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OnlinePoker

(6,127 posts)
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 10:46 AM Jul 2022

BMW Heated Seats Subscription Is Real And It Costs $18 Per Month

We've been "warned" about how subscriptions could become the automotive equivalent of a video game's downloadable content, and we're beginning to see more examples. On its ConnectedDrive Store in South Korea, BMW owners can pay a monthly fee to have a creature comfort such as heated seats. It costs ₩24,000 or approximately $18 at current exchange rates. Alternatively, you can get a one-year plan for $176 or a three-year subscription for $283.

The BMW ConnectedDrive Store is a portal used by existing owners to download a variety of apps. It's all done over the air, without having to visit a dealer to have the new software installed. With heated seats, the German luxury brand is kind enough to provide a one-month test period free of charge. Should you want the feature permanently, that'll set you back $406....

...Stellantis [Chrysler] estimates it'll make a whopping $23 billion (yes, with a "b" ) a year by the end of this decade.

https://www.motor1.com/news/597376/bmw-heated-seats-subscription/
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In the future, you will not own a car. You'll own a monthly fee generator for car companies.

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BMW Heated Seats Subscription Is Real And It Costs $18 Per Month (Original Post) OnlinePoker Jul 2022 OP
This will really hurt those FoxNewsSucks Jul 2022 #1
Most likely... 2naSalit Jul 2022 #7
Self-driving is a luxury. BMW and Toyota started this gouging of existing customers on hardware. kysrsoze Jul 2022 #35
I've heard that we won't own our cars someday and just rent them jimfields33 Jul 2022 #2
Or you could buy a Subaru Legacy Thtwudbeme Jul 2022 #3
They are starting to migrate to that paradigm with remote start first. Heated seats in the future. TheBlackAdder Jul 2022 #31
Wait, you have to pay extra for the installed options to work? Novara Jul 2022 #4
Good question. 2naSalit Jul 2022 #8
That's what happens with OnStar with it's navigation features, Totally Tunsie Jul 2022 #12
I just bought a new Subaru Novara Jul 2022 #15
Good luck with your new car. Totally Tunsie Jul 2022 #18
Thanks! I'm loving it! Novara Jul 2022 #25
When that Starlink comes up for renewal complain about the price and they'll cut it by 50%. TheBlackAdder Jul 2022 #33
I just checked - I don't have it Novara Jul 2022 #37
They're installed standard, but can be controlled with remote activation. For a price. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2022 #20
wowzer... OneGrassRoot Jul 2022 #5
Brake pedals are gonna require a subscription soon. In It to Win It Jul 2022 #6
Opt to not stop Cyrano Jul 2022 #9
Freedumb... Wounded Bear Jul 2022 #13
Glad I have... 2naSalit Jul 2022 #10
Similar for lower-end Teslas too marmar Jul 2022 #11
I saw a story a while back FoxNewsSucks Jul 2022 #16
Dang. I just bought a used Lincoln Town car. shrike3 Jul 2022 #14
They do get good mileage FoxNewsSucks Jul 2022 #21
Turned out to be a good buy for us. Glad I didn't say no. shrike3 Jul 2022 #26
I've got a 10-year old hybrid Lincoln MKZ and love it! bif Jul 2022 #27
I like that feature. shrike3 Jul 2022 #49
So, if I subscribed (highly unlikely) and my seats stop heating sdfernando Jul 2022 #17
Why are heated seats necessary? LiberalFighter Jul 2022 #19
Because they feel amazing. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2022 #22
it's a creature comfort RussBLib Jul 2022 #24
But if they find out you hacked it, it will probably void your warranty OnlinePoker Jul 2022 #40
I can do without heated seats Zeitghost Jul 2022 #42
I thought the same and didn't use moonscape Jul 2022 #32
I guess you don't live in an area where it gets below freezing often Victor_c3 Jul 2022 #41
If it is that cold it means I need to dress warmly so I don't freeze when out of the car. LiberalFighter Jul 2022 #44
And not breath inside the car until it's warmed up Victor_c3 Jul 2022 #45
I have never had that problem. I don't live in a northern northern state but north enough. LiberalFighter Jul 2022 #47
This is just an internet outrage story. BMW tested that in South Korea last year and discontinued FSogol Jul 2022 #23
Thanks for pointing that out n/t Victor_c3 Jul 2022 #43
This is some seriously evil shit. Initech Jul 2022 #28
Wow. Cracklin Charlie Jul 2022 #29
Sorry I didn't show up yesterday, newdayneeded Jul 2022 #30
The ultimate swindling machine. Toyota did the same thing with remote start key fobs. kysrsoze Jul 2022 #34
I Don't Have A Problem With This IF... ruet Jul 2022 #36
Apparently the heating coils, etc, are built into every car, whether purchasers Hortensis Jul 2022 #38
I think they do that with turn signals onethatcares Jul 2022 #39
Kill this with legislation now before fees start on opening the trunk JCMach1 Jul 2022 #46
If you don't have your own racket Ron Green Jul 2022 #48

FoxNewsSucks

(11,704 posts)
1. This will really hurt those
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 10:49 AM
Jul 2022

who buy used cars. Often, for financial reasons and won't be able to afford another $100/month to keep various features working. Heated seats are just the start.

Isn't this something started by Tesla?

kysrsoze

(6,446 posts)
35. Self-driving is a luxury. BMW and Toyota started this gouging of existing customers on hardware.
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 12:28 PM
Jul 2022

Tesla hasn't yet gotten to this level of greed. Although they were assholes enough to remove already paid for services when the cars transferred ownership. You could say all this nickeling and diming started with the airlines, and flowed down to the assholes at BMW, Toyota and Tesla.

 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
2. I've heard that we won't own our cars someday and just rent them
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 10:50 AM
Jul 2022

Of course the average car payment is 750 now so may be the future is now. Lol.

 

Thtwudbeme

(7,737 posts)
3. Or you could buy a Subaru Legacy
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 10:52 AM
Jul 2022

You'll still be able to go the speed limit, have heated seats- and be able to get through snow easily.

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
31. They are starting to migrate to that paradigm with remote start first. Heated seats in the future.
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 12:20 PM
Jul 2022

.

I have a 2017 OB Touring and a 2011 OB.

Not happy about this. There's a lot of chatter on the Subaru Forums and online that they are going this route.

.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
4. Wait, you have to pay extra for the installed options to work?
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 10:53 AM
Jul 2022

Do they come standard on every car? If not, you pay for them when you buy the car. How can they charge you additional costs to use the option that's already been installed????

Totally Tunsie

(11,854 posts)
12. That's what happens with OnStar with it's navigation features,
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 11:05 AM
Jul 2022

maintenance alerts, and roadside assistance options, as well as Sirius Radio. All the screens and tech are installed, but they don't operate until the check clears.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
15. I just bought a new Subaru
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 11:17 AM
Jul 2022

I'm glad I bought a base model. It has the fancy screen but their Starlink system doesn't come standard on the base model. That's OK - It will allow me to use google maps through my phone. The screen works fine; it's just that I don't have all the subscription bells and whistles.

What a scam that other car dealers install stuff that doesn't work until they extort more money our of you!

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
33. When that Starlink comes up for renewal complain about the price and they'll cut it by 50%.
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 12:22 PM
Jul 2022

Novara

(6,115 posts)
37. I just checked - I don't have it
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 12:34 PM
Jul 2022

I have NO yearly subscriptions for my car. Thankfully!

I looked up the BMW heated seats cost and they've launched it in other countries but not here. You have to pay to disable the block they put on the software. You'd think a high end car wouldn't need to do that sort of underhanded crap.

OneGrassRoot

(23,953 posts)
5. wowzer...
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 10:55 AM
Jul 2022

I just bought (well, leased) a car. My first car-buying experience since 2002. It was quite a jarring experience. The bells and whistles are pretty cool but I had no idea it was likely to trend in this direction. Unreal.

2naSalit

(102,804 posts)
10. Glad I have...
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 11:01 AM
Jul 2022

An older BMW with heated seats. My computer is physically broken, former owner did that but cut the price a lot, and I don't need whatever it did, I guess, because the repair place can access and reset things for me. It's a good car and I like it but my true love is my '92 4runner and if I have to trim down, the Beemer goes, not the Toyota which has everything I want/need in a vehicle.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,704 posts)
16. I saw a story a while back
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 11:22 AM
Jul 2022

about a guy who bought a used "high-end" Tesla, then all the "high-end" things stopped working. He argued that he bought it "high-end" as advertised and shouldn't have to pay a fee to Tesla as the original owner already paid the "high-end" fee.

I guess they figured out a monthly extortion would be easier to enforce, and now the other car dealers are gonna do the same.

 

shrike3

(5,370 posts)
14. Dang. I just bought a used Lincoln Town car.
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 11:15 AM
Jul 2022

Which gets better gas mileage than I thought. It offers free heated seats. Yikes.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,704 posts)
21. They do get good mileage
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 11:26 AM
Jul 2022

I used to get them as loaners when I took my LS in for work. I was surprised by the mileage. One time, I had to go on a long trip and all the dealer's Town Cars were out so they gave me a 4-cyl Mercury Milan. It only got 2-3 mpg better than the Town Car.

I'm not surprised that carmakers are starting with heated seats to extort us, that may be the most important option on a car.

 

shrike3

(5,370 posts)
26. Turned out to be a good buy for us. Glad I didn't say no.
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 12:06 PM
Jul 2022

The current heated seat situation is not a good sign. I'm reminded of that line in a Tom Petty song. "The boys upstairs wanna see/How much you'll pay for what you used to get for free." Now, technically you pay for the heated seats when you buy the car, but at least they used to come with the car.

bif

(27,000 posts)
27. I've got a 10-year old hybrid Lincoln MKZ and love it!
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 12:12 PM
Jul 2022

When I fill it up, it indicates I can go 650 miles to empty!

 

shrike3

(5,370 posts)
49. I like that feature.
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 03:35 PM
Jul 2022

You know exactly where you stand. My husband likes it so much, he cleaned out the garage so I can park it indoors.

sdfernando

(6,084 posts)
17. So, if I subscribed (highly unlikely) and my seats stop heating
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 11:22 AM
Jul 2022

shouldn't BMW be on the hook for the repair?

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
19. Why are heated seats necessary?
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 11:25 AM
Jul 2022

Just like why do cars need to be warmed up first before getting in?

Crazy!

RussBLib

(10,636 posts)
24. it's a creature comfort
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 11:30 AM
Jul 2022

If it's really cold outside, heated seats are great.

Down here in Texas, our most-recent car has heated and cooled seats. Yes, we paid for the upgrade at time of purchase. It's awful nice to have A/C pumping thru your drivers seat when it's over 100 degrees outside. I would pitch a real fit if the automaker tried to charge me a monthly fee for those seats.

Paying for it over the air? That seems absurd. It's probably hackable, if one is so inclined.

OnlinePoker

(6,127 posts)
40. But if they find out you hacked it, it will probably void your warranty
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 01:44 PM
Jul 2022

You need to check the fine print in the vehicle purchase contract.

 

Zeitghost

(4,557 posts)
42. I can do without heated seats
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 02:01 PM
Jul 2022

But AC seats here in Central CA are a game changer in the summer. So much cooler.

moonscape

(5,724 posts)
32. I thought the same and didn't use
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 12:20 PM
Jul 2022

my heated seats for several years (live in a temperate climate) until I started having issues with my spine and sciatica. Now? Whoa! Helps a lot having a built-in heating pad. Use it all the time and love it now!

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
41. I guess you don't live in an area where it gets below freezing often
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 02:01 PM
Jul 2022

Especially if your car is parked outside, you have to deal with clearing ice off the windshield and the inevitable frost.

Even a clear windshield will quickly frost as soon as you get inside the car and start breathing if it’s sufficiently cold. The condensation from your breath will make the windshield fog up until it is heated.

The heater doesn’t pump out hot air until the thermostat in the engine opens up, which is usually at 190 degrees or so. Depending on your car and how cold it is outside, that could take 5-15 minutes or more.

Heated seats and steering wheels aren’t necessities, but they sure make getting into a cold car on a cold day a lot more comfortable.

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
47. I have never had that problem. I don't live in a northern northern state but north enough.
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 02:17 PM
Jul 2022

FSogol

(47,623 posts)
23. This is just an internet outrage story. BMW tested that in South Korea last year and discontinued
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 11:30 AM
Jul 2022

the program because it was unpopular. The key to avoid crap like this is to buy another product instead. If someone wants you to pay a subscription for something that should come with the product, there are plenty of other car manufacturer's that aren't trying to pull scams.

 

newdayneeded

(2,493 posts)
30. Sorry I didn't show up yesterday,
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 12:20 PM
Jul 2022

I forgot to pay for vehicle starting service on my car for this month.

kysrsoze

(6,446 posts)
34. The ultimate swindling machine. Toyota did the same thing with remote start key fobs.
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 12:26 PM
Jul 2022

Assholes.

ruet

(10,282 posts)
36. I Don't Have A Problem With This IF...
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 12:33 PM
Jul 2022

the heated seats are not a sticker item on the car at the time of purchase AND it lowers the overall costs of the manufacturers product line due to the efficiencies gained from building a single trim level rather than having to manufacture several of them. I have my doubts.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
38. Apparently the heating coils, etc, are built into every car, whether purchasers
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 01:04 PM
Jul 2022

"buy" the heated seat option (which works without subscription because they belong to the owner), or don't, with later subscription available if desired. This is apparently being sold in the UK.

Apparently encrypted codes are used to lock features, but when they did this a few years ago people found ways to hack them. Would hacking seat warmers void the whole warranty? If someone took it to court? How many would do it anyway when everyone's really ticked off?

onethatcares

(16,992 posts)
39. I think they do that with turn signals
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 01:21 PM
Jul 2022

here in Florida because it seems a lot of people can't afford to use them.

JCMach1

(29,202 posts)
46. Kill this with legislation now before fees start on opening the trunk
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 02:17 PM
Jul 2022

Or per watt price on regenerative braking...

Ridiculous

Ron Green

(9,870 posts)
48. If you don't have your own racket
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 02:41 PM
Jul 2022

You’re going to be part of somebody else’s racket.

Rent-seeking is the world we made, or rather allowed to be made for us.

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