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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy take on indicting tfg,
as much as I'd love to see it happen, is that DOJ and others might be afraid of setting a precedent. Granted there's probably lots of airtight proof that he broke laws while in office, but, still, they may be afraid that repukes and others might jump on the chance to indict a real president via a corrupt AG or someone else.
I'd say damn the torpedoes - full speed ahead.
SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)It sets the precedent that a President is ALWAYS ABOVE THE LAW.
I don't expect him or any of his buddies to be indicted.
I Do expect that someday in the future, a President will get away with something even worse.
AMERICA!!
MOMFUDSKI
(5,411 posts)Should've happened with Nixon and maybe this shit would've never been attempted. Corrupt is corrupt and the law applies to ALL. If not, our democracy is just a fantasy.
Nixon should have been prosecuted. Like you say, the precedent would have been set back then.
Justice matters.
(6,915 posts)Both Republicans. Corrupt.
Rebl2
(13,447 posts)Just saying he should have been prosecuted, but Ford put an end to that possibility unfortunately.
MiniMe
(21,708 posts)Iran Countra was a big deal.
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)2naSalit
(86,308 posts)wyn borkins
(1,109 posts)Forget 'Full Speed Ahead'
And order up 'Ramming Speed'
grumpyduck
(6,221 posts)Alpeduez21
(1,749 posts)they have shown themselves to be incapable of reigning in their most vile thoughts. If it's not understood they will do ANYTHING to get and hold power then I don't know how to convince anyone. The use of power is what will stop repukes it's all they understand. Playing nice or even restrained with them is hurtful in the long run.
PortTack
(32,691 posts)Understands is brute force. THIS
.is no different.
In fact I will venture to further say, if hes not stopped he and the gqp will be further emboldened
Beastly Boy
(9,229 posts)ecstatic
(32,641 posts)Last edited Wed Jul 6, 2022, 08:56 PM - Edit history (1)
And they're willing to sacrifice the entire country and democracy to protect their own jobs (even though it's not guaranteed rethugs won't prosecute them anyway?).
And what about the precedent of attempting a coup with no repercussions? Does that precedent not matter?
grumpyduck
(6,221 posts)All I said was that maybe that's what they're thinking. IOW, a wild-ass guess on my part.
onecaliberal
(32,775 posts)Either no one is against the law, or they are.
delisen
(6,042 posts)We have to engage and win
Samrob
(4,298 posts)grumpyduck
(6,221 posts)Do the job or get the hell out of office.
Justice
(7,185 posts)whether we get Trump in the end is likely dependent in part on whether others turn on him.
If lots of people who aided and abetted Trump are convicted of their crimes, in the future, others may think twice about being criminally loyal to another corrupt President.
FakeNoose
(32,556 posts)Now we're undoing past mistakes, and setting NEW precedents. It's way harder now than it would have been in 1975.
BigmanPigman
(51,562 posts)All of them must be held accountable.
duckworth969
(600 posts)This opinion piece by Jamelle Bouie is a great read.
Not specifically about Trump indictment but made same excellent points about what could be done by Congress to keep him and his henchmen from ever being elected again, force the resignations of all involved in the conspiracy, etc.
Heres a sample:
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid and comfort to the enemies thereof.
[italics mine]
At the very least, this removes Chump, over a hundred Repubics and their toadies from office now and forever.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/01/opinion/dobbs-roe-supreme-court.html
No paywall
https://archive.ph/7ap1q
former9thward
(31,925 posts)For that section to be in effect would require a conviction of a charge of insurrection. Nobody has been charged with that.
EndlessWire
(6,453 posts)They are setting up to do it again. If not the Midterms, then 2024. Doing nothing just says, oh, go ahead, we don't care.
Organizing a coup, inciting a riot in support thereof, and hoping your VP or the Speaker gets hung, is heinous. If anything deserves a prosecution, this is it. If we don't see Trump indicted for this, then, why bother with anything else?
This, maybe it will destabilize the government, is sheer nonsense. And, why isn't any consideration of how the rest of us feel about our institutions being corrupted given to this matter? Garland better not let us down. Get the ducks lined up and start the process. We are running out of time.
GOTV!