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PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 09:28 AM Jul 2022

It's Time to Stop Living the American Scam

Excellent article by Tim Kreider, worth the read.

Ten years ago, I wrote an essay called “The Busy Trap,” about the curse of “busyness” that seemed endemic at the time. The treadmill had been imperceptibly increasing its speed for a while, and people were nervously starting to notice. As happens with a lot of unavoidable evils, they tried to rebrand their frantic busyness as a virtue. “Busy — so busy, crazy busy,” was the answer you got whenever you asked how they were. I came out, in my essay, as anti-busy; I advocated idling, daydreaming, hanging out and goofing off. My conclusion: “Life is too short to be busy.”

I guess a lot of other people had been thinking the same thing. For a few days, that essay was the thing everyone linked to, reposted and emailed. Other writers got paid to write responses to it. Someone even “debunked” it, as though it were a fake Bigfoot film. Entrepreneurial self-help gurus cited it and invited me to conferences. “The Colbert Report” even called, but I was unreachable in the Idaho panhandle at my friend Carolyn’s anniversary party, for which my agent has never really forgiven me. (Meg, I am sorry; Carolyn, I blame you; Mr. Colbert, I am still available.)

A decade later, people aren’t trying to sell busyness as a virtue anymore, not even to themselves. A new generation has grown to adulthood that’s never known capitalism as a functioning economic system. My generation, X, was the first postwar cohort to be downwardly mobile, but millennials were the first to know it going in. Our country’s oligarchs forgot to maintain the crucial Horatio Alger fiction that anyone can get ahead with hard work — or maybe they just dropped it, figuring we no longer had any choice. Through the internet, we could peer enviously at our neighbors in civilized countries, who get monthlong vacations, don’t have to devote decades to paying for their college degrees, and aren’t terrified of going broke if they get sick. To young people, America seems less like a country than an inescapable web of scams, and “hard work” less like a virtue than a propaganda slogan, inane as “Just say no.”

The pandemic was the bomb cyclone of our discontents; it not only gave all us nonessential workers an experience of mandatory sloth — which, for many, turned out to be not altogether unpleasant — but also dredged up a lakeful of long-submerged truths. It turns out that millions of people never actually needed to waste days of their lives sitting in traffic or pantomime “work” under managerial scrutiny eight hours a day. We learned that nurses, cashiers, truckers and delivery people (who’ve always been too busy to brag about it) actually ran the world and the rest of us were mostly useless supernumeraries. The brutal hierarchies of work shifted, for the first time in recent memory, in favor of labor, and the outraged whines of former social Darwinists were a pleasure to savor.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/07/opinion/work-busy-trap-millennials.html?campaign_id=39&emc=edit_ty_20220709&instance_id=66092&nl=opinion-today®i_id=144275770&segment_id=98081&te=1&user_id=9300c9e86795a856411ac8bf084cff8b
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It's Time to Stop Living the American Scam (Original Post) PatSeg Jul 2022 OP
K&R 2naSalit Jul 2022 #1
Well, maybe, hopefully, Americans will get back to having hobbies again... Hugin Jul 2022 #2
Often people tend to forget PatSeg Jul 2022 #32
Retirement is going to be a nightmare for most 50 and below. jimfields33 Jul 2022 #3
Good reason to have Unions make a come back.. multigraincracker Jul 2022 #10
Even if unions come back fully, it's too late for pensions for the middle generation jimfields33 Jul 2022 #26
Many boomers got left out in the cold PatSeg Jul 2022 #33
Sure, but Boomers are still wealthier as a group Mariana Jul 2022 #45
I suppose PatSeg Jul 2022 #46
K & R Thank You for Posting This Stuart G Jul 2022 #4
Thanks for this. Novara Jul 2022 #5
You're welcome PatSeg Jul 2022 #34
I am grateful Novara Jul 2022 #36
40 hours is a pipe dream Skittles Jul 2022 #37
The only time I work that many hours is if the workload is so heavy I can't avoid it. Novara Jul 2022 #39
I work 12+ hour nights four nights a week Skittles Jul 2022 #40
Been saying this for years, and I'm a Boomer, not an X-er. malthaussen Jul 2022 #6
I have been wanting to research this phenomenon Redleg Jul 2022 #7
LOL, you're work-life balance is insufficient. malthaussen Jul 2022 #27
This goes under the heading of "The Culture of Capitalism." ariadne0614 Jul 2022 #8
Just bookmarked it to listen to while exercising. Farmer-Rick Jul 2022 #11
You're welcome. It's an eye-opener. n/t ariadne0614 Jul 2022 #14
This was in the NY Times? Farmer-Rick Jul 2022 #9
This is a great piece! Thanks for posting it. Native Jul 2022 #12
One of the reasons I decided to be self-employed MineralMan Jul 2022 #13
The fiction that working hard will be rewarded is a fiction. My wife was a top biller at a top radio Pepsidog Jul 2022 #15
As a Former ClearChannel Employee... LoCo Cat Lady Jul 2022 #23
You know then exactly what I'm talking about. They gave my wife a decent exit package but had they Pepsidog Jul 2022 #24
I Have Found that the Best Reps LoCo Cat Lady Jul 2022 #28
Thanks. It's true if you can survive and thrive in radio sales then most everything else looks easy. Pepsidog Jul 2022 #30
My favorite old cajun saying: world wide wally Jul 2022 #16
K & R ..... plus a trimmed URL if anyone is having issues, plus an archived version Celerity Jul 2022 #17
Good writer. edbermac Jul 2022 #18
Fabulous insight. cilla4progress Jul 2022 #19
Saw this coming with the dawn of the "Information Age". jaxexpat Jul 2022 #20
When beepers came in (remember them?) I knew it was gonna get bad. malthaussen Jul 2022 #29
I was assigned a "beeper" at about the same time in my career....... jaxexpat Jul 2022 #31
I don't accept calls after 6pm Sympthsical Jul 2022 #35
You reminded me I was expected to be on call 24/7 Novara Jul 2022 #38
Keep your nose to the grindstone snd Captain Zero Jul 2022 #21
I work for a school district that forced me into the office everyday even though there were zero onecaliberal Jul 2022 #22
You forgot telephone sanitizers Warpy Jul 2022 #25
He didn't mention "owners", who don't even need... Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2022 #41
It certainly suggests our system needs a serious redesign Warpy Jul 2022 #42
It is really disturbing PatSeg Jul 2022 #43
KNR and bookmarking. For later. niyad Jul 2022 #44

Hugin

(37,848 posts)
2. Well, maybe, hopefully, Americans will get back to having hobbies again...
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 10:02 AM
Jul 2022

Getting some of the sense of self satisfaction it brings. Introverts are way ahead of the pack on this and the rest are going to have to relearn how.

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
32. Often people tend to forget
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 05:49 PM
Jul 2022

what they are working for in the first place - children they hardly see, homes that they just bathe and sleep in, possessions they don't have time to enjoy, vehicles that depreciate, and a retirement that they may never see. Many try to buy themselves out of their discontent by buying more 'stuff' that requires more upkeep that they don't have time for. It can become a vicious cycle.

 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
3. Retirement is going to be a nightmare for most 50 and below.
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 10:06 AM
Jul 2022

With pensions pretty much gone, 401K accounts are ok if you contribute a lot of the salary and hope the company matches which isn’t always guaranteed. Not to mention most live paycheck to paycheck. Social security doesn’t pay enough to live on. Yep retirement will be dismal for most unfortunately.

multigraincracker

(37,651 posts)
10. Good reason to have Unions make a come back..
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 11:28 AM
Jul 2022

30 and out and I was gone at 52. Did hard physical and dangerous work and it paid off for me. Over 20 years now of fun. Have not missed one meal in all of those years.

 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
26. Even if unions come back fully, it's too late for pensions for the middle generation
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 01:01 PM
Jul 2022

The boomers are the rich among the groups. Many opportunities that are on longer there. Glad it worked out for you. Enjoy!

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
33. Many boomers got left out in the cold
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 06:10 PM
Jul 2022

I've known fellow boomers who worked for the same company for years, planning on a secure retirement and then the company went under and took their pensions with it. Also as they got older, it became harder to find another decent job. My parents' generation as a rule did far better than we did. That was before the age of rampant corporate raiders, private equity firms, and the erosion of unions. It feels like it all really started going sour with Reagan.

Many of my parents friends really did have the same job for 20 or 30 years. Now I see that primarily with government and civil service jobs.

Mariana

(15,626 posts)
45. Sure, but Boomers are still wealthier as a group
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 10:34 AM
Jul 2022

than any of the other generations. Obviously, that does not imply that every Boomer is wealthy.

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
46. I suppose
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 10:54 AM
Jul 2022

but most of the boomers I know are struggling and have been for many years. There was a time when my parents' generation was the elderly one and as a group they were wealthier than their children and grandchildren.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
5. Thanks for this.
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 10:08 AM
Jul 2022

I'm lucky to work for a small company that respects employees' need for personal time outside of work. I remember when I first started I had a scheduled home repair but didn't have any PTO yet. I offered to make up the time but my boss said, "Just go. Don't worry about it. Do what you need to do." And that has remained a constant. There are plenty of weeks where I don't clock 40 hours but I'm paid for it anyway (I'm salaried). They know I'll work extra when needed. Nobody sweats it.

The pandemic made it even more clear that it isn't necessary to put in 110% all the time. People have a different perspective now. It just isn't worth kicking your ass hard for work all the time anymore. Was it ever worth it? I believe we were fooled into thinking it was. Now we know better.

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
34. You're welcome
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 06:12 PM
Jul 2022

You really are lucky to have such an understanding employer. It feels like that is pretty rare these days.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
36. I am grateful
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 07:19 PM
Jul 2022

I am underpaid, but the work/life balance is the best I've ever experienced. Knowing that I can take time when needed is a real comfort. I know how lucky I am.

Even so, the pandemic brought a lot of perspective to a lot of people and we just don't kill ourselves over the work anymore.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
39. The only time I work that many hours is if the workload is so heavy I can't avoid it.
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 07:50 PM
Jul 2022

And even then I know it's temporary. Last summer we were crazy insanely busy and there were quite a few 12 hour days. But it was temporary.

I am lucky to work for people who think it's okay if I leave early on an afternoon as long as my work is done well and on time, because I will put in the extra time when needed. And they know that. It balances out. As long as people do quality, on time work, the bosses really don't care if someone is there 35 hours or 50 hours. What's astonishing is that people don't take advantage much. I think most of us know how lucky we are so we don't take advantage. And we've seen that people who do take advantage don't last.

Skittles

(171,710 posts)
40. I work 12+ hour nights four nights a week
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 07:57 PM
Jul 2022

when someone is on vacation on the other shift, I work the entire seven nights which turns it into eleven nights straight, or eighteen nights straight if it's a two week thing

malthaussen

(18,567 posts)
6. Been saying this for years, and I'm a Boomer, not an X-er.
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 10:09 AM
Jul 2022

Glad it brought Mr Kreider his meed of fame and fortune.

The ongoing quest to increase productivity more and more, at any human cost, to me has always been a "test to destruction" carried out by the ownership class against those who work for them. Turns out humans are pretty hard to destruct, and will even make a virtue of their destruction and ask for more.

-- Mal

Redleg

(6,922 posts)
7. I have been wanting to research this phenomenon
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 10:51 AM
Jul 2022

As you said, people tend to see over-work as a virtue. Work-life balance has long been an issue of concern in my field (organizational behavior) and we have made a number of recommendations on how to address the negative impact that over-work has on us. I don't think there has been sufficient attention given to why people choose to engage in this. There are certainly individual differences that influence this but there must also be situational factors that contribute. I need to dig more deeply into the published studies to see where I can make a new contribution. The problem is that I am a bit of a slacker at times.

malthaussen

(18,567 posts)
27. LOL, you're work-life balance is insufficient.
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 01:10 PM
Jul 2022

It does seem to be a real case of American exceptionalism. I recall an anecdote from an American working for a German firm. He came in early, stayed late, and worked through his lunch hour. Eventually his boss came to him, full of concern, and wondered if they were giving him more work than he could handle, since he couldn't do it all during normal work hours.

In the US, everyone works their asses off, which doesn't explain why there are so many assholes around.

It doesn't matter how hard you work, the important thing is to be perceived as working hard. That's how Robert Morse made it in "How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying." Presumably, results do matter somewhat, but considering CEOs can drive their company into bankruptcy and still receive millions of dollars in bonuses, there must be more to it than mere results.

I once took a management lesson that told us, among other things, that if a subordinate finished his work too quickly, or did noticeably more than expected, he was probably cutting corners and should be watched to make sure he was sufficiently attentive.

-- Mal

ariadne0614

(2,174 posts)
8. This goes under the heading of "The Culture of Capitalism."
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 11:22 AM
Jul 2022
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_capitalism
Just this morning, I listened to a Best of the Left bonus episode (#252 The Assumptions of Capitalism Culture). I couldn't get a link to the specific episode, but here's the main podcast link:
https://www.bestoftheleft.com/

We've been given an opportunity to rethink the way things are. I believe our survival depends upon taking it.

Farmer-Rick

(12,667 posts)
9. This was in the NY Times?
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 11:27 AM
Jul 2022

Wow, how times have changed. There was a day when the Times would never publish anything even slightly discouraging about our economic system.

You know the American oligarchs are feeling good and safe when they let the mask slip.

Good luck changing any of this when we allow one person to own so much that $1 billion is 1% of their wealth and our federal government admits to over half a million Americans homeless.

MineralMan

(151,269 posts)
13. One of the reasons I decided to be self-employed
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 11:35 AM
Jul 2022

as a freelance magazine journalist with a couple of side-hustles, was so I could earn as much as I needed working about half-time. Sometimes I had to work longer hours than that, but in spurts, not on a daily basis.

I managed to do that for about 45 years, while being a homeowner and putting away retirement funds. I was lucky, of course, but I partly made my own luck.

What did I get from that? Time. Time to read and expand my knowledge base. Time to relax. Time to go fishing from time to time in the morning when the lakes weren't busy. Time to think.

Do I recommend that way of life? Maybe, but only if you have or can develop a skill set that lets you adjust your work time to suit yourself. if you can, though, you can enrich your own life. You might not become wealthy, of course, but you can manage quite well. If you have the required skill set and can motivate yourself to work hard and smart when you need to work.

Pepsidog

(6,365 posts)
15. The fiction that working hard will be rewarded is a fiction. My wife was a top biller at a top radio
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 11:41 AM
Jul 2022

station and worked 60 hours a week. She made very good money until her privately owned station was sold to Entercom who immediately laid off the top sales people who made the station successful. What the bean counters didn’t realize was many media buys were made not because buyers lived the station but they loved my wife who gave them years of superior service. Those relationships die along with the media buys when that special sales person leaves. Entercom, now Audacy, trades at about $1 a share and has $1.7 billion in debt. CEO David Field took his father’s company that traded at $16 a share and went on a buying spree and loading up on debt. My wife’s station was the best privately owned station in the country and one of the best overall stations. She constantly beat the large radio groups gaining the lions share of local media buys even though they tried to undercut her rates by a lot. She got most buys because her station was very good, spent money on research, and the relationship my wife developed with advertisers media buyers. Audacy will face bankruptcy and it’s all those cutting of the best employees that will have been one major cause.

LoCo Cat Lady

(89 posts)
23. As a Former ClearChannel Employee...
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 12:24 PM
Jul 2022

(prior to them rebranding as iHeart), I worked in the DC market for many years. Our best station sales reps were those who had relationships with the agencies and advertisers. The bean counters have zero concept of those types of relationships because they're answering to the CEO/shareholders. They don't care. I've heard countless reps comment that commissions continue to decline and they're expected to do even more...digital sales, streaming, etc. How much can you dump on a handful of reps in a cluster and expect them to handle?
I had a program director tell me at the time that changes were inevitable and that we either could suck it up or leave. Guess what. I left. And after years of consolidation among the radio groups, radio has ceased to exist as we know it. Voice tracking, no true local talent, homogenized programming. The DJ you hear on your morning show is probably somewhere on the other side of the country and has no idea what's going on regionally.
I will note that Radio One does a good job keeping things local here in the DMV. We all know Donnie Simpson (who has been on the radio since I was in middle school). And there's WTOP (Hubbard) who is decent.
To your point--all of the big radio companies will eventually tank. I hope I live to see it.

Pepsidog

(6,365 posts)
24. You know then exactly what I'm talking about. They gave my wife a decent exit package but had they
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 12:34 PM
Jul 2022

bothered to ask she probably would have made some salary concessions in return for working at home several days but they never asked. She was one of 3 sales people who literally kept the station afloat. I think she threatened the good ol boy network as she spoke her mind. She now works as marketing director for a local HVAC company and loves it. The owner is so happy that he installed a $30,000 HVAC system in our home as a bonus and she has worked there less than a year. She has not only increased his business but taken a huge burden off his shoulders. He understands the value of great employees.

LoCo Cat Lady

(89 posts)
28. I Have Found that the Best Reps
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 01:15 PM
Jul 2022

can sell just about anything. And your wife sounds like one of them! I'm glad she's happy and has a good employer. Congrats on the new HVAC!!
Most of my favorite former reps are now in real estate--DC & Miami.

Pepsidog

(6,365 posts)
30. Thanks. It's true if you can survive and thrive in radio sales then most everything else looks easy.
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 01:43 PM
Jul 2022

Funny you mention what former radio sales reps are doing now. My wife’s company sells high efficiency units that replace older outdated units using bad freon. It’s part of the Energy Star program and offers many tax benefits and government subsidies so it involves direct selling to homeowners who are wary of scams and have already been pestered by solar sales reps so you need a thick skin to sell. Radio reps always had a hard sell and she has hired a couple former radio sales reps who have done very well selling HVAC units. Some sales people at HVAC companies can make up to $300k. Once you make one sale in a neighborhood the referrals roll in from other neighbors who want in on the energy savings, tax rebates, free home wetherization, and direct discounts plus payment for the system through their utility companies monthly bill. As a lawyer I have represented HVAC companies and know they make a lot of money. I didn’t realize selling HVAC could be that lucrative.

cilla4progress

(26,525 posts)
19. Fabulous insight.
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 11:49 AM
Jul 2022

Last edited Sat Jul 9, 2022, 01:32 PM - Edit history (1)

For a long time I, a boomer, noticed something wrong, a disconnect. I thought it was just me - out of step with my country.

Capitalism? Socialism.
American "exceptionalism"? Exclusionism.
Grow grow grow? Stop and smell the roses - tune in turn on drop out.

Whether it's because I was raised by questioners themselves; because I grew up in an era when authority was not presumed; or an amalgam of both...I must say it is somewhat gratifying to find that some of my skepticism was prescient and is now being borne out.

I left an upwardly mobile middle class life after college graduation to follow my heart out west for a life in the mountains and among my beloved horses and other animals.

This was something we boomers did and were encouraged to do by our generation's ethic: we called it an identity search (like a hejira!); back to the land. Subjugating economic values to heart values. And yes, I acknowledge the privilege that was my springboard, and over my career life, have worked - and continue to - to pay it back. Have devoted myself professionally to it, in fact.

I had been sad for my millennial daughter that her generation seemed devoid of a similarly inspiring motive. I think the OP does describe it, though! And she, too, is devoting her time to both fulfilling her heart needs, and helping others achieve theirs!

On edit: we also had the Viet Nam war, draft, as motivators. US government learned their lesson there, I guess. No more draft. Just repeated deployments of enlisted.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
20. Saw this coming with the dawn of the "Information Age".
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 12:05 PM
Jul 2022

When every corporate initiative became dependent on IT people, the space between management and production withered into a wasteland, a no-mans-land of non-productivity. Thus, the time of the temps unfolded, sealing the fate of American manufacture and relegating any notion of the union workplace to a disconcerting quaintness. Like the endearing ravings of an elder uncle whose newspaper delivery was late. Of course, its late, everything is late or not done at all and don't bother to complain or demand because your phone is the monopoly of unsolicited scam calls and duplicated or contradictory text messages from some source which is, at once, infinitely ignorable and desperately important.

malthaussen

(18,567 posts)
29. When beepers came in (remember them?) I knew it was gonna get bad.
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 01:17 PM
Jul 2022

Now an employee was at the beck and call of his boss 24/7, and if you didn't like it, tough. Cell phones make it even worse. We have successfully eliminated any chance for an individual to have "quiet time" by himself unless he willingly and consciously severs himself from all connections -- which is viewed as aberrational behavior.

-- Mal

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
31. I was assigned a "beeper" at about the same time in my career.......
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 02:30 PM
Jul 2022

that I felt comfortable telling my boss to never call me after normal work hours unless it was a real emergency. In my case it was the clients who felt they had me at their beck and call. That was another level of burden thrown to me which insulated my employer from his knowledge of the day-to-day workings of his business. A common situation that was not good for him, me or the company at large.

I remember faxes replacing detailed phone conversation, email replacing faxes (except in the medical field). I retired in the midst of the adaptation to web shared, cloud stored documents of all types. Keeping up with relevant document updating was the biggest challenge. I'm not sure how that got fixed. In fact, I'm pretty sure it isn't fixed entirely.

The software industry plays its own games as it writes its own rules. Program upgrades and revisions which make all their predecessors obsolete is, I suspect, the element which, if it goes forward unregulated, will be the downfall of our western technological society. It has and will continue to condemn long term small businesses to stagnation and/or extinction.

But what do I know? I'm just an old retiree.

Sympthsical

(10,969 posts)
35. I don't accept calls after 6pm
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 06:17 PM
Jul 2022

And I told the employees I oversee that I will never call them after 6pm. That's the deal. If my phone is going off in the evening because of work, there'd better be a dead body involved.

In the two and a half years I've been at my current job, I've only had three calls at weird hours, and they've all been justified.

Otherwise everything goes in an e-mail - not a text. A text creates a kind of illusory urgency of response. People my age (Millennial) get a bit anxious about responding to texts when they come in. I learned when I text someone, they'd think I'm expecting an answer soon-ish.

The nice thing about e-mail is that people generally won't see it unless they're actively looking at their work account. It doesn't create that off-hours anxiety. I totally read and respond to e-mails late at night due to boredom, desire to have the next day be easier, etc. However, I do not expect any kind of reply before 8a or so.

Work is work. Not work is not work. In my experience, most things will keep until the next morning. And if they can't, well, that's why my check is bigger.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
38. You reminded me I was expected to be on call 24/7
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 07:37 PM
Jul 2022

Had a company-issued cell phone that was supposed to be kept on at all times. I was a project manager in an environmental testing lab, not a doctor. It was fucking ridiculous. The owner of the company told us if we didn't work at least 45 hours a week (salaried) we wouldn't get raises.

I think back on that and say FUCK THAT. I'm older, wiser, and have better perspective now. I'd never allow myself to be mistreated like that for an employer now.

At another previous job I remember being seated on a jury for jury duty and using each break to call the office and handle work issues. Gah.

Now? I'm having a hip replaced in the fall and if I am in pain and feeling cranky and don't want to be around people it's OK to work from home. My call. My boss told me to work from home after the surgery for as long as I like. I'm never going to give this up for a job like I described above, even if they did pay me a good deal more. It isn't worth it.

I'm also in the latter part of my career. I am no longer a young kid looking to make an impression. Being excellent at what I do is important, but kicking my ass all the time for the company isn't.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
22. I work for a school district that forced me into the office everyday even though there were zero
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 12:24 PM
Jul 2022

Students on any campuses.

Warpy

(114,615 posts)
25. You forgot telephone sanitizers
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 12:40 PM
Jul 2022

If you haven't read your way through Douglas Adams, do so. There is a lot of cockeyed wisdom in those books.

The phenomenon of "busyness" has been addressed in another way:

Buckeye_Democrat

(15,526 posts)
41. He didn't mention "owners", who don't even need...
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 08:11 PM
Jul 2022

... to know any details about how their businesses operate under our corporate structures.

Most of them only want to know that they're getting an acceptable return on their investment. Then they don't even know whose heads should be put on the chopping blocks when things go sour.

And those people are at the very top of our economic system.

My father was fortunate to work mostly for privately-owned companies, with owners who actually observed all aspects of the operations on a daily basis. Those were the days when good work was more appreciated, whereas my experience with corporate managers is that stroking their egos is rewarded more than actually helping the companies be more profitable.

Warpy

(114,615 posts)
42. It certainly suggests our system needs a serious redesign
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 12:52 AM
Jul 2022

even though I inherited being part of that class and I'm really, really not the type. I did invest in a cannabis operation, if that supplies a little deodorant. And I do care what those C-level weasels are doing in my name. They listen as well as a government lousy with conservatives does.

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
43. It is really disturbing
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 09:00 AM
Jul 2022

that being an efficient, qualified, and loyal worker no longer has much value. I guess that is because we live in a society that only seems to value profits and success is viewed in terms of money. Corporate jobs are often very political and everyone is dispensable.

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