Every single GOP who voted not to certify needs to be held accountable

[Lulu Latech]

They chose to vote not based on facts but were willing to discard their constinuants certified votes out of loyalty to Trump. They need to be publically confronted and held accountable for their vote based upon the big lie. They can't expect this to be swept under the carpet or forgotten. If they are your elected officials, write, call, and email asking why they made this decision when there was no evidence of fraud. I certainly hope that come November, those who are up for re-election should be publically shamed and thrown out of office.

[SheltieLover]

1. Absofuckingloutely!

[CatWoman]

2. as well as those fund raising and running for office based on The Big Lie

[SickOfTheOnePct]

3. So long as you mean

held accountable at the ballot box, I'm right there with you. If you mean held accountable in some other way, such as legal charges or expulsion, then we would part ways.

[HelpImSurrounded]

4. You oppose using the rule of law?

You oppose legal charges for crimes committed?
You oppose expulsion if expulsion is warranted?

Your attitude is why we are no longer a nation of laws.

NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW

[SickOfTheOnePct]

8. The certification vote was the subject of the OP

and it's not against the law to vote against certification.

When a crime is committed, no, I don't oppose legal charges. But voting against certification is not a crime.
When actions/behavior rise to the level of expulsion, no, I don't oppose expulsion. But voting against certification is not an action/behavior that rises to the level of expulsion.

I would submit that taking legal action or expelling a member from the House or Senate because they didn't vote the way we wanted them to when taking part in a Constitutionally mandated activity would also contribute to us no longer being a nation of laws.

YMMV.

[Hortensis]

12. Isn't assumption of no crime premature? An unspecified # asked for PARDONS.

Others may have similar exposure to criminal charges. We don't know what evidence the investigation has turned up about the intentions and actions of the 147 members of the 117th Congress's Treason Caucus.

[HelpImSurrounded]

20. +1, THIS, etc

THIS is the point. Those who voted against certification are very likely involved at a deeper level and must be investigated, charged and prosecuted as appropriate.

[Hortensis]

23. Very possibly for some, and sure hope so. Hope they're feeling surrounded. :)

[SickOfTheOnePct]

24. Agree there needs to be investigations

And if crimes were committed, of course there should be charges.

But the OP was specifically about the certification vote, and since voting against certification is not a crime, then no, I don’t think there should be any legal action because of how they voted.

[Hortensis]

26. I agree with your principle, absolutely, SickOf. But perhaps for some

or all the vote itself was part of and evidence of a statutory crime. Like knowing participation in the attempted internal coup d'etat that vote was part of.

I'd like to hear more about what was stated at the opening of this hearing -- that if the they had managed to stop the certification tRump would then have had a number of ways to proceed. Some might have been arguably technically legal, but all would have been treason.

[onecaliberal]

7. I'm sorry I have to part ways with thinking that it's okay to have people in congress that want to

kill democrats and don't believe in democracy.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

9. I don't want anyone in Congress who wants to kill anyone

But the subject of the OP was specifically the certification vote.

[onecaliberal]

10. You can parse it however you want. They want to kill us. They have said it. I believe them. /END

[SickOfTheOnePct]

11. Then we work to get them voted out

What we don't (or shouldn't) do is file legal charges or have them expelled because they didn't vote the way we wanted them to.

[onecaliberal]

14. You swear an oath. Why do you think we do that? If you DON'T believe in democracy, you shouldn't

be allowed to occupy a government you don't even fucking believe in. I'm done swatting these repuke talking points.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

15. Saying that the Constitution mandates a certification vote

is not a "right wing talking point". If the founders didn't anticipate that some members might vote against certification, then what is the point of having it?

You want to charge them for helping the insurrectionists that day? With you 100%.
You want to charge them with inciting the insurrection through their words and deeds? With you 100%.
If there isn't enough evidence for legal charges on the two items above, but enough for expulsion? With you 100%.

But charging or expelling them because they didn't vote the way that you or I wanted them to? No thanks. That's the antithesis of democracy.

[onecaliberal]

17. The founders didn't anticipate a criminal president that would direct traitors to attack the capitol

AND try to hang their own VP and the dem speaker because the VP wouldn't go along with their criminal plot.

The founders didn't anticipate that 1/3 of the country is too stupid to breathe. or FAUX SPEWS

That green woman participated in this shit and wasn't even sworn in yet. If you put your hand on a bible and swear and oath to protect and defend a constitution that you do NOT believe in, you should be expelled TODAY!

This isn't about voting how I want, it's about believing in our system of government. If you don't, you shouldn't be allowed to serve. Thinking that is okay is about as republican talking point as it gets. I am sadly going to ignore you now, because comprehension.

[Zeitghost]

19. With regards only to the certification vote:

Is it really a functioning republic when casting a vote in Congress results in criminal charges? If that's the case, why even have a vote?

[Sympthsical]

21. Interesting impulse I've observed lately

"They want to be fascist! That's why we need to get there first!"

Like, that's the solution? Whoever reaches authoritarianism first wins?

There are times I lay awake at night and idly suspect the internet is not sending what it could.

[Zeitghost]

22. I've noticed the same

The 180° turn towards authoritarian solutions I've seen from so many of my fellow liberals on free speech and other topics has been a little frightening.

Advocating for elected officials to be criminally punished for casting a vote in the House of Representatives they don't agree with is a scary proposition when you think of it.

[usajumpedtheshark]

27. So it doesn't matter that they knew it was based on lies and were desparate to keep a President who

didn't win the election in power?

[Zeitghost]

28. With regards to the vote and the vote only

Any judgement is for their constituents to make.

As I asked before, if you are going to be held criminally liable for voting "wrong", what exactly is the point of a having a vote?

[usajumpedtheshark]

29. You keep wanting to over generalize the discussion instead of addressing the specifics

Their vote was part of a criminal conspiracy aimed at keeping Trump in office.
They all knew that Biden was legitimately elected and that the challenges in court were not successful.
Therefore they knew that there was no legitimate reason to object to the electoral votes from each state.
By voting to object, they were attempting to help Trump in his corrupt scheme to throw the electoral votes back to the states so that his phony alternate electors could elect him president. They also knew that Trump's plan was to delay the process long enough for his mob to do his dirty work

[Zeitghost]

30. And you have direct irrefutable proof of this?

Because "we all know why they voted that way" isn't a sound legal argument.

The slippery slope of criminally charging legislators for casting votes with no other direct evidence of corruption is not a road any of should want to go down.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

5. Our former Congressman is no more.

Only God knows where his soul is.

[Emile]

6. They are all traitors to our Democratic Republic!

[Sky Jewels]

13. They are treasonous traitors to the US Constitution

and democracy itself.

Can you imagine if, let's say, Obama had organized a coup d'etat attempt and most of the congressional Dems went along with it? I was going to say they'd all be thrown in Gitmo that very same day, but really, they probably wouldn't have even made it to Cuba because the right wing would have violently taken all D's out with assault weapons.

[panader0]

16. Each one should be asked if they believe that Biden is the legitimate POTUS.

If they agree, ask them why they voted as they did. If they disagree, they need to be hounded
until they are voted out of office. They voted not to certify ON THE SAME DAY as the insurrection!
Gosar, Gym Jordan, Brooks and many more were in on the planning. Those should be interviewed, charged
and arrested.

[walkingman]

18. Called mine - Rep. Cloud (Tx) and the intern said he couldn't say but would pass

the question on to the DC office (which I will be calling tomorrow) for an answer. I probably won't hear anything because they are AFRAID to answer. These folks are assholes and since they know in my gerrymandered district it doesn't matter and could care less.

[onecaliberal]

25. They plotted to overturn in December.

It was all bullshit. Their objections were FOR stealing the election.