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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMany red-state Trump voters say they'd be 'better off' if their state seceded from U.S.
Red-state Donald Trump voters are now more likely to say theyd be personally better off (33%) than worse off (29%) if their state seceded from the U.S. and became an independent country, according to a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll.
Its a striking rejection of national unity that dramatizes the growing culture war between Democratic- and Republican-controlled states on core issues such as guns, abortion and democracy itself. And an even larger share of red-state Trump voters say their state as a whole would be better off (35%) rather than worse off (30%) if it left the U.S.
The survey of 1,672 U.S. adults, which was conducted from July 8 to 11, comes as a series of hard-line conservative decisions by the Supreme Court coupled with continued gridlock on Capitol Hill have shifted Americas center of political gravity back to the states, where the parties in power are increasingly filling the federal void with far-reaching reforms of their own.
The further apart they push their states on voting rights, on misinformation, on post-Roe regulations, on gun-safety measures the more the country morphs into what one political analyst has described as a federated republic of two nations: Blue Nation and Red Nation.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/poll-many-red-state-trump-voters-say-theyd-be-better-off-if-their-state-seceded-from-us-160454042.html
nini
(16,832 posts)buh bye
triron
(22,240 posts)Trueblue1968
(19,291 posts)HAB911
(10,497 posts)that is all.
MLAA
(19,776 posts)shrike3
(5,370 posts)Mariana
(15,629 posts)They truly believe the blue states are the parasite states.
paulkienitz
(1,514 posts)but at least they wouldn't have to put up with wokeness.
montanacowboy
(6,724 posts)biting the hand that feeds you - and they get fed more than any blue state.
Dumb fucks, how long would it take for them to start bellyaching about where's my Social Security, Medicare, and the tens of millions they get off the Federal Government.
CrispyQ
(41,032 posts)Require them to have a passport to enter the United States. They have no idea the scope of consequences there would be for an action like that.
These people propose all sorts of shit without thinking. The problem is, they often times act on that stupid shit.
SWBTATTReg
(26,344 posts)states pay for a higher percentage of benefits vs. the red states.
That's one thing about 50 states and territories, is that we really don't see the dollars going in or out on a per state basis very often, all we hear about is the total federal budget (which some bemoan, but they often leave out that portion of the fed. budget that their state is receiving vs. paying for).
ChoppinBroccoli
(3,900 posts)Red States are moochers who receive more Federal tax dollars than they pay out. Some by a huge margin. Blue States on average, pay out more Federal tax dollars than they get back in assistance. So essentially, Blue States are subsidizing these Red States and their piss-poor educational, healthcare, and other systems. Go ahead and secede. See what happens when you can't leech off of that tax money anymore.
Haggard Celine
(17,871 posts)would shrivel up and die without federal money. MAGAts have no clue how much they depend on the federal government. A lot of them are personally dependent upon federal programs to survive. It's bizarre that they can't see this.
Walleye
(45,163 posts)billh58
(6,655 posts)"War of Northern Aggression." They still don't want to give up their slaves...
Walleye
(45,163 posts)Walleye
(45,163 posts)And yet they are even now objecting to the teaching of the history of slavery in school
billh58
(6,655 posts)The racist decendents of the cabal that assassinated Lincoln are up to their necks in TFG's continuing coup attempt. They carried their battle flag through the Capitol on Jan 6 like the good KKK cultists they are.
Walleye
(45,163 posts)RANDYWILDMAN
(3,170 posts)Shit, they quit thinking for themselves years ago.
onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)JenniferJuniper
(4,573 posts)Irish_Dem
(81,934 posts)no_hypocrisy
(55,152 posts)And Jim Crowe died.
They want to legally discriminate and lynch again.
Farmer-Rick
(12,730 posts)It means no more Social Security.
No more subsidies for Medicaid
No more Medicare.
No more food stamps or whatever they are calling it now.
No more federal subsides for roads, hospitals, emergency relief, agriculture, airports, law enforcement and hundreds of programs the federal government subsidies.
It means vastly lowered or No minimum wage, labor protection, disability, workman's compensation and unemployment compensation.
It means 33% reduced forestry services. You know all those tourist destinations that bring millions to states like in the Great Smokie Mountains.
I hate it when polls make it sound so easy to secede.
It would be worse then Brexit because the UK was not getting subsidies from the EU and the EU wasn't funding part of their citizen's retirements.
It's a completely stupid idea. Even the filthy rich would lose money on such a deal.
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)Wounded Bear
(64,464 posts)Nevilledog
(55,103 posts)nevergiveup
(4,815 posts)I got a couple of extra bucks I could send.
keithbvadu2
(40,915 posts)Build your own wall. Pay your share of the national debt on the way out.
spanone
(141,886 posts)n/t
Kid Berwyn
(24,769 posts)The land stays USA.
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,938 posts)JHB
(38,274 posts)...(and isn't dual-citizenship), are they then cut off from social security?
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,938 posts)totodeinhere
(13,688 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(106,411 posts)Get on the convention and lecture circuit in the deep-red states, telling them what marvellous opportunities await them if they stride out on their own. Hell, he was born in the USA (even if in deepest-blue NYC), so he can probably apply for his citizenship back! Just negotiate any old trading protocol with the old union, with the intention of breaking it quickly, just don't tell the voters ...
emulatorloo
(46,155 posts)August 19, 20192:32 AM ET
https://www.npr.org/2019/08/19/752274659/no-joke-trump-really-does-want-to-buy-greenland
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Let them try and survive w/o federal dollars - just let them.
treestar
(82,383 posts)How are their little states going to be big time military powers?
PortTack
(35,820 posts)ProfessorGAC
(77,023 posts)Most of these red states have state governments highly dependent on federal money. Out of the union, even if Texas& Florida went with them, most would default on loans & bonds in 3 years or less.
https://smartasset.com/data-studies/states-most-dependent-on-the-federal-government-2022
JHB
(38,274 posts)Launch your own rockets, DeSantis.
ProfessorGAC
(77,023 posts)The article i linked is about how the state government is financially dependent on federal money.
But, there's no doubt there's overall economic dependency in those states.
Here's a good site that ranks states both ways. This is actually the one i meant to go to. I have it bookmarked but forgot that.
https://sipanews.fiu.edu/2021/03/24/2021s-most-least-federally-dependent-states/
Boomerproud
(9,333 posts)Buh bye .
Sky Jewels
(9,148 posts)FSogol
(47,642 posts)pond.
Marthe48
(23,303 posts)Just go. I'll stay with the progressive Blue Nation that aligns with my European background and my sense of decency.
tishaLA
(14,787 posts)seemingly oblivious to what "patriotism" means.
durablend
(9,321 posts)Get the hell out and call yourselves Usfuckistan.