for a second term. Let's face it.

He'll be 82 at the time he's sworn in. If he wants to do it then I'm good with that. But he might not want to.

[BannonsLiver]

17. We can't talk about this!11

If we do we might lose the mid terms. Every time it’s mentioned Jesus takes a house seat away. 🙄🙄🙄

[sdfernando]

19. If he runs there will be some very sharp knives out.

Gavin Newsom used to be married to Kimberly Guilfoyle. I would not put it past her to really dredge up some highly personal stuff in an attempt to damage him.

[Mr.Bill]

47. If she hasn't done that yet when he ran for governor,

I would think that means he has way more on her than she has on him. He was cheating on her, she was cheating on him. That's old news at least in California.

[brush]

20. Why is this post even here? Biden is running and has said so.

Newsom is a loyal Dem and would not split the party like that. He's young and will have opportunities in the future to run when it won't be divisive.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

26. The ads in Florida have made this a news story

Biden says he's running again, but let's see what he says in a year.

[brush]

30. This is premature, divisive crap. IMO it should be taken down.

If there is a primary challenge to Biden Dems will lose big and so will the nation and the extreme winger republicans will run rampant with their fascism.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

31. How is it divicive? They are both Dems.

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We are allowed to have primaries.

[Demsrule86]

37. Not with an incumbent running everytime f'ing time that happens, we lose. SO NO. You just don't

don't like Biden.

[brush]

40. Do you have any idea of what happened the last time a sitting Dem...

president was primaried? It's an invitation to disaster. As I said, this is premature. If Biden announces he won't run then and only then is this speculation about other candidates for '24 appropriate. It's so disrespectful.

These kinds of threads are prime material for repub campaign ads blaring that even the Democrats want to get rid of Biden.

Again, it's premature. Focus on the mid-terms because if we lose Congressional majorities we're sunk as the nation, spurred by the SCOTUS Taliban 6, will devolve into a right-fueled, extremist dystopia. This is not helpful.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

48. An invitation to disaster?

This is Dem Underground - not MSNBC. I think our influence is limited to the choir we are preaching to.

[brush]

51. Is it not clear what I'm saying? Primarying a sitting Dem...

president is an invitation to disaster. And you seem to be promoting it.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

61. Nothing written on DU will invite disaster

We are just discussing politics.

But yes. I'd support a robust primary.

[brush]

64. That's idiocy. It's apparently you know little of history.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

67. I know most of what is written here is little noted nor long remembered

We need the best Dem possible. If it's Biden or someone else.

[brush]

71. In that case you must know that if Biden, a sitting president, is primaried...

that sort of internecine idiocy will reverberate loudly and nationally no matter what is written here and result in a welcome gift to republicans.

Hard for the party to do anything stupider.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

75. Are you under the impression Jimmy Carter lost because of Ted Kennedy?

I assure you, that was not the case. Jimmy Carter lost when Desert One imploded. I doubt Ted Kennedy would have bested Reagan in '80, but it might have been more competitive.

[Freddie]

22. SOMEDAY...not 2024

Gov Newsom should run, with running mate Sen. John Fetterman.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

25. I think he's exploring the idea

My guess is Biden won't run again, but what do I know?

[Demsrule86]

29. He will run again health permittiing as it is for the good of the country...and it is a hope not a

guess.

[Polybius]

74. PredictIt has Biden at 36 on who will be the Democratic nominee

While it doesn't mean much, that is historically low.

https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7057/Who-will-win-the-2024-Democratic-presidential-nomination

[Demsrule86]

76. You don't care for Biden...and it meaningless at this point...so I will simply ignore such things.

He is the only one who can win in 24...we have no candidates that can take the rustbelt. So I suggest that we both hope for the best and support Biden.

[Polybius]

77. I never said that

I just have my doubts on if he will run. I will support the nominee, as will both of us.

[Demsrule86]

88. It is a constant...Biden won't run almost a drumbeat.

[Demsrule86]

28. No, he would lose the rustbelt. And if Biden runs, no one else should run or we will lose as has

always happened when a Democratic president faces a primary during reelection.

[former9thward]

38. He is running.

It is not a "will he". And he is in a safe position since even if he loses he will still be governor of CA. And he is not the only one running.

[Demsrule86]

63. If he runs in 24 against Biden. I swear I will never vote for him a primary ever...because we will

lose the presidency as no incumbent has ever been reelected if he faced a primary. And I highly doubt Newsome could ever win the Rustbelt...Biden in 24 and Fetterman in 28.

[former9thward]

65. I doubt anyone would run against Biden.

I just don't think Biden will be running. Yes, I know, he has said he intends to run. If he didn't say that he would be labeled a lame duck. Truman and LBJ said they were running also, until they said otherwise.

[StevieM]

42. No. Joe Biden will be the Democratic nominee in 2024. (eom)

[madinmaryland]

43. If Biden runs, Newsom will not. No need to pull a Ted Kennedy.

[Initech]

44. He'd definitely make a way better president than Ron DeShithead!

[sarisataka]

45. Are we expecting Biden will change his mind about running

Or are we just rushing him out the door?

[RKP5637]

49. I thought Biden is running. ... but Newsom is running ads in FL against DeSantis. Wondering what's

going on. See this >>>

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216890634

[ChazII]

50. A good question. n/t

[RKP5637]

53. I just updated my post to show the ad he's running in FL. I was surprised. n/t

[Tree Lady]

58. I think someone in our party has to try to take

Desantis down a peg or two.

[RKP5637]

68. Yes!!! n/t

[Just A Box Of Rain]

62. Joe Biden will be our nominee in 2024 and he will win reelection.

[BannonsLiver]

66. Golly. We sure have a lot of people who can see into the future with so much clarity.

What a talented, super amazing bunch.

[RKP5637]

69. Yeah, lol ... amazing n/t

[rockfordfile]

70. That's just fox crap spin

[Xolodno]

72. Nope. Not happening.

He'll take another turn as Governor and maybe bow out early once DiFi retires. It's in his interest for Biden/Harris play out their roles.

Will he run someday? I'd put money on it, but to become a spoiler? Not happening.

He's trying to give DeSantis heartburn. Remember, he and Abbot used to do something similar here in California, talking about high, taxes, trying to poach businesses, etc. Now he's returning the favor.

[JuJuChen]

73. look, if he's going after DeSantis his ass BETTER be running

[gldstwmn]

78. I think it's entirely possible.

[kentuck]

87. Looks like he's already running?

He sees an opportunity.

[Baggies]

93. Could be

After midterms, I suspect that several will be throwing their hat in.

[roamer65]

94. He won't run if Joe is running.

Gavin wouldn’t do that.

[RKP5637]

96. I guess the old saying applies, "Time will tell." n/t

[roamer65]

97. Yup, true.

If Joe doesn’t run, then I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if he ran.

I would support him in that case.

[dclarston13]

99. If a cucumber runs on the Dem ticket Ill vote for it.

[RKP5637]

100. Yeah, same here!!! n/t