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We have been told the votes do not exist to codify Roe v Wade as a federal right via federal law. But what if we took one aspect of it which is very likely to pass and nullify no exceptions for rape or incest. It's the most insidious aspect. Force a vote.
Would Republicans actually rally in opposition?
Let them try the 'God's will' justification.
It would boldly illustrate how out of touch they are with the American people.
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VoteBlue2175
(28 posts)TomSlick
(12,937 posts)Force a vote that will label the extremists for what they are.
Welcome to DU.
VoteBlue2175
(28 posts)SoCalDavidS
(10,599 posts)But still fall Far short of the 60 votes needed to bring it to an actual majority vote.
They DON'T CARE about the optics. I assure you of that.
Maraya1969
(23,448 posts)Maraya1969
(23,448 posts)Let their daughters see that if they ever were in danger of losing their life because of a pregnancy their parent would absolutely allow them to die.
H2O Man
(78,861 posts)Hekate
(100,133 posts)Cultures and countries that allowed women to DIE with a dead fetus inside them were barbaric. That allowed women to BLEED OUT were barbaric. That forced a CHILD, a LITTLE GIRL to remain pregnant were barbaric. That forced a woman to bear a RAPISTs baby were barbaric.
THATs how we knew WE were not barbaric.
To be sure, we ourselves screwed up royally all those years and then we got better, and better, and better. Contraception, for Gods sake. Abortion without going septic. Gay rights. LGBTQ+ rights including marriage and family.
And now we stand to lose it all, and the Barbarians will rejoice.
Hermit-The-Prog
(36,631 posts)The barbarians are well-funded and have a propaganda machine built up over decades.
It's time for all hands on deck. The majority of citizens are not barbarians:
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/
summer_in_TX
(4,064 posts)The anti-abortion crowd used an incremental approach. We could work bit by bit to achieve those:
Abortion as optional for victims of race and incest.
And as medically necessary for those too young to give birth safely, without permanent damage to their bodies.
SheilaAnn
(10,670 posts)VoteBlue2175
(28 posts)duckworth969
(1,299 posts)and a good start.
But codifying should still be aggressively pursued.
lark
(25,959 posts)Out the repugs who are trying to hide the truth regarding their extremism and murderous callousness towards women. No one who votes against contraception can win, IMO.
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,659 posts)will end up hurting a lot of people: "Exception abortions" are notoriously hard to get and compromising will slow the push for full access. We protect the most vulnerable by advocating for abortion access for all.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)I know this is long, but I feel it had to be said to you and all those who think compromise is an option.
Our home-grown theocrats have gone so far over the line that there is no compromise. There never was any compromising with them. It never was about babies. If it was, someone in the legislatures writing those no exceptions laws would have realized that a girl who was impregnated at age 9 (she only just turned 10) is still a baby herself. It was only ever about women and not allowing us to own our own bodies and shape our own futures.
I know you mean well, but what if there had been talk of compromise about chattel slavery? Really those peoples lives could have been improved with better places to sleep and limits on whipping and raping. Maybe a mess-hall with abundant healthy food. It wouldnt be so bad.
But when something is called slavery right up front, people with a conscience will recoil. And the human soul cries out for freedom and the rights to ones own bodies and own thoughts and actions.
Because most women and girls in this country have a decent life in 2022, it is easy to forget how we got here. The keystone of it all without which everything collapses is contraception.
They, the Right Wing, started redefining the most reliable forms of birth control as abortifacients years ago.
Thats when I knew it was not just about abortion, but more deeply about every social advance women have made since we got the vote. Every social advance weve made since Margaret Sanger went to prison for telling women how they could avoid unwanted pregnancies. (By the way, since the dawn of time women have tried to control their fertility, and have done so. Alito is a damn fool if he thinks otherwise.)
Having a prospective employer say, But youll just get pregnant, or having your current employer say straight up the reason you as a married woman cant get that promotion is because Youll just get pregnant is something that will return in a heartbeat when contraceptives are once again unavailable. Because it will once again be true.
It goes further. My grandfather, born in the 1880s, told his 3 daughters that college for them was pointless because they were just going to get married and have babies. His 3 sons went to college.
American men are in for a very rude awakening if they somehow think this is only a womans issue.
When inflation & lagging wages for men really started to bite, women had already entered the workforce in large numbers. It was the wages of married women, long considered secondary in the family budget, that propped up the middle class as long as it did.
More than one or two children completely erodes family finances: childcare and diapers and formula are incredibly expensive.
One thing I never see factored in is the destruction of public schools, with the twofold push to homeschool and/or send the kids to private schools. Who homeschools? Mothers.
The pandemic shutdown put the religious right agenda on steroids: get the moms out of career jobs and back in the home where they belong, get the kids out of public schools and into a homeschooling setting where mom is the full time teacher, divert taxes away from K-12 public schools.
And if women once again cannot reliably control their fertility, it will fall to the man of the house to be the sole provider of an ever-expanding brood.
I hate the RW GOP so much there are hardly words for it. DONT YIELD AN INCH.
