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[duckworth969]

1. Thanks for sharing those links

Good to get news and verification from multiple sources.

[WarGamer]

2. thanks for reading!

It's a shit situation... IMHO, much more dangerous than Cuba in 1962

[pecosbob]

3. The U.S. will fight for Ukrainian independence to the very last Ukrainian

A lot like the way we and the Soviets killed all those Afghanis during our proxy war in the 1980s.

[WarGamer]

4. Not the first time I've heard that expression...

The NYT ran an op-ed IIRC, last week reflecting that thought.

[pecosbob]

5. Noam Chomsky was where I first heard it.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

7. Sounds about right for the guy who made excuses for Pol Pot

and downplayed the Cambodian genocide.

Now he's an apologist for Putin.

Fuck Noam Chomsky.

Slava Ukraini.

[comradebillyboy]

8. +++++++

[Gore1FL]

9. They seem happy we are sending them weapons for their defense.

I am not sure I want U.S. troops on the ground fighting; it involves us only because of it's proximity to NATO and the involvement of of our rival, Russia. I see no reason to immerse ourselves in what would then be an escalating ground war in Europe with nuclear powers.

I am happy to open the collective wallet for them.

[irisblue]

6. Bookmarking

The Taiwanese are carefully watching as well

[Igel]

10. It was reported in late March that Iran was funneling weapons to Russia.

Pulling in arms and vehicles from where they had authority--Syria, for example. Smuggling them across the Black Sea to Russia. Mostly Russian-provided arms, Soviet-era and more recent arms of Russian manufacture.

Iranian-made drones just means that Iran's helping in yet another way. Not that Iran is revealed as being, well, its usual self. (Good news--fewer arms for Yemen.)

[roamer65]

11. Let them lose them in Ukraine.

[Xolodno]

12. Well, Russia has given Iran technology transfers, arms, etc....

to Iran for their efforts in Yemen. And intervened at their request in Syria. So, naturally, they are going to return the favor.

Thus far its been Russia (and to some extent Belarus) vs. the West. Now Moscow is calling in some favors (by the way, you forgot Brazil). But this ignores the worst part, Ukraine is fully mobilized for war....Russia, not so much, they are still using up all the old Soviet era equipment (and to sound, well, callous, why not? Its just sitting there anyway).

And I know this will sound like a broken record and I'll state it again. Sanctions don't work and they work both ways. But I'll add another issue, with so many nations on the US and/or West shit/sanction list, you create a separate economic system of the sanctioned who work together and nullify the sanctions.

For example, the Iran deal under Obama brought them closer. But when Trump dissolved it, it pushed them right back and worse, now they know the USA can not be held at its word. So we basically pissed away at minimum of 20 years of any chance of better relations. Why? Trump was elected "by the people", so they think the US psyche is still not ready.

They will become a nation with nukes, if not already. And what can we do? Not a damn thing. Iran is sanctioned to hell by us already. And Israel can't do shit while its paralyzed with its own internal politics. Good job Bibi.

After WWII, the Soviets created the Cold War...now I'm wondering if we are inadvertently creating Cold War II.

Another eye opening situation, the G7 tries to keep its elite group (briefly the G8 to pacify Yeltsin...but Putin obviously thought it was not worth it), sort of like a rich and wealthy golf club. I read an article not too long ago that the BRIC's were hoping to grow membership (FYI, Iran was one of them looking to join). What does that say to the world?