I still believe she will be Madam President

[867-5309.]

The 2024 fight will be tough as will 2028. But it's my belief if Joe runs again, he will win, opening the door for her in 2028. And if Joe decides not to run in 2024, she will be our nominee.


Ladies and Gentleman, the First Female President of the United States of America (imo)

[onecaliberal]

1. LOVE LOVE LOVE!

[867-5309.]

3. Same!

[wyn borkins]

2. A Most Excellent And Worthy Thought (n/t)

[wryter2000]

4. My dream

A woman from Oaktown as president. She was born at the hospital where I used to work.

[mvd]

5. It's indeed nice to know we'd be in good hands if something happened to the President

K&R

[maxsolomon]

6. I hope you're correct.

I don't trust the voters of this nation at all.

[Haggard Celine]

7. I don't either.

I'd like to see her and Buttigieg serve as President, but some things will have to change to make that possible. The way things are going now, though, I'm not optimistic.

[jaxexpat]

50. I don't trust the folks in red states and locales to handle ballots.

Much less, do I trust them to count them accurately. There are reasons, uninvestigated ones, ignored ones, hidden ones, that Hillary "lost" and they're all in red country. It will require a heretofore unseen unity of progressives to demand (and remand) the effort needed to unearth the facts of the last 50 years in their unambiguous totality. They'll need to carry their lunch as well; it'll take some time.

Why is it so hard? Because it's hard to get criminals to investigate their paymasters or themselves.

[Fiendish Thingy]

8. As qualified as the VP is, she has low favorability ratings, which GOP would exploit

Harris’s favorability (not job approval) ratings are hovering around 40%, right about where HRC’s were in 2016.

This leaves her extremely vulnerable to GOP attacks- imagine her opponent, FOX, and assorted Russian Facebook trolls coming after her…

Most polls show Harris losing definitively to Trump, and running neck and neck with DeSantis.

As much as American needs and deserves a woman as president, Harris is far from a sure bet to win if she runs.

[Bettie]

10. We will never have a woman as president

misogyny is even more deeply ingrained than racism and she has both against her.

She'd be a great president. She's smart, tough, and understands both government and the law.

Fact is though, ANY nominee on our side is vulnerable to GOP attacks, because they just make shit up and the media obediently repeats (without question) anything they claim.

FOX, Russian Facebook trolls, etc. they will come after anyone who is our nominee. Anyone.

So, I guess we'll have another old white man, over and over until the end of time....because all women end up being "that woman" from the phrase "I'm open to a woman as president, but not THAT woman".

[Fiendish Thingy]

16. We shall see - it's possible the first woman president could be a Republican

But regardless, at some point I think Dems will nominate another woman, and she will be elected.

When that will happen depends on a lot of variables, including who the candidate is, the state of the nation, the motivation of the voters, and the existence of free and fair elections.

We have qualified candidates a plenty.

[cherish44]

19. Didn't Hillary win the popular vote quite handily?

I think we'll definitely have a woman president, probably in my lifetime and I'm 55. Yes I'm an optimist. (ok not an optimist at the moment but I do think a woman will be president someday) And I agree lots of people are very intimidated by strong women.

[MrsCoffee]

20. Yet Hillary won by over 3 million votes.

Not buying your negativity.

[Doc Sportello]

23. Hillary lost

The winner of the presidential election is determined by the electoral college. Hillary won the popular vote but lost the electoral college. That's not negative, just factual.

[Mr.Bill]

26. Thanks.

Probably no one here knew that.

[Doc Sportello]

29. When someone writes that Hillary won the election

They are doing the same thing dump does when he says he won. I'm not ok with that.

Let's see what emoji I can use. Here we go:

[MrsCoffee]

49. OH fuck that noise.

She won the fucking popular vote by over 3 million votes was my point.

For all of the people don't like her negativity crap spouted here.

[Bettie]

51. Winning the popular vote and losing the election

is a thing that happens a lot more than any of us are comfortable with.

And, given the new case the supreme court just took, it's likely to become the norm.

Or they'll just skip counting the votes in states with R legislatures.

[delisen]

59. Clinton won the popular vote, so did Gore I am ok with that.

I am not ok with an electoral college. Until now I put up with it.

Now that my human rights have been stripped away under false pretenses I have lost confidence in both the Supreme Court and the Electoral College. One must be redesigned, the other must be abolished.

When government loses the consent of the governed it has lost its ability to govern unless it wants to govern without consent and through force.

Alito’s court of 4 men and a woman is not going to be able to corral, imprison or kill or even cow the millions of Americans who believe in their right to self-determination and who believe that their Constitution guarantees this right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

[StevieM]

27. It is also factual that James Comey repeatedly destroyed her campaign.

Without his shenanigans, HRC would have soundly defeated Trump.

[Doc Sportello]

31. So you're saying she lost

Which is what I pointed out.

And saying "if this hadn't happened" is not a fact. That's speculation.

[StevieM]

33. It seems unreasonable to doubt the dramatic effect that Comey had on that race.

You could see her poll numbers substantilly shift whenever he pulled one of his stunts.

[delisen]

63. Russia won. Government except for Sec of State did not tell us about Russia

I believe that was the wrong call. We needed the heads up on Russia but McConnell won that fight.

We did not have a woman in leadership in the Senate or in the Executive Branch. We will not survive as a Democratic Republic unless we all get on board with Equality.

[Fiendish Thingy]

41. Well, sure, if the electoral college is abolished before 2024...

Then Democrats will hold the White House for the rest of eternity.

[colorado_ufo]

36. Very smart, very capable, still lacking in experience.

I am glad that Biden keeps her close, to learn. She lacks experience in the international arena and the politics of DC. She will get there, but it will take time. I don't think 2024 is enough time.

[Auggie]

39. Bull. She already has eclipsed Barack Obama in experience.

[uponit7771]

67. The fact this has to be even said on a democratic forum relates the up hill battle women have ...

... in US politics even among progressives.

Democratic party isn't as progressive in this area as we need to be.

[Novara]

9. I hate to say it but I think she won't get there with an election

I don't think America will vote for a woman, period. If she assumes the presidency I think it will be because Biden can't continue, not that I am hoping for that. Not at all. If that happens and she does an exceptional job, she could be elected when she runs again. But not if she simply runs to replace or succeed Biden. America is way too misogynist to vote for a woman.

I don't understand why she didn't get more support during the primary. She was the candidate I wanted for the nomination. I thought Biden was too old and too conciliatory. But once he became the "only viable candidate" to beat the orange motherfucker, I was totally in his corner.

I can't say whether or not I want him to run in 2024. Depends on who he is up against. That's two years away and that's an eternity in politics. A lot can happen.

[Kali]

13. if repukes can get turned around (who voted for Nixon?)

Liz Cheney could get there. and that is a pretty frightening thought. but it sure is what she is aiming for.

[delisen]

24. America did vote for a woman. Why would you consider that an isolated event?

Vote Democratic female in Federal, state and local elections. Get female Democratic presidents and judges. Get social equality and
justice. Save our children. Save planet.

[Novara]

28. Not really.

I am sure you heard of the many Dem voters who sat out 2016 because they couldn't vote for either one. Maybe if they sucked it up and voted for Hillary we would never be in this clusterfuck.


America is not ready to vote for a woman as president.

[Marcuse]

40. Most European-American women did not vote for a woman as president.

Privilege trumped sisterhood.

[delisen]

57. We are women. Dividing us is to support patriarchy which divides to conquer.

Where were the votes of men? You want to highlight how your “European men” voted ? 62% that is a national disgrace.

Imagine if you could have broken off some of that vote in those battleground states.

Women can,t keep doing all the heavy lifting.

[Marcuse]

64. Those men are lost; and it is minority women that are doing the heavy lifting.

[delisen]

65. Convenient for the patriarchalists that "minority" women cannot win elections

So men are lost and can’t be recruited to do the right thing in voting, “European women” don’t do enough even they far surpass those lost boys in voting for justice, and “minority” women do the heavy lifting but they are too few in number to win elections on their own.

In other words nothing can change and this new category of “European women” are to blame for the failure to achieve a just society. Sounds like a patriarchalist wet dream: Living in a mean, unjust world and there is nothing I can do about it except point out there is a big bunch of women that need to be blamed.

Well the Four Horseman of the Apocalypse and their Handmaid came gunning for us women last month. They came for women, all women, not minority women, or brown women, or black women or. white women, or or Native American women or Asian women; not Jewish women, or Christian women, or Islamic or Buddhist women, or atheist or agnostic women, or old women, or young women, or girls, or any other single group. . They came for everyone of us, and all of us women.

United we stand, divided we may fall. So let’s place blame where it belongs, with the group in power and that group is not women.

[Marcuse]

70. Harris (or any Dem) will need more than Clinton's 42% of the European-American female vote to win

and Clinton won the popular vote by 3M. Biden got 46%. We need numbers in the expanding electorate and we won’t get them from the group invested in the continuation of privilege, the promise of which is all most members of that group may have.

[BannonsLiver]

11. I doubt it.

[TheProle]

52. Same.

[Raine]

66. Agree nt

[TygrBright]

12. From your keyboard to the Divine Monitor! n/t

[Emile]

14. AOC has my support.

[panfluteman]

21. AOC Sure Has What It Takes to Be President, IMO!

She's phenomenally smart, and an excellent debater and political strategist. I don't think the time is right for her yet, but I do see her launching her bid for the White House when the time is right. By that time, perhaps America will not be such a misogynistic nation, and that the younger generation, which is inherently more democratic and egalitarian, would be in the ascendancy. AOC's ascension to congressional office is one of the most inspiring American success stories of our times. AOC! AOC!

[MrsCoffee]

22. roflmao

[Emile]

30. So I take it you wouldn't vote for her if she was the nominee?

[MrsCoffee]

37. You can take whatever you want from my laughter.

Just don't expect to be right.

[Emile]

38. I try not to laugh at democrats.

[MrsCoffee]

69. But sometimes I laugh at what seem to be silly ideas to me.

Maybe she will have done something and have some experience by the time she is old enough to run.

We'll see.

[Emile]

73. but why can't you answer if you would vote for her if she

was the nominee?

[MrsCoffee]

74. Who says I can't answer?

It's not like it's even a remote possibility at this moment in time. Just because you think you have some gotcha moment, doesn't mean I'm gonna play your game.

[Emile]

75. I don't play that gotcha game.

It's just that laughter is a form of sneering. Look it up. I don't understand why we would be laughing at a young star in the democratic party.

[MrsCoffee]

76. I wasn't laughing at her.

I've already explained that.

Yet you keep on trying.

[Emile]

77. So you are laughing at me for

supporting AOC.

[MrsCoffee]

78. Oh my.

Seriously?

How many times you gonna do this?

I was laughing at the idea that she would be the first woman president since she isn't even old enough to run yet, has very little experience, and we have women with tons of experience ready to fill that role. See my avatar for one.

Why try to drag this out and make it something it's not? Surely you understood several posts ago.

[Emile]

79. She will be old enough for the next election. We have had

many presidents with little to none political experience. Actually you are the one dragging it out. I like to think if she is the nominee in the future that you would not be so judgemental and vote for her. Have a nice day.

[MrsCoffee]

80. She will not be old enough for the next election.

I guess she technically could run since she turns 35 a couple weeks before the election.

Not sure why anyone would expect someone so young and with so little experience to run in 2024.

[Emile]

81. But she will be old enough.

She will turn 35 years old a few days before the election. As long as you turn 35 before the January inauguration you are eligible.

[obamanut2012]

15. mY #1 CHOICE IN 2020!

[Polybius]

17. She's not getting the nomination in either 2024 (if Biden doesn't run) or 2028

I'll obviously support whoever gets it though.

[tinrobot]

18. Not my first choice, but if she were the nominee, I'd be happy to vote for her.

[Lucinda]

25. ❤️ ✿❧🌿❧✿ ❤️

[melm00se]

32. My wife pointed out that

save for the last couple of weeks, Kamala Harris has been pretty absent from the public stage.

[Bucky]

43. Agree. If the Biden WH was smart, they'd have her out scoring easy PR points

I assume the don't want to undercut Biden himself as a leader, so they won't put the Veep out front for many things. But that's incredibly short-sighted. A good leader knows how to cultivate future leadership talent, grooming a successor and whatnot. A 79-year-old president in a threatened republic can't afford not to do this.

[Sympthsical]

34. Severely doubt it

Her numbers aren't great and unlikely to improve. You don't start a battle on a weak footing.

One thing that bothers me is what happened in 2020. She was my first choice in the primary. However, her campaign staff and structure ended up being a giant mess and imploded before the primaries even got started. And that problem seems to have carried into the VP's office with her (There are plenty of stories. Just none that will ever be posted here).

It's disappointing, because I really liked her and thought she would be a strong contender for 2020. But there's too much going on behind the scenes for whatever reason, and we're in too delicate a national situation to suffer it.

Whoever we nominate, no matter the year, has to be getting a jump from a strong foundation.

[tiredtoo]

35. The right wing has already started

their efforts to destroy her. They fear all strong women.

[Javaman]

42. Hope so. she was always my first choice. :) nt

[joemacdawson]

44. It is a tough call. Not that she's unqualified.

As a Canadian, I can’t discern whether the sexism or racism will be a stronger factor. Together, it’s a pretty powerful and predictive combination. The electoral college system doesn’t help either. I’d suggest that gender is more of a factor than ethnicity.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

45. I still believe the first female president will be a Republican.

[Elessar Zappa]

54. Republicans won't let a woman get through their primary.

No way.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

60. If enough Republicans behind the scenes want a president who's not Trump, they'll pick a woman.

[question everything]

46. Sitting V.P.s do not get elected. The only exception was Bush Sr. because many were

hoping for a 3rd Reagan term. And he lasted only one term.

[SpankMe]

47. It's a cool thought, but...

She has a reputation of being difficult. She lost some staff early on in the administration because of it.

I do like her and I like all of her policies. But in interviews she comes across as if she's high. I've seen her give glib, over simplistic answers to questions about Russia and Ukraine in some interviews. She's an easy target for Republicans.

We have an embarrassment of riches for potential candidates for '28 and beyond (or for '24 if Joe decides not to run): Stacey Abrams, Katie Porter, Corey Booker, Beto O'rourke, Pete Buttigieg. I'd even go with Sherrod Brown if he had a bit more charisma. All of these could start elevating their public images starting now and be contenders by '24, and certainly by '28.

Newsome would be good, to. But he's kind of a dick personally and he'd get beaten over the head by Republicans over his more progressive record.

[dixiechiken1]

48. How about we get through 2022 midterms first?

[Samrob]

55. I would love to see Madam VP replace Clarence Thomas on SCOTUS after he is impeached or forced to

resign. I can dream, can't I?

[dixiechiken1]

56. ABSOLUTELY!

I'd love to see that, too! 😊

[BlueIdaho]

72. He doesn't have to be forced out...

He just has to die. But to your point - I’d love to see her on the Supreme Court!

[Raine]

53. Unlikely nt

[Politicub]

61. KICK!

[mcar]

62. Yes!

She is doing a fantastic job, against ridiculous odds. Fck the haters. Madam VP rocks!

[uponit7771]

68. K&R, the sexist and racist post dismissing of her altogether for other less qualified white male ...

... candidates will mud stomp turnout if she doesn't get a fair shake.

[WarGamer]

71. IMHO... and it's just my opinion.

I believe that if Joe decides NOT to run...

We'll see Newsom, Buttigieg and Kamala step up...

But don't count out Hillary.

I think she'd love to FINISH THE JOB from 2016.

And NO ONE deserves it more than her. Get "Big Dog" back in the White House...

After that... bring in the young guns.

[867-5309.]

83. Hillary would be near the bottom of my list

2024 should be very winnable, particularly if TFG is the nominee. She brings baggage that makes it less winnable.

[Rob H.]

82. The dox-happy army of insanely toxic Harris supporters on Twitter

could prove to be a serious liability for her.