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Nevilledog

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Tue Jul 5, 2022, 12:45 PM Jul 2022

The Supreme Court is poised to cut the heart out of majority rule



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Here’s my op-ed explaining why the so-called “independent state legislature” theory SCOTUS has agreed to consider in Moore v Harper (the North Carolina redistricting case) is dangerous and doubly unconstitutional — and describing what you can do about it.
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Op-Ed: The Supreme Court is poised to cut the heart out of majority rule
If the court's conservatives adopt the independent state legislature theory, they would be making up law to create an outcome of one-party rule.
5:57 AM · Jul 5, 2022


https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-07-05/supreme-court-independent-legislature-theory-north-carolina-case-presidential-electors?_amp=true

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The Supreme Court’s extremist justices are aiming their next dagger at the heart of the entire democratic enterprise: voters’ right to pick leaders of their choice.

On Thursday, the court announced that it will hear Moore vs. Harper, a North Carolina case involving gerrymandered congressional district maps drawn by the state’s Republican-controlled Legislature. Those maps would probably give Republicans control of 11 of 14 congressional districts in the state.

North Carolina’s Supreme Court rejected the maps because they violated the state Constitution in illegally favoring Republicans. While the Moore case involves legislative districts, how we choose presidents is in the court’s sights. More on that in a moment.

In Moore, Republican state legislators petitioned the U.S. Supreme Court, advancing a debunked right-wing doctrine innocuously labeled the “independent state legislature” theory. It maintains that state courts can play no role in overseeing their legislatures in federal election matters.

Hence, according to this baseless notion, state legislatures can do whatever they want in manipulating elections no matter how extreme the results — principles of voter equality and fairness be damned, along with the state’s constitution, its governor and its courts.

Four justices — Neil Gorsuch, Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito and Brett Kavanaugh — had previously signaled support for this idea. One more justice would provide a majority to give state legislatures absolute control of electoral votes in presidential elections.

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The Supreme Court is poised to cut the heart out of majority rule (Original Post) Nevilledog Jul 2022 OP
Gee! SCOTUS wouldn't do anything UNCONSTITUTIONAL... dchill Jul 2022 #1
The Have. And They Will Again. The_Counsel Jul 2022 #3
😉 dchill Jul 2022 #8
Next up. Going back to state legislators picking senators. jimfields33 Jul 2022 #4
I'm going to base all my SCOTUS thinking on... dchill Jul 2022 #9
RWer gawd supersede the USA's Constitution. . . Lovie777 Jul 2022 #2
This case + this court, equals anxiety for the next year In It to Win It Jul 2022 #5
Until there's a grassroots uprising that really hurts corporate fascists. Magoo48 Jul 2022 #6
We are witnessing the end of our democracy Poiuyt Jul 2022 #7
Indeed. MontanaMama Jul 2022 #10
Indeed. LoisB Jul 2022 #11
And they very explicitly desire that The Mouth Jul 2022 #15
Here is a chance for Roberts to show that he is still in charge. Maybe question everything Jul 2022 #12
Is he up for the challenge? Is he able? I would love to see him exert some control/influence over liberalla Jul 2022 #17
This is right in his wheelhouse Bettie Jul 2022 #20
Where have you been? flashman13 Jul 2022 #13
Fascists move fast when they think they've won Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #14
So... lonely bird Jul 2022 #16
This terrifies me. I am going to dig into this and learn everything I can. This is moving quickly liberalla Jul 2022 #18
And who doesn't think that they will rule against Bettie Jul 2022 #19
This Terrifies me as I bet it does Cha Jul 2022 #21

jimfields33

(15,769 posts)
4. Next up. Going back to state legislators picking senators.
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:39 PM
Jul 2022

I can see that happening in the next decade. The court seems to want the country functioning as it was during the signing.

dchill

(38,472 posts)
9. I'm going to base all my SCOTUS thinking on...
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 02:17 PM
Jul 2022

Alito reaching back to a 16th century witch-hunter for legal precedent.

Lovie777

(12,232 posts)
2. RWer gawd supersede the USA's Constitution. . .
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 12:57 PM
Jul 2022

Red states will not honor their voter's votes when they don't vote for the RWer's choice. Red states voters will not count, sounds like a dictatorship. Red states - dictatorship, Blue states - democracy. Freedom vs. no freedom.

Magoo48

(4,705 posts)
6. Until there's a grassroots uprising that really hurts corporate fascists.
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 02:02 PM
Jul 2022

Why should the christofascists stop fucking with us. They hate freedom.

The Mouth

(3,148 posts)
15. And they very explicitly desire that
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 03:07 PM
Jul 2022

Every article about this independent state legislature doctrine includes someone saying 'this isn't a democracy, it's a republic".

They have a dangerous point, because a literal reading is pretty un-democratic, and purposely so.

Article 1, Section 4, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution:
"The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof;"

The second clause will probably be ignored: "but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of choosing Senators."

It says nothing about the courts; I expect SCOTUS to glom onto that, big time.

liberalla

(9,238 posts)
17. Is he up for the challenge? Is he able? I would love to see him exert some control/influence over
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 03:51 PM
Jul 2022

the other radicals. However, I don't know how much power he actually has to influence them, OR, if he has the will to do so.

He seems uncertain, unsure and soft in his 'chief' justice leadership role. He's a good public front for the court, but not a steering force...

** I have nothing specific to base this on. It's just my 'sense' of him and the court dynamics.

Anyway, I would love to see him fill his Chief Justice position and show he is "still in charge" as you said.


Bettie

(16,089 posts)
20. This is right in his wheelhouse
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 04:12 PM
Jul 2022

I think it suits the goals of the people who put him there, so he'll go along with it.

flashman13

(662 posts)
13. Where have you been?
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 02:44 PM
Jul 2022

Poised to cut out the heart of majority rule??? Bush v. Gore was clearly a minority rule decision. It has been repeated over and over since then.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,328 posts)
14. Fascists move fast when they think they've won
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 02:54 PM
Jul 2022

If the Subversion Court (formerly and formally, the Supreme Court) of the radical Republicans rules in favor of the radical theory, it would perpetuate control of the Senate, Presidency, Judiciary, and likely a majority of state legislatures. The states which are not now under radical Republican control would be chipped away at until they succumb.

The shit storm is not over yet. We managed to get an umbrella up in 2018, and a roof over our heads in 2020. The flood of shit is now coming at us and we need levees quick.

Mid-term elections are critical. We face an existential threat. Again.

liberalla

(9,238 posts)
18. This terrifies me. I am going to dig into this and learn everything I can. This is moving quickly
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 04:08 PM
Jul 2022

into the number one spot on my list of grave concerns (sharing the top spot with Jan. 6 coup accountability).

Bettie

(16,089 posts)
19. And who doesn't think that they will rule against
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 04:11 PM
Jul 2022

the constitution here?

I think we all know how they are going to rule. It is ridiculously predictable.

Cha

(297,154 posts)
21. This Terrifies me as I bet it does
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 04:40 PM
Jul 2022

all of us who cherish our Democracy.💙

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