Many red-state Trump voters say they'd be 'better off' if their state seceded from U.S.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

Red-state Donald Trump voters are now more likely to say they’d be personally “better off” (33%) than “worse off” (29%) if their state seceded from the U.S. and “became an independent country,” according to a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll.

It’s a striking rejection of national unity that dramatizes the growing culture war between Democratic- and Republican-controlled states on core issues such as guns, abortion and democracy itself. And an even larger share of red-state Trump voters say their state as a whole would be better off (35%) rather than worse off (30%) if it left the U.S.

The survey of 1,672 U.S. adults, which was conducted from July 8 to 11, comes as a series of hard-line conservative decisions by the Supreme Court — coupled with continued gridlock on Capitol Hill — have shifted America’s center of political gravity back to the states, where the parties in power are increasingly filling the federal void with far-reaching reforms of their own.

The further apart they push their states — on voting rights, on misinformation, on post-Roe regulations, on gun-safety measures — the more the country morphs into what one political analyst has described as “a federated republic of two nations: Blue Nation and Red Nation.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/poll-many-red-state-trump-voters-say-theyd-be-better-off-if-their-state-seceded-from-us-160454042.html

[nini]

1. Fine with me..

buh bye

[triron]

21. Good riddance.

[Trueblue1968]

50. to horriblstinking -- DEPLORABLE garbage !!!!!

[HAB911]

2. because they are f'ing idiots

that is all.

[MLAA]

3. They don't have enough sense to realize Blue states financially subsidize them today.

[shrike3]

7. They also don't seem to realize that SS and Medicare are federal programs.

[Mariana]

30. Most of them believe the opposite is true.

They truly believe the blue states are the parasite states.

[MLAA]

39. Exactly!

[paulkienitz]

4. Those delusional fuckwits would all end up under the heels of kleptocratic presidents-for-life,

but at least they wouldn't have to put up with wokeness.

[montanacowboy]

5. Nothing like

biting the hand that feeds you - and they get fed more than any blue state.
Dumb fucks, how long would it take for them to start bellyaching about where's my Social Security, Medicare, and the tens of millions they get off the Federal Government.

[CrispyQ]

6. Cut off all their federal funding & see how fast they change their minds.

Require them to have a passport to enter the United States. They have no idea the scope of consequences there would be for an action like that.

These people propose all sorts of shit without thinking. The problem is, they often times act on that stupid shit.

[SWBTATTReg]

8. Good, yank them off of social security and other federal programs, since anyways, the blue

states pay for a higher percentage of benefits vs. the red states.

That's one thing about 50 states and territories, is that we really don't see the dollars going in or out on a per state basis very often, all we hear about is the total federal budget (which some bemoan, but they often leave out that portion of the fed. budget that their state is receiving vs. paying for).

[ChoppinBroccoli]

9. Good Luck Surviving Without All The Tax Handouts You Get From Blue States

Red States are moochers who receive more Federal tax dollars than they pay out. Some by a huge margin. Blue States on average, pay out more Federal tax dollars than they get back in assistance. So essentially, Blue States are subsidizing these Red States and their piss-poor educational, healthcare, and other systems. Go ahead and secede. See what happens when you can't leech off of that tax money anymore.

[Haggard Celine]

10. A lot of red states, like the one where I live,

would shrivel up and die without federal money. MAGAts have no clue how much they depend on the federal government. A lot of them are personally dependent upon federal programs to survive. It's bizarre that they can't see this.

[Walleye]

11. It's just more southern bullshit. They still contest the outcome of the Civil War

[billh58]

20. The same mindset today as then:

"War of Northern Aggression." They still don't want to give up their slaves...

[Walleye]

23. So fucking true

[Walleye]

25. Bill Clinton said every boy brought up in the south knew the story of Sherman's march to the sea

And yet they are even now objecting to the teaching of the history of slavery in school

[billh58]

31. Very true.

The racist decendents of the cabal that assassinated Lincoln are up to their necks in TFG's continuing coup attempt. They carried their battle flag through the Capitol on Jan 6 like the good KKK cultists they are.

[Walleye]

36. It took them 160 years but they got that flag in there

[RANDYWILDMAN]

12. We would be better off, if they disconnected from the matrix

Shit, they quit thinking for themselves years ago.

[onecaliberal]

13. Let them go. Strip every dime of federal funding Immediately.

[JenniferJuniper]

14. Tired of supporting them. Go already.

[Irish_Dem]

15. The GOP wants total control over blue states, but still expects blue states to fund them.

[no_hypocrisy]

16. Because they got screwed at Appomattox.

And Jim Crowe died.

They want to legally discriminate and lynch again.

[Farmer-Rick]

17. Those fools don't understand what that means

It means no more Social Security.

No more subsidies for Medicaid

No more Medicare.

No more food stamps or whatever they are calling it now.

No more federal subsides for roads, hospitals, emergency relief, agriculture, airports, law enforcement and hundreds of programs the federal government subsidies.

It means vastly lowered or No minimum wage, labor protection, disability, workman's compensation and unemployment compensation.

It means 33% reduced forestry services. You know all those tourist destinations that bring millions to states like in the Great Smokie Mountains.

I hate it when polls make it sound so easy to secede.

It would be worse then Brexit because the UK was not getting subsidies from the EU and the EU wasn't funding part of their citizen's retirements.

It's a completely stupid idea. Even the filthy rich would lose money on such a deal.

[jaysunb]

18. Delusional. Nt

[Wounded Bear]

19. Yeah because the last time they tried that it worked out so well...

[Nevilledog]

22. How about we give them a travel allowance and a ticket to Russia or Hungary?

[nevergiveup]

24. Is there as "Go Fund Me" to help them do it?

I got a couple of extra bucks I could send.

[keithbvadu2]

26. Build your own wall. Pay your share of the national debt on the way out.

Build your own wall. Pay your share of the national debt on the way out.

[spanone]

27. They are clueless.

n/t

[Kid Berwyn]

28. They can leave.

The land stays USA.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. Do they realize if they secede they aren't getting their SS and Medicare benefits?

[JHB]

42. Would that actually be true? If an SS recipient moves to another country and becomes a citizen there

...(and isn't dual-citizenship), are they then cut off from social security?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. That's different than living in a state that seceded which is illegal.

[totodeinhere]

32. Let them go and good riddance. n/t

[muriel_volestrangler]

33. And a money-making opportunity opens up for Boris Johnson just in time!

Get on the convention and lecture circuit in the deep-red states, telling them what marvellous opportunities await them if they stride out on their own. Hell, he was born in the USA (even if in deepest-blue NYC), so he can probably apply for his citizenship back! Just negotiate any old trading protocol with the old union, with the intention of breaking it quickly, just don't tell the voters ...

[emulatorloo]

34. They should buy Greenland w Trump's money and move there.

No Joke: Trump Really Does Want To Buy Greenland
August 19, 20192:32 AM ET

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/19/752274659/no-joke-trump-really-does-want-to-buy-greenland

[BlueIdaho]

35. Ignorance is bliss.

Let them try and survive w/o federal dollars - just let them.

[treestar]

37. what happened to their wartime patriotism?

How are their little states going to be big time military powers?

[PortTack]

38. And we in the blue states would really like to see you leave!

[ProfessorGAC]

40. Then They'd Be Wrong

Most of these red states have state governments highly dependent on federal money. Out of the union, even if Texas& Florida went with them, most would default on loans & bonds in 3 years or less.

Red states dominate the top 10. Eight of the 10 states most dependent on the federal government traditionally vote Republican. New Mexico (No. 2) is the only state in the top 10 to vote for the Democratic candidate in any of the last six presidential elections. Maine (No. 8), which splits its delegates, has voted for both Democrats and Republicans in the recent elections.

https://smartasset.com/data-studies/states-most-dependent-on-the-federal-government-2022

[JHB]

43. TX and FL would also be hit with departure of military bases and other federal facilities

Launch your own rockets, DeSantis.

[ProfessorGAC]

49. Agreed, But Different Form Of Dependency

The article i linked is about how the state government is financially dependent on federal money.
But, there's no doubt there's overall economic dependency in those states.
Here's a good site that ranks states both ways. This is actually the one i meant to go to. I have it bookmarked but forgot that.
https://sipanews.fiu.edu/2021/03/24/2021s-most-least-federally-dependent-states/

[Boomerproud]

41. Clueless as always.

Buh bye .

[Sky Jewels]

44. But how could they leech off the blue states if they secede?

[FSogol]

45. I think their states would be better off if they filled their pockets with rocks and walked into a

pond.

[Marthe48]

46. Go

Just go. I'll stay with the progressive Blue Nation that aligns with my European background and my sense of decency.

[tishaLA]

47. They call themselves patriots and want to secede from the nation

seemingly oblivious to what "patriotism" means.

[durablend]

48. Good riddance

Get the hell out and call yourselves Usfuckistan.