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VoteBlue2175

(28 posts)
Wed Jul 13, 2022, 10:18 PM Jul 2022

DU, I have an idea re: Roe v Wade

We have been told the votes do not exist to codify Roe v Wade as a federal right via federal law. But what if we took one aspect of it which is very likely to pass and nullify no exceptions for rape or incest. It's the most insidious aspect. Force a vote.

Would Republicans actually rally in opposition?

Let them try the 'God's will' justification.

It would boldly illustrate how out of touch they are with the American people.

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DU, I have an idea re: Roe v Wade (Original Post) VoteBlue2175 Jul 2022 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2022 #1
Thank you! N/T VoteBlue2175 Jul 2022 #14
Interesting idea. TomSlick Jul 2022 #2
Thank you! N/T VoteBlue2175 Jul 2022 #15
You Would Get 2, Maybe 3 repubs To Cross Over SoCalDavidS Jul 2022 #3
It would make for some good attack ads. Maraya1969 Jul 2022 #5
I like that. Get them on record. Maraya1969 Jul 2022 #4
Recommended. H2O Man Jul 2022 #6
Life and health of the mother, rape, incest. Those were the 3 exceptions in the Bad Old Days... Hekate Jul 2022 #7
radical Republican terrorists have infested government at all levels Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #9
Good thinking. summer_in_TX Jul 2022 #8
Welcome to DU VoteBlue..n/t SheilaAnn Jul 2022 #10
Thank you! N/T VoteBlue2175 Jul 2022 #16
Sound idea duckworth969 Jul 2022 #11
100% support your idea. lark Jul 2022 #12
No. We know out of touch they are. They got us here in the first place. And arguing for exceptions WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2022 #13
Sorry, no. Hell No. There is no compromise to be had with them Hekate Jul 2022 #17

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SoCalDavidS

(10,599 posts)
3. You Would Get 2, Maybe 3 repubs To Cross Over
Wed Jul 13, 2022, 10:26 PM
Jul 2022

But still fall Far short of the 60 votes needed to bring it to an actual majority vote.

They DON'T CARE about the optics. I assure you of that.

Maraya1969

(23,448 posts)
4. I like that. Get them on record.
Wed Jul 13, 2022, 10:40 PM
Jul 2022

Let their daughters see that if they ever were in danger of losing their life because of a pregnancy their parent would absolutely allow them to die.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
7. Life and health of the mother, rape, incest. Those were the 3 exceptions in the Bad Old Days...
Wed Jul 13, 2022, 11:10 PM
Jul 2022

Cultures and countries that allowed women to DIE with a dead fetus inside them were barbaric. That allowed women to BLEED OUT were barbaric. That forced a CHILD, a LITTLE GIRL to remain pregnant were barbaric. That forced a woman to bear a RAPIST’s baby were barbaric.

THAT’s how we knew WE were not barbaric.

To be sure, we ourselves screwed up royally all those years— and then we got better, and better, and better. Contraception, for Gods’ sake. Abortion without going septic. Gay rights. LGBTQ+ rights including marriage and family.

And now we stand to lose it all, and the Barbarians will rejoice.





Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
9. radical Republican terrorists have infested government at all levels
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 02:38 AM
Jul 2022

The barbarians are well-funded and have a propaganda machine built up over decades.

It's time for all hands on deck. The majority of citizens are not barbarians:
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/


summer_in_TX

(4,064 posts)
8. Good thinking.
Wed Jul 13, 2022, 11:33 PM
Jul 2022

The anti-abortion crowd used an incremental approach. We could work bit by bit to achieve those:

Abortion as optional for victims of race and incest.

And as medically necessary for those too young to give birth safely, without permanent damage to their bodies.

lark

(25,959 posts)
12. 100% support your idea.
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 09:07 AM
Jul 2022

Out the repugs who are trying to hide the truth regarding their extremism and murderous callousness towards women. No one who votes against contraception can win, IMO.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,659 posts)
13. No. We know out of touch they are. They got us here in the first place. And arguing for exceptions
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 09:46 AM
Jul 2022

will end up hurting a lot of people: "Exception abortions" are notoriously hard to get and compromising will slow the push for full access. We protect the most vulnerable by advocating for abortion access for all.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
17. Sorry, no. Hell No. There is no compromise to be had with them
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 02:19 PM
Jul 2022

I know this is long, but I feel it had to be said to you and all those who think compromise is an option.

Our home-grown theocrats have gone so far over the line that there is no compromise. There never was any compromising with them. It never was about “babies.” If it was, someone in the legislatures writing those “no exceptions” laws would have realized that a girl who was impregnated at age 9 (she only just turned 10) is still a baby herself. It was only ever about women and not allowing us to own our own bodies and shape our own futures.

I know you mean well, but what if there had been talk of “compromise” about chattel slavery? Really — those people’s lives could have been improved with better places to sleep and limits on whipping and raping. Maybe a mess-hall with abundant healthy food. It wouldn’t be so bad.

But when something is called slavery right up front, people with a conscience will recoil. And the human soul cries out for freedom and the rights to one’s own bodies and own thoughts and actions.

Because most women and girls in this country have a decent life in 2022, it is easy to forget how we got here. The keystone of it all — without which everything collapses — is contraception.

They, the Right Wing, started redefining the most reliable forms of birth control as abortifacients years ago.

That’s when I knew it was not just about abortion, but more deeply about every social advance women have made since we got the vote. Every social advance we’ve made since Margaret Sanger went to prison for telling women how they could avoid unwanted pregnancies. (By the way, since the dawn of time women have tried to control their fertility, and have done so. Alito is a damn fool if he thinks otherwise.)

Having a prospective employer say, “But you’ll just get pregnant,” or having your current employer say straight up the reason you as a married woman can’t get that promotion is because “You’ll just get pregnant” is something that will return in a heartbeat when contraceptives are once again unavailable. Because it will once again be true.

It goes further. My grandfather, born in the 1880s, told his 3 daughters that college for them was pointless because they were just going to get married and have babies. His 3 sons went to college.

American men are in for a very rude awakening if they somehow think this is “only a woman’s issue.”

When inflation & lagging wages for men really started to bite, women had already entered the workforce in large numbers. It was the wages of married women, long considered secondary in the family budget, that propped up the middle class as long as it did.

More than one or two children completely erodes family finances: childcare and diapers and formula are incredibly expensive.

One thing I never see factored in is the destruction of public schools, with the twofold push to homeschool and/or send the kids to private schools. Who homeschools? Mothers.

The pandemic shutdown put the religious right agenda on steroids: get the moms out of career jobs and back in the home where they belong, get the kids out of public schools and into a homeschooling setting where mom is the full time teacher, divert taxes away from K-12 public schools.

And if women once again cannot reliably control their fertility, it will fall to the man of the house to be the sole provider of an ever-expanding brood.

I hate the RW GOP so much there are hardly words for it. DON’T YIELD AN INCH.


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