****1/6 Committee Hearings Day 7, thread FOUR****

[BumRushDaShow]

(THREAD 3 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216916390)


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[NewHendoLib]

1. This former Oath Keeper needs protection

Very courageous, and a rare example of someone who can leave a cult

[IcyPeas]

3. yes, they have guts coming forward.

he said he actually had to "resign".

[Novara]

5. They've been charged with seditious conspiracy

I'm thinking they may not have volunteered to testify unless it helps their sentences.

[SMC22307]

34. Van Tatenhove made the decision to resign, I think he said, over a Holocaust-denying discussion...

at a grocery store in ?Montana.

Damn, he's using "armed insurrection" and slamming Elmer Stewart Rhodes. Insurrection Act was KEY to this whole thing and Rhodes was ready to act. Paramilitary force. Firearms. Explosives. Violence against political leaders.

[crickets]

23. It was the Holocaust Denial that finally made him leave. Good for him. nt

[Johnny2X2X]

71. This is a product of the Right's expert framing of racism the last couple decades

They've become experts with using code words so they technically aren't saying racist things. So you get these people into these groups, start talking about wokism, and inner cities, etc etc Next thing you know, you're hanging out with full on Neo Nazis denying the holocaust.

The Right has flirted with the Far Right for so long, their messages are now indistinguishable. It's all about white supremacy.

[NJCher]

113. OK, but...

I was wondering who the woman behind Ayres was--the woman in the light blue suit. I wondered because she had a sneer on her face as Ayres spoke. As I watched her, I said to myself who the hell is this?

Later she was identified by one of the committee members as being Ayres' wife.

I don't know how to account for that sneer. Body language belies words.

on edit: when I wrote this post, I had not seen these posts, which also refer to the sneer.

posts 6, 10, 54, 65, 40, 81

My viewing is a little behind everyone else's because I keep getting up for iced coffee.

[Totally Tunsie]

135. I noticed the sneer most often as her husband spoke of his love of family.

Didn't look as though she was buying it, which makes me think it is newly donned for convenience sake.

[crickets]

137. Given Ayres said he lost his job and had to sell their house,

it's a good bet the marriage has taken some serious hits lately.

[NJCher]

141. I think you would be right

I just edited my post above to mention the posts downthread. I think you were the only one in that group of posts who picked up on it, unless one takes live..love's post as sarcasm, which is probably was.

Either that or blue-suited wifey does not share her husband's "conversion," something I doubt since they lost their house, etc.

Such duplicity.

[BumRushDaShow]

2. Currently hearing questions answered by former Oathkeeper spokesman Jason Van Tatenrove

and he has been describing the aims of the Oathkeepers, how he got involved, what he discovered, and then why he left.

[uponit7771]

4. Text prove TFGs call to go to the Capitol Complex was planned! !*** He knew** what he was doing!

[regnaD kciN]

13. That's the biggest takeaway from today...

…and I don’t think they’re emphasizing it enough.

[uponit7771]

149. +1, this should be the headlines in EVERYTHING !!!

[live love laugh]

6. Woman sitting behind Ayers seems "nice" 😳😳

[BumRushDaShow]

10. You're just wrong

[live love laugh]

54. LOL 😂

[BumRushDaShow]

65. And she was just identified - his wife

(figured either a wife or sister)

[SMC22307]

40. Seriously. Has she thrown up any white power symbols like Kavanaugh's aide? (n/t)

[Totally Tunsie]

81. Well, she did make an interesting sneer each time her husband

mentioned being "all about family". It was amusingly obvious each time.

[BumRushDaShow]

7. Next witness Stephen Ayers, a former 45 supporter, describing why he came to the insurrecction

Questions from both Thompson and now Cheney.

He was heavily into social media and got deeply involved.

[SMC22307]

15. He's not too bright. Still doesn't seem convinced that the election wasn't stolen.

All of the lost lawsuits seemed to have some impact, though.

One thing is certain - Social Media can be absolute poison for weak-minded people and RWNJs exploit it to no end.

[NJCher]

146. yes, indeedy. Darkest before the dawn.

All of the lost lawsuits seemed to have some impact, though.

Amazing what it takes to get some people's attention.

[crickets]

33. The video of him entering the Capitol

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shows him heavily covered up in cap, gaiter mask, and camo hood. I don't think Ayres expected to be recognized.

[BumRushDaShow]

51. Those insurrection sleuth groups have been amazing IDing people

[livetohike]

8. Rep Cheney: do you still believe the election was stolen.

All the lawsuits being shot down is what convinced me it wasn’t stolen.

[nolabear]

9. Such an interesting dynamic. I don't know who to root for.

I know these two Oathkeepers are helping but I’m not sure I buy their self proclaimed innocence.

[Scrivener7]

14. I can't muster either respect or pity for them.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

18. Just following orders of Hair Furor. Doesn't really work, does it.

[nolabear]

26. Nope. But I'll take the evidence they're providing.

[Scrivener7]

11. "Do you still believe the election was stolen?" "Not so much now." What?? So just a little??

[SheltieLover]

31. Lawyers prob told him to say dismissed lawsuits convinced him

Clearly he is not convinced.

And I'll bet he'd vote for tfg again!

[Lars39]

12. Ayer's deletes social media after Jan 6

Starts doing his own research. Lawsuits being shot down is what convinced him (that election was not stolen)

[SMC22307]

47. "Doing his own research" while chugging horse dewormer, likely.

Dude isn't too bright but maybe he'll get through to some people.

[SergeStorms]

133. But the country is full of these people.

Not "too bright", but 68% of Americans have no type of College education of any kind. That doesn't mean college degrees, that's no post-high school education of any sort. Many of those people didn't even graduate from high school.

How the hell can we reach these people, because they're the type that rely on Facebook for their news, and are susceptible to these far-right, white supremacist liars?

We can't just give up on these people. We certainly can't reach all of them, but they're not all hopeless, are they?

[Lars39]

16. Ayer's didn't plan on going to Capitol

President got everyone riled up

[livetohike]

17. Rep Murphy: Why did you decide to March to the Capitol?

Ayres: Trump told us to march to the Capitol

[Novara]

19. whoa

Link to tweet

[crickets]

145. Yep. Parscale tweets.

text:

MoveOn @MoveOn
Texts between former Trump campaign adviser Brad Parscale and spokesperson Katrina Pierson in the aftermath of the insurrection:
image
#Jan6thHearing
3:26 PM · Jul 12, 2022

[Lars39]

20. Everyone thought Trump was going to Capitol

[nolabear]

21. Drive that bus, boys. Drive that bus.

Lay it at his feet.

[NewHendoLib]

22. This entire day has been masterfully carried out

[Scrivener7]

25. Each of these hearings has been a masterpiece.

[NewHendoLib]

35. Absolutely. Very proud to be a Democrat (as I have all my life)

[SheltieLover]

38. +1,000,000!!!

[3catwoman3]

120. The J6 committee is the very definition of...

…having your ducks in a row. Cool, calm, organized, detail-oriented, measured voices, no histrionics.

Kudos to them.

[uponit7771]

151. +1, just when you think they're not going to say something new ... they say something new

[Lars39]

24. Raskin up....insurrection act question

[Novara]

27. Excellent point here:

Link to tweet

[livetohike]

28. I hope this journalist has protection. n/t

[BumRushDaShow]

29. Raskin mention Stewart Rhodes call for use of the "Insurrection Act"

and wanted Tatenrove's

Tatenrove - this was an "armed insurrection". Rhodes wanted to legitimize himself.

[catbyte]

30. So he wanted to be TFG's Himmler.

Rhodes, that is.

[nolabear]

32. Well there you have it. An armed revolution. GET them!

Boy I hope he’s got somewhere to go. That bunch will be after him.

[Scrivener7]

36. Evidence the Oathkeepers brought not only weapons but EXPLOSIVES to January 6.

[livetohike]

42. This is really some testimony! Scary. n/t

[Scrivener7]

48. This is a guy who JOINED the Oathkeepers because he thought the Bundy standoff was so great.

And the current state of the group is way too much for HIM to tolerate.

That's saying something.

[livetohike]

55. Yes. Exactly. n/t

[SheltieLover]

64. Who placed bombs???

[uponit7771]

152. +1, prolly pipe bomb gal associated with OathKeepers

[Lars39]

37. Rhodes bought 7k worth of tactical for Jan 6

[Hermit-The-Prog]

39. OMG Hillary as queen of hearts in their deck of targets

[Novara]

41. "explosives training"

This should make everyone's blood run cold.

[spooky3]

53. The FBI still hasn't caught the Capitol Hill bomber. Nt

[spooky3]

43. Brilliant maneuver to play on likely sexism of Ayres

Cheney and Murphy asked Qs of him, somewhat gently. It may have seemed less confrontational to him than if men had done it and he said exactly what they wanted to hear—that he hadn’t intended to riot until Trump told the crowd what to do on Jan. 6.

[BumRushDaShow]

44. Tatenrove - "Stewart Rhodes" wanted to do paramilitary

"We were exceedingly lucky that more bloodshed didn't happen".

Gallows set up for Mike Pence - the VP of the U.S.

"I do fear for the next election".

[SheltieLover]

50. Who set gallows up & placed bombs?

[BumRushDaShow]

77. I know someone knows....

[SheltieLover]

79. I would have asked.

[BumRushDaShow]

85. I think Tatenrove left well before January 6

so he probably wouldn't know, but it seems he wanted to underscore the danger of what happened.

[SheltieLover]

90. Somebody knows. Haul their asses in there & ask

[BumRushDaShow]

99. There were thousands there

I expect someone is still looking....

[SheltieLover]

139. No doubt!

Seems to me coordinators would know.

[BumRushDaShow]

147. There seemed to have been different groups

the Proud Boys/Oathkeepers/3%ers doing the "paramilitary style "storming" of the building. In fact I remember seeing so many comments from pundits and others pointing out how there were literally certain small groups of camo-wearing individuals breaking into the building and moving "in formation".

Then you had state elected officials like here in PA, who were "sponsoring" groups and paying for buses.

So I don't know if the supremacists constructed that (although it could be one of their chapters) - but it's obvious that they seemed to be more focused on going on a "hunting trip" in the building in "military fashion".

[SheltieLover]

153. True

But I'm guessing they were going to hunt then frog march to gallows for public display. Just guessing of course.

[crickets]

76. "We have to stop mincing words and call things what they are."

"This was going to be an armed revolution."

As chilling as this is, I am glad he's forcefully making the point that there absolutely was deliberate planning to get people killed, to "take out" different politicians and judges like a "pack of cards" up to and including Hillary Clinton as the Queen of Hearts. Talking about explosives training*, yikes.

Warning that tfg will try again if he's reelected. Says "we have to start holding people to account."


*wondering about pipe bombs in light of this testimony.

[BumRushDaShow]

80. And he wants to start a civil war.

[irisblue]

45. So where is Stewart Rhodes on this day?

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

52. Unavoidably detained

He's sitting in prison awaiting trial.

[irisblue]

58. Thank you. The idea that he was out on bail made me nauseous

[blogslug]

56. Pre-trial jail

He's been trying to get moved to another facility in a different town and to have his trial moved as well and blah blah blah

[irisblue]

108. Thx for the update

[ancianita]

59. He was there. Details will come out at his trial, I suppose. Here's the indictment Jan 13 2022.

A lot of details are in this, as well.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and

[irisblue]

106. Thank you

[ancianita]

140. You're welcome, irisblue!

The link is a good read, yes?

[livetohike]

46. " what's going to happen if he gets elected again?" n/t

[RocRizzo55]

73. He's not getting elected again. n/t

[awesomerwb1]

115. He won't

but there's others who'll be happy to take up the torch and more efficiently try to dismantle everything in order to create the White Christian United States of Q-Anon.

[NewHendoLib]

49. If the law still holds in this country, Trump, and many others, are Fucked

Today is devastating for them.

[Lars39]

62. From your keyboard to the big 'mater in the sky!

[NewHendoLib]

66. .

[BumRushDaShow]

57. Ayers - "lost my job, sold my house"

"Changed not for the good".

[IcyPeas]

159. What was his job? I couldn't find any mention on my internet.

and thank you for the threads BumRushDaShow

[BumRushDaShow]

160. Haven't been able to find anything about that either

just tidbits of how he was from OH, family members turned him in, that he lad an 8 minute Facebook video bragging about what they had done, and that he had been there with at least 2 others including one other from OH (who committed suicide a year later ) and a woman from PA.

And you're welcome!

[livetohike]

60. Ayres: lost my job. Had to sell my house. n/t

[ArnoldLayne]

61. OMG Hillary Clinton was the Queen of Hearts to kill

In the deck of cards they had. FBI are you listening to this?

[Novara]

63. This is fucking infuriating

[Botany]

67. Who gave Stewart Rhodes (oath keepers) the money for the weapons and tatical gear he ....

.... was sending to VA prior to the 1/6/21 attack on America?

Ginni Thomas? The Trump campaign? The Mercers?

[ancianita]

82. Let's hope that's answered in his trial. It's evidence that the DOJ is probably holding until then.

After his conviction is when we see further arrests for the aiders and abettors of conspiracy. We should know the names of his funders by then. On the other hand they might claim not to be aware how their money was spent, since they might have "donated" to what Rhodes is said to have presented as a worthy cause.

[Traildogbob]

68. Rhoads

Needs to be swiftly sent to GITMO with other terrorists that are a threat to this country. Just like ISIS detainees, charges will be pending until, whenever. He is the American Bin Laden. He should spend what’s left of his one eyed life (he shot the other one out himself) in that facility. Far away from Americans. He ain’t one.

[Novara]

69. I agree.

[SheltieLover]

74. Along with slob, spawn & russian assets in our govt. Every. One.

[Traildogbob]

102. 🤜🤛

Every one of them. Other terrorists are there, waiting for a charge, some decades. Do not wait to charge those MFR’s. Lock them up for our safety. We will get to charges when we can. They threw away American Justice and rights. Give em the kind of Justice they want to kill for. Like, Russia, Hungary. North Korea, and any Taliban ruled country. Include Flynn, Bannon and Jones. So glad Rusty Limpballs is dead, imaging his bloviating the last 2 years and being trumps main General to take over this country.

[SheltieLover]

138. I couldn't agree more!

[uponit7771]

154. +1, if Rhoads was Muslim he'd already be there imho

[Traildogbob]

158. There are many

That should be stripped of citizenship. They don’t believe in a society. Take it away, put in Texas holding cells waiting deportation. Send em to Afghanistan, where they have lots of Anti American, Anti Democracy club members. Let Kim Jong Un have em as play things or target practice.

[SMC22307]

70. Ayres: Take the blinders off ... before it's too late.

Smartest thing he said throughout his testimony.

[crickets]

89. +1

[BumRushDaShow]

72. Chair thanking witnesses and offering opportunity for more questions in writing

Now having Jamie Raskin doing a closing statement.

[livetohike]

75. Jamie Raskin for President one day! n/t

[IcyPeas]

78. I wonder if any of these oath keepers comrades will see the light

after hearing this.

one can hope.

[SheltieLover]

84. They will all vote for qpukes.

[Novara]

83. Goddammit, now I'm crying

Raskin is so eloquent.

[Totally Tunsie]

94. "We have to wonder what the former president would think if he knew what Officer Grinell was facing.

Personally, I think TFG would simply say "SUCK-AAA". TFG has no respect for LEO in general, and certainly couldn't care less about this officer in particular. It's not in his nature to have or show empathy.

[SMC22307]

98. Seriously. And Murphy telling her personal story of fleeing Vietnam...

and how much she loves America.

[Novara]

112. I worked with someone

Who was tossed onto a boat as a 3-year old leaving Saigon during the evacuation. He got split up from his Mom and brother. It took months and months for them to find each other in San Francisco.

I have so much respect for people who build a life after things like that.

[livetohike]

86. Rep Raskin: American Carnage is Trump's true legacy. n/t

[llmart]

87. Thank you for putting this together for those of us who couldn't watch.

I haven't missed one of the hearings but today I had something else going on and missed it. So I'll savor watching it tonight.

[Mersky]

88. Hamilton addressed the rise of a figure like tRump in the 1st Federalist Paper

How they begin as demagogues pandering to the people, then end up as tyrants.

[BumRushDaShow]

91. Raskin gave a bangup seech Murphy's closing statement now...

Murphy noting that she was born in Vietnam after the war when her family fled.

[ancianita]

92. Ms. Murphy! SO eloquent!

I was choked up.

[Mersky]

100. Got me, too

Pit of the stomach lurch when she said she had to flee fellow American citizens.

[ancianita]

129. After

fleeing the same violence in her home country to come to America. I was so choked at the thought of what she's gone through and her gratitude for the "grace" of this country letting her in.

She is among those the Right would want to "disappear" with their "replacement fear."

[BumRushDaShow]

93. Cheney summarizing and giving her closing statement

[Novara]

95. Of all the hearings, this one has made me the most furious

Heads need to roll, DOJ. Heads need to roll.

[Montauk6]

96. But it WASN'T just Trump!

It was a whole cabal of media, think tanks, politicians, paramilitary hate groups, fundamentalist church leaders, rogue billionaires going all the way to the Lee Atwater days (and probably beyond) that got us to Jan 6. While Trump should go down, he should NOT be the lone perp walker.

[love_katz]

162. And Roger Stone also dates back to Nixon, just like Atwater.

The mistake our country made back then was to let both Nixon and Agnew skate on their crimes by resigning. Neither of those two rotten crooks spent a single day in jail. The unfortunate message that was sent is that you can get away with anything as long as you are powerful enough and are either rich or backed by people with deep pockets. The hateful toxic slime of bigotry has been around since the founding of this country and is way overdue for being faced and dealt with. But it needs its jet fuel of big money to be exposed and cut off. You named all the sources that have lead us to where we are. All of these connections need to be exposed, and their influence and money cut off. It will be like attacking The Hydra.

[livetohike]

97. Rep Cheney giving closing statement. Trump summoned the

mob and he knew they were armed.

[RocRizzo55]

101. I have one question...

When will Merrick Garland wake up, and indict the leader?

[mainer]

103. Murphy, WOW

This is the first time I’ve heard her speak. What moving, powerful comments from a Vietnamese -American. I hope we’ll see more of her in the future.

[BumRushDaShow]

104. Cheney giving highlghts from Cipollone that will be discussed at the next hearing next week.

[Novara]

105. Nest week, another hearing

It sounds like it may be their last?

[crickets]

107. Raskin: Sgt Gonell (Capitol police) so badly wounded

with permanent damage to shoulder and foot, that he is unable to return to his job. So sad and unfair. 😔

[BumRushDaShow]

109. 45 - witness tampering!

[YDogg]

116. The tamperer ought to be in prison

[Jirel]

121. Oh myyyyy.

This could be fun. Twitter caught in person. Hmmm… who has his phone number in their contacts, so they could screen it? Cipollone?

[Mersky]

123. tRump called a witness we haven't seen, yet

That witness’s lawyer contacted the Jan 6 Committee that, in turn, referred it to the DOJ.

Cheney continues to not disappoint with her final comments.

[crickets]

131. Ikr? That was a bombshell.

Looking forward to finding out more about that -- as if some of us needed any encouragement to look forward to next week's hearings.

[Mersky]

142. Indispensable look forward for mental preparation, but more than that

Helps check and document the pattern and instances of witness tampering. Is not being shoved under the rug — the public knows and so does the DOJ. Is super smart, imo.

[Abigail_Adams]

150. It's an excellent tactic

to promote the next hearing, and shows that TFG still has no morals--and still thinks someone will cover his ass. Not that we were in any doubt!

[Mersky]

157. How much is it a tactic or an artifact of how this all has to be spelled out

in a methodical way. tRump’s criming is ongoing as the committee has one more witness kept til the end (which occurs in any number of investigations.)

[livetohike]

110. Next week they will walk through Jan 6 minute by

minute.

[BumRushDaShow]

111. Thompson doing his closing

[irisblue]

114. Flat out witness tampering?

[livetohike]

117. I could listen to Bennie Thompson all day. Excellent

close.

[Novara]

118. LOCK THE FUCKER UP

Link to tweet

[LaMouffette]

126. I wonder if it was Steve Bannon he tried to call? Or Mark Meadows???

[Cha]

144. The FUCKER DOESN'T LEARN!

Please Fight to Save Our Democracy💙 in 2022 & 2024!

[wryter2000]

119. I love the cliff hangers at the end

Someone is an effing genius

[BumRushDaShow]

122. Thompson - one of those times "that tests the strength of our federal government"

"President of the United States instead sent the mob."

"Nothing in our nation's history come close to that betrayal and dereliction."

[crickets]

134. Bennie Thompson's clear explanation of why a federal government is important

and necessary when there are things that states just can't handle alone was so well expressed.

[BumRushDaShow]

124. ***COMMITTEEE NOW ADJOURNED FOR THE DAY***

[Totally Tunsie]

125. I love the stench of witness tampering.

Next week, too, will be a DUzy.

This Committee is to be highly commended for the presentations they are putting forward.

[Scrivener7]

127. Wow.

[BumRushDaShow]

128. **THANK YOU ALL**

(was about to start a thread 5 but figured they were right at the end)

[ancianita]

132. THANK YOU BACK!

[crickets]

136. Thanks so much for the excellent thread wrangling, BRDS!

It's wonderful to be able to watch along with everyone's comments here.

[livetohike]

143. Thanks for the threads! See you all next time. n/t

[Scrivener7]

130. Thank you BumRushDaShow! You are the best!

[AngryOldDem]

148. Never heard a pair of bigger dumbasses.

To quote mothers everywhere: ‘If they told you to jump off a roof, would you do it?”

These crazy bastards did, and lost it all for somebody who never, ever gave two shits about them.

playing just for you, suckers.

[uponit7771]

155. +1,

[Marthe48]

156. I feel drained

watching the hearings is emotionally exhausting.

How those people can live with themselves, I don't know.

Yesterday, there was a concession trailer set up in my town on an empty store lot selling traitor flags and hats. Who would sell or buy that crap now? Knowing what we know. Traitors, that's who.

Other people have been idolized, but I can't think of any one of them who would've tried to destroy our country because of their popularity.

[electric_blue68]

161. Thank you, BRTS! 👍