Pressley to Hawley: When an ectopic pregnancy ruptures what are the chances it can be carried safely

[demmiblue]

Pressley to Hawley: When an ectopic pregnancy ruptures what are the chances it can be carried safely to term? And you know what, just to make this clearer, I’m looking for a number between 0 and 100

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[leftieNanner]

1. That's not an abortion???

What does she think it is??

Why do they have these morons on the hill to testify??

[Roland99]

31. She tried to say it's not an abortion because there was no intent to end the life of a child

So abortion is about intent apparently

[leftieNanner]

32. Oh For Goodness Sakes!

They claim that an amorphous clump of cells is a child as soon as it's fertilized. So how is it not "a child" if it's ectopic.

Can't have it both ways, honey. Actually, you shouldn't have it any way. It's not your business.

[Beaverhausen]

2. I had to look up who that smug little shithead represented

https://adflegal.org/

Stand with ADF today as we fight to protect unborn life and help support mothers! Your monthly gift helps defend the right to life throughout America!

[lostnfound]

3. She is Josh Hawley's wife. Nt

[halfulglas]

56. When does the supporting mothers begin? What sort of support?

These support groups (I don't know if they still do) mostly "counsel" her she is doing the morally right thing not terminating the pregnancy including threats to her soul and give them baby clothes. Pocket the donation of money for themselves. If they're serious how about child care and a decent place to live? Oh, what was I thinking of? They're not into what kind of a life. They're not into the fact that other women have dreams for the future. They should not be allowed to use those terms of Pregnancy Crisis Center, etc. They don't help the crisis at all.

Josh Hawley is despicable human being and does not deserve to be in the US Senate.

[llashram]

57. and

in these times they are getting millions of $$$ from their chumps. Their ex-POTUS taught them well I see sarcasm:

[demmiblue]

4. P.S. That's Josh Hawley's wife.

She is senior counsel for Alliance Defending Freedom.

Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF, formerly Alliance Defense Fund) is an American conservative Christian legal advocacy group focused on blocking rights and protections for LGBTQ people;[5] expanding Christian practices within public schools and in government;[6][7] and preventing access to abortion and contraception.[8][9] ADF is headquartered in Scottsdale, Arizona, with branch offices in Washington, D.C. and New York, among other locations.[10] The global arm, Alliance Defending Freedom International, is headquartered in Vienna, Austria.[11]

ADF is one of the most organized and influential Christian legal interest groups in the country[12] based on its budget, caseload, large network of allied attorneys, and connections to political figures such as Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett[13] and high-ranking Republicans including former Vice President Mike Pence,[14] former attorneys general William Barr[15] and Jeff Sessions,[16][17] and US Senator from Missouri Josh Hawley.[18] ADF attorneys have argued a number of cases before the Supreme Court, including cases about religion in public schools, the Affordable Care Act, business owners' right to exclude LGBTQ customers, same-sex marriage, and prayers before town meetings.[19]

The Southern Poverty Law Center designates ADF as an anti-LGBT hate group based on its active opposition to legal rights and protections of LGBTQ people in the United States and around the world.[20] ADF has lobbied, brought lawsuits, and provided legal support to groups to prevent decriminalization of homosexuality in the United States and worldwide; oppose same-sex marriage; prevent laws from being passed to prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity; force transgender people to be sterilized in order to change their identification documents; and restrict transgender people's rights to use bathrooms and play sports.[21][5][20] The SPLC described the ADF as "one of the most influential groups informing the Trump administration's attack on LGBTQ rights."[20]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_Defending_Freedom

[OMGWTF]

8. There's no hate like Xitian love.

[evolves]

18. 100% correct

[paleotn]

28. Precisely.

[2naSalit]

58. No shit.

They truly rank at the top two or more positions most of the time.

[Naio]

12. Mrs hawley

An ordinary woman without a personality, a religious fanatic.

[Nevilledog]

13. With a loving marriage.

Link to tweet

[ShazzieB]

17. Wow.

They both have their lips sucked in like they can barely stand to have them touch the other person's lips! (He's worse, but she's doing it, too.)

They have kids, too. Wonder how they pulled that off?

[evolves]

19. "Pulled that off"

is likely how they had kids...

[leftieNanner]

33. LOL

Oh, you are baaaaaad.

[evolves]

36. I try!

[appleannie1]

21. Careful there, your lips might touch

[colorado_ufo]

22. I've gotten a warmer kiss than that

from my dog.

[dchill]

24. Oh, every time!

[malthaussen]

26. Be nice, they both closed their eyes.

Probably the better to think about someone else.

-- Mal

[Nevilledog]

27. Must not have had paper bags handy.

[HuskyOffset]

55. I'm sure they're both thinking about Jeebus (NT)

[paleotn]

29. They're the very heart of evil.

[ShazzieB]

20. He ain't no Fred, though.

Nowhere near.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

23. Do these creatures get North Korea to name their groups?

[calimary]

38. Alliance Defending Freedom?

OMG…

…Defending Freedom???

[Trueblue1968]

5. BLONDIE .... STFU !!!

[gratuitous]

6. The killers want it both ways

They want women to die from ectopic pregnancies, but they refuse to call ending such a pregnancy an abortion because (and the "reasons" shift all the time) the procedure in the case of a ruptured ectopic pregnancy doesn't terminate a viable fetus. At least, that's their argument today.

Regardless of what semantic hairs these zealots want to split in a hearing, the medical term doesn't change: It's an abortion. And when they say, "Oh, but we don't mean *that* kind of a procedure, we mean something else." But the laws are written so that they mean exactly that procedure (among others). And a woman terminating an ectopic pregnancy before it kills her is subject to the same draconian law and punishment as any other woman exercising her right to the medical treatment she deems best for her.

[onecaliberal]

7. They want these poor women to die. PERIOD.

Maybe we will get lucky and heehawley can have her own non treatment.

[LenaBaby61]

16. THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

[evolves]

39. Exactly. That was the point I think Pressley was trying to make

(though I did not see the entire testimony):

Pressley wanted to show that there is essentially NO difference between treating an ectopic and and providing an abortion, other than the location of the embryo. The anti-abortion zealots are absolutely splitting semantic hairs.

In Hawley's little attempt to talk over Pressley at the end of the initial clip, she says smugly that treatment of an ectopic "is not an abortion because it is not trying to end the life of a child." OF COURSE IT IS AN ABORTION. The medical definition of abortion is termination of a pregnancy. Abortions can be spontaneous (aka: miscarriage), medical, or surgical. Removal of an ectopic pregnancy is, for all practical purposes, therefore a surgical abortion. I have managed dozens of ectopics over my 30-year career, and I know exactly what happens.

Hawley's smugness is enraging, but I guess that's her point.

[Comfortably_Numb]

9. Of course she's Josh's wife...living in a house where stupid saturates everything

of course she’s a maroon. She and Josh deserve each other.

[iluvtennis]

10. If Hawley's wife had an ectopic pregnancy - guaranteed she would terminate the pregnancy - HYPOCRITE

[geardaddy]

11. Wow, they want it both ways

I thought they believed life began at conception!

[WhiskeyGrinder]

14. Y'all, what they want when the pregnancy is ectopic is to wait until the embryo or fetus shows no

activity; THEN it can be removed. Bed rest with immediate access to a hospital is their way to "treat" it -- it's a wait-and-see game until the fetus dies. They'd rather that than end the pregnancy in advance.

[Novara]

25. It isn't an embryo and it isn't really a fetus.

It's a fertilized egg and it isn't getting the nutrients it needs to turn into much of a fetus. It usually ruptures 6 to 12 weeks after it implants in the fallopian tube. And when it bursts it can cause severe bleeding and kill the woman.

There is no medical way to move it into a woman's uterus, contrary to what some idiots on the right believe.

My mother had one before she had any of her kids and it almost killed her.

[evolves]

40. That's an embryo.

A fetus absolutely develops in an ectopic, and the developing placenta invades the surrounding structures, making them a hemodynamic time bomb.
You are correct that there is no way to "relocate" an ectopic-- placental tissue cannot be "relocated," as it essentially fuses to and invades what it attaches to.
Ectopics usually rupture before 12 weeks (depending on the location), and what ruptures is the fallopian tube.

I had a patient rupture an ectopic in my office once. If we hadn't been in a building connected to the hospital, she would have died.

[Novara]

47. Thanks for the clarification

Lawmakers should be forced to consult with doctors before making laws regarding women's bodies. It infuriates me to see these IGNORANT men arguing STUPID points that aren't even close to medically sound.

[evolves]

48. Happy to be of help,

and completely agree.

[niyad]

52. They should not be making laws regulating what women can do with their

bodies, PERIOD. The only "consulting" these woman-hating gestational do is with the lobbyists who line their pockets.

[Novara]

53. Well, I fully agree with that

they just can't stop trying to control us, the fuckers.

[AverageOldGuy]

34. My experience . . . for what it's worth.

I retired to rural VA 15 years ago, was recruited by a neighbor to earn certification as an ambulance driver with the local volunteer rescue squad. I did that, then went through the training and certification to become an EMT, then, kept advancing until I earned paramedic certification.

I have been on two calls for pregnant ladies suffering ectopic pregnancies and of all the shootings, stabbings, car wrecks with fatalities, OD deaths, heart attacks, etc. I have been on, these two calls will stick with me forever. The pain from an ectopic is unbearable. One woman told me the pain was worse than childbirth -- and it never ends -- all our morphine does is dull the pain for the ride to the hospital. Hemorrhaging like I've never seen and don't want to see again.

There is NO FETUS IN AN ECTOPIC PREGNANCY. There is a mass of cells lodged in the Fallopian tube, which is about 0.5 cm in diameter. The mass of cells cannot implant and thus cannot receive nourishment through a placenta -- the cells die and start to rot in the Fallopian tube, spreading sepsis that will kill the woman.

But, hey, nothing in the Constitution about ectopic pregnancies, so, I guess women should just suck it up.

[evolves]

41. OB/Gyn here--

There actually IS a fetus, and the placenta does form. Everything proceeds as it should in an intrauterine pregnancy, but the tube cannot accommodate the expanding fetus and embryo because it is not designed to do so-- that is why it ruptures. The lumen is only 1mm in diameter at the opening into the uterine cavity.
Sepsis is almost never seen in ectopic, because the hemorrhage from rupture would kill a woman long before an infection would.

[ShazzieB]

44. Oh, thanks for this.

Reading this has greatly increased my knowledge of what goes on with ectopic pregnancies.

Sepsis is something I associate with incomplete miscarriages that are neglected for too long (often because of restrictive antiabortion laws that don't allow the fetus to be removed as long as there is still cardiac activity). Is that correct?

[evolves]

49. The medical term for any termination of pregnancy

before 20 weeks is "abortion." It can be spontaneous (miscarriage), or induced. Sepsis can most often be seen in "inevitable (spontaneous) abortion." In this situation, the cervix is open and the patient is typically bleeding, a sign that the pregnancy is failing, but the embryo may still have "cardiac" activity. (I put that in quotes, because there is no actual heart until approx 10 weeks)

[Thunderbeast]

35. I think she means it that whole "GOD'S WILL" thing

Scotty...

Beam these idiots back to the bronze age!

Oh wait!

They did abortions then too!

[Blue Owl]

37. K&R for visibility

[Maraya1969]

42. "It's a life threatening situation and that's why it is not an abortion"

what?

[Maraya1969]

43. When I had an ectopic pregnancy they listed it first as a "Threatened abortion"

I don't know why but...........and it absolutely needs an abortion. In my case I was given Methotrexate.

[ShazzieB]

45. I never knew methotrexate could be used for that!

I thought ectopic pregnancies always had to be surgically removed. I still don't quite understand how it works, but it's nice to know that there's an alternative to surgery.

[Maraya1969]

46. The thing is they can do that if you catch the pregnancy early. It is only after the fetus grows

to big and ruptures something like a fallopian tube that an ectopic pregnancy becomes imminently life threatening. I found out I was pregnant very early and when they did the ultrasounds they knew that it had not implanted in the womb. So I had to go for blood tests every other day to see what the pregnancy hormones would do and they kept lowing but then they stopped. So that is when I got the methotrexate.

[evolves]

50. Yes--

medical treatment is preferred if the patient is hemodynamically stable and meets certain criteria based on protocols. Methotrexate treatment has been standard of care since the early 90s. It's been a game-changer.

[evolves]

51. That's just the medical terminology

(See my other posts on this thread)
When a woman comes in bleeding in early pregnancy, it is termed a "threatened (spontaneous) abortion." We just don't include the term "spontaneous" because it is understood.

[usaf-vet]

54. ZERO ZERO ZERO. If you have to ask you are two f..ing stupid to have any say. Let me put it this way

....when I was A USAF Medic specifically an Operating Room scrub tech. Pre Roe v Wade.

There were two or three OB-GYN emergency cases that we would get called in for emergency surgery.

One was a Cesarean section, the other was a ruptured ectopic pregnancy, and the third was a botched attempted self-abortion.

Of the two, the ruptured ectopic pregnancy was likely to take much more time to "clean up" the immediate damage as well as the potential long-term damage of septic material invading the abdomen.

To even consider an ectopic pregnancy as a potential fetus that would survive demonstrate a total lack of understanding of the anatomy and the inability for that tissue to become viable.

More than one of those cases (ectopic and botched abortion) ended with the woman losing her ability to EVER to have children.

IMO Roe saved future lives and led to happy families.

[Quanto Magnus]

59. As always

These people tried to redefine words on the fly, so they don't look like the gigantic assholes they are....

"Oh, but this isn't abortion".....


stop lying!