"He also posted racist rants on snapchat."

[people]

A former classmate of Crimo says "'. . . Crimo also posted racist rants on Snapchat “to the point where I unfollowed him on Snapchat. . .'” the ex-classmate said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/highland-park-shooting-suspects-littered-red-flags-rcna36766



I thought there was no indication that Crimo was motivated by hate?

[Ocelot II]

1. He seems to have been motivated by hate for everybody.

He may have had racist attitudes, but he attacked white people in an affluent white town. This guy was seriously messed up - not legally insane, but definitely messed up.

[Johnny2X2X]

6. He attacked a suburb that is the largest Jewish neighborhood in the state

And more than just having a large Jewish population, it's known for Jewish pride, it's the place in Chicago where you'd go if you wanted to find Jewish people.

He attacked a town known for being mostly Democratic, and known for being the center for Judaism in the great Chicago area.

[Ocelot II]

11. Could have been. According to today's news,

he'd headed to Madison right after the shooting, intending to do some more shooting there, but then turned back to the Chicago area where he was arrested. No info yet about who he'd wanted to attack in Madison, or why. Also, he's from the Highland Park area. Did he just hate everybody in the town, or specifically Jewish people in the town? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/highland-park-shooting-robert-crimo-iii-who-is/

[BradAllison]

15. It was also his own

You're not wrong, but it's also not rare for a person to attack their own hometown, unlike the Buffalo shooter who drove well out of his way to attack a poor minority community.

[Demsrule86]

24. And he is on camera visiting synagogues and casing them IMHO.

[Nevilledog]

9. He was sizing up a synagogue

Link to tweet

Tweet text:

Louis Keene
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I spoke to the security director at Central Avenue Synagogue, who kept a watchful eye on suspected shooter Robert Crimo when he showed up to the Chabad earlier this year.

It was the last day of Passover — same as the 2019 Chabad of Poway shooting.

forward.com
'He was definitely sizing up the synagogue'
The suspect in July 4 mass shooting in Highland Park visited a local Chabad synagogue during Passover.
11:27 AM · Jul 5, 2022

[ARPad95]

26. He even wore a yarmulke to blend in, but failed to since security questioned him and made him leave.

ITA he was casing the HP synagogue on April 23rd, just 2.5 months before his "7-4" killing spree.

[Johnny2X2X]

2. It's getting ridiculous

The press is bending over backwards to not call this what it is, it's a wave of Right Wing Donald Trump motivated terrorists.

Reminds me of this:

[jimfields33]

4. Read number 1. Says it all.

[Kingofalldems]

35. Doesn't mention he was a Trump supporter.

Trumpers are seriously messed up, don't you think?

[canuckledragger]

3. They only say that when it's yet another one of their own.

conservatives area a violent-natured lot.

[Reader Rabbit]

5. How many of his victims were Jewish?

There have been several reports that he "sized up" a synagogue a few months before this attack. Antisemitism might have been part of his motivation.

[Johnny2X2X]

7. It's no coincidence

https://www.jta.org/2022/07/05/united-states/what-you-need-to-know-about-highland-park-the-very-jewish-chicago-suburb-rattled-by-july-4-shooting

[people]

8. How many of his victims . . .?

We don't know who were the 25 people who were shot, in addition to those who died, were jewish and he also probably didn't know specifically who he as shooting at. You can't tell if people are jewish or not.

[Effete Snob]

29. The definition of a "hate crime" hinges on the victims' perceived race, ethnicity, etc.

In order for it to meet the definition, the shooter had to be targeting victims on the basis of their perceived religion, in this instance.

[Demsrule86]

25. The two year old and his parents were definitely Jewish...this is an area one would got to if they

wanted to massacre Jews citizens as it I think the largest Jewish area around.

[Effete Snob]

10. "I thought there was no indication that Crimo was motivated by hate?"

Are you saying his former classmates, who are familiar with what he said on Snapchat, said he wasn't motivated by hate?

Or are you saying that someone else, who is not his former classmate and is not familiar with what he said on Snapchat, said he wasn't motivated by hate?

Was he targeting any particular group?

[Demsrule86]

20. He a was visiting local synagogues.

[Effete Snob]

22. That's not really my question

The OP is confusing two things:

1. What the police knew at a very early point in having arrested him.

2. What other people are saying later on.

It's kind of silly to say "But the police said he wasn't motivated by hate" on the basis of information the police obviously had not even heard about, much less investigated, at the time they made an early statement about what they knew so far.

Aside from which, and I haven't checked the specific statute in that state, hate crimes are generally violent crimes which are directed against a particular victim or victims on the basis of their personal characteristics such as race, religion, etc.. My understanding is that this guy shot people indiscriminately.

Someone might be a racist, a bigot, and all kinds of things, but if they then go and shoot a bunch of people at random, that doesn't make it a hate crime.

[Demsrule86]

23. Are you serious? Of course it is a hate crime. He cased nearby synagogues.

It is a Jewish area...this murderous thug was photographed with the Pepe the frog shit...



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"Someone might be a racist, a bigot, and all kinds of things, but if they then go and shoot a bunch of people at random, that doesn't make it a hate crime."

Seriously? right-wing rhetoric...they can hold racist views and all but of course if they shoot a bunch of people, it is not a hate crime? This was a Jewish area. I used live near there.

[Effete Snob]

27. Yes, he was a RW anti-semite

https://www2.illinois.gov/sites/cdhc/resources/Pages/What-Is-a-Hate-Crime.aspx

In the simplest terms, a hate crime must include both “hate” and a "crime." The term "hate" can be misleading. When used in a hate crime law, the word "hate" does not mean rage, anger, or general dislike. In this context “hate” means bias against people or groups with specific characteristics that are defined by the law.

At the federal level, hate crime laws include crimes committed on the basis of the victim’s perceived or actual race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, or disability.

The hate crime law in Illinois includes crimes committed on the basis of the victim’s perceived or actual race, color, creed, religion, ancestry, gender, sexual orientation, physical or mental disability, or national origin of an individual or group of individuals

A the federal level, the "crime" in hate crime is often a violent crime, such as assault, murder, vandalism, or threats to commit such crimes. It may also cover conspiring or asking another person to commit such crimes, even if the crime was never carried out.

The hate crime law in Illinois also includes some nonviolent crimes, such as theft, stalking or cyberstalking, harassment by telephone, email, or social media, trespassing or damaging property, or disorderly conduct.

Both the Illinois and federal definitions require a crime to be committed on the basis of the victim's perceived characteristics.

I am also familiar with the area and used to spend some time in Evanston, just south of there.

Crimo lived in Highland Park. His father grew up in Highland Park. His grandfather lived in Highland Park. He most likely committed his crime in Highland Park because it was his home, and he was familiar with it. Unlike, say, the shooter in Buffalo who traveled miles to specifically look for victims, Crimo committed this crime, and all of his other activities that brought him into prior contact with the Highland Park police because he lived there. If this was some kid in New Jersey who went to, say, certain enclaves in the greater NY area, or even if he had gone from somewhere else in the Chicagoland area to, say, Skokie, then it would be clearer that he was seeking a particular victim demographic, as opposed to simply the place with which he was most personally familiar.

[people]

12. What motivated Crimo

I don't know what motivated him but the police in Highland Park say that there's no evidence he was motivated by racial or religious or other hatred. Obviously, if he posted racist rants he was motivated in part by racism. Who did he rant against on snapchat? I don't know.

[Demsrule86]

21. That is bullshit lies... checked it out.

[maxsolomon]

13. Alienation.

Rampage Shooters attack random people to make Society see their pain. You will hurt like I hurt. What they have in common is alienation.

Crimo III could be motivated by Rascism, Trumpism, Q, or 4Chanism, or all of it, or none of it. It doesn't really matter. The motivation is a just a framework to hang their homicidal rage on.

What matters is keeping semi-automatic firearms out of the hands of alienated young males. Troubled young men whose families know full well are a risk, and are unable to stop. In fact, they frequently enable them.

Over and over again.

[Roland99]

14. Didn't the guardians of the Sandy Hook shooter know he had issues yet they still kept guns??

[maxsolomon]

16. Yes. His mother Nancy.

She enabled him: took him shooting frequently to draw him out of his shell, kept an arsenal in the house. She was his first victim that morning.

His father wasn't in the picture on a daily basis, nor was his brother (i think it was a brother) after a divorce. Both had no clue how to deal with his Autism/Asperger's/Whatever, or Nancy Lanza's irresponsibility.

[Demsrule86]

19. He killed his mother first and Dad was gone.

[Demsrule86]

17. He is a hater. Chose an area with quite

a few Jewish people and cased the local synagogue…not to mention using the racist Froggy in posts.

[Effete Snob]

28. He chose to live in Highland Park?

How did he convince his family to live there for three generations?

https://heavy.com/news/robert-crimo-iii/

An obituary for Crimo’s grandfather, Robert “Bob” Crimo Sr. 88, of Highwood, says that the family has long ties to Highland Park.

The first Robert Crimo was described as a great family man “who was always there for his family” and was survived by his son Bob Jr. and five grandchildren, including Bobby Crimo III. Crimo III’s parents Bob Jr. and Denise were listed as living in Highland Park.

His father ran for mayor of Highland Park and runs a business there.

He had his prior encounters with police in Highland Park. He grew up and went to school there. It's not like he went from where he usually resided to some other place in order to find a particular group of victims.

[Demsrule86]

30. It is a Jewish area. He is a hater so stop making excuses. I posted you information.

[Effete Snob]

31. What "excuses" am I making?

He was a third generation resident of that town. He did not “choose” to be born and raised there.

[Demsrule86]

32. This is a hate crime. And he comes from a hater family too .

[Effete Snob]

36. Bold prediction: you are going to be very disappointed with the prosecutors in this case

[AntiFascist]

18. He also complained about "commies" on his Discord server...

https://unicornriot.ninja/2022/highland-park-shooter-decried-commies-in-discord-chat/

[malaise]

33. Some of us knew this was a hate crime

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216892434