Check-in if you think the conspiracy theories swirling around DU regarding Ivana are ridiculous.

[demmiblue]

[Blue_Adept]

1. Some of it gives a real freeper vibe.

[FarPoint]

15. Of course....

this is the distraction element...

[mahatmakanejeeves]

2. Ridiculous, sure, but not unexpected. NT

[SickOfTheOnePct]

3. Simultaneously

Creepy and disappointing

[doc03]

4. Don't know I don't read them. nt

[Walleye]

6. If it was a spiral staircase and there was liquor and high heels involved, I don't suspect foul play

[Emile]

19. +1 Spot On!

People fall down stairs everyday. My daughter-in-laws grandmother died falling down her stairs. It happens!

[Rebl2]

62. Similar thing

happened many years ago to a friend of my parents. He went out on back porch and started down some steps, fell and hit his head and died. Think he was in his late 70’s or early 80’s.

[GoCubsGo]

20. Yup, it's usually the most obvious explanation.

And, at her age, it can only take one of the above to send her tumbling. It doesn't even have to be a spiral staircase. Just a regular, old straight one is sufficient. Hell, at any age, any one of those things could cause a fall.

[Random Boomer]

74. My best friend is a widow

My best friend is a widow because her husband -- in his early 70s -- tripped on the stairs on his way to dinner. It happens all too often, especially for those of us who are over 60.

[Walleye]

79. I know I've fallen more times than I care to admit and at 73, I've become really careful

Hold that handrail

[Kaleva]

86. I go down to the basement now backwards and hold on to the steps with my right hand

It doesn't have a rail.

[Walleye]

87. Good job. Whatever it takes

[ripcord]

90. You have to remember

A number of people think occam's razor is made by Gillette.

[snowybirdie]

7. She was a silly old woman who married playboys

And liked to drink. Nuf said!

[mahatmakanejeeves]

10. She was 28 when she married Donald Trump.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivana_Trump#Marriage_to_Donald_Trump

[AkFemDem]

16. The poster didn't say she was old when she married him

They said she was a silly old woman (she was) who married playboys (she did)

[BlackSkimmer]

25. She was also an excellent skier.

Little known fact.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

36. Apparently she didn't ski too good down those stairs.

Too soon?

[NanceGreggs]

40. Too soon, yes ...

... but still hilarious!

[LittleGirl]

57. I giggled and then blushed. :-) nt

[Rebl2]

64. Yes

[rampartc]

75. maybe she should have taken the escalator

[genxlib]

8. Agreed

It is undignified and disrespectful to the deceased.

We should be better than that.

Clearly we have elements that want to believe the worst without any evidence

The least we can do is police ourselves and call them out for the bullshit. Thanks for leading the effort.

[NanceGreggs]

9. You'll eat those words ...

... when it's proven that JFK Jr. came back from the dead and murdered Ivana because she didn't want him to be Trump's VP in 2024, and a search of her apartment turns up all those missing ballots that prove Trump won by a landslide in 2020 - all neatly stuffed into her collection of Mike Lindell pillows.

[demmiblue]

11. !

[Thtwudbeme]

21. Or that Melania did it because Ivana finally proved once and for all

that SHE was the real First Lady of the US, and the name Ivana Trump will go into the history books alongside Jackie Kennedy, Nancy Reagan, Lady Bird Johnson....and the name "Melania" will forever be associated with ever enlarging "kidneys," horrid red Christmas trees and a destroyed beloved rose garden.

[NanceGreggs]

26. That's as good a theory ...

... as the rest of those I've read here tonight!

Honestly, it's sad to see some people getting dangerously close to Sydney Powell/Rudy Giuliani CT territory. I'm waiting for Ivana's possession of Hunter Biden's laptop to get thrown into the mix.

[Ahna KneeMoose]

35. As Stated Previously (On DU And) From ABC News (Saturday 14 July 2022)

Ivana Trump was found unconscious and unresponsive at the bottom of a set of stairs in her apartment, according to police sources. The police are investigating whether she fell and (if so) whether the fall contributed in any way to her death, the sources said.

Police also found a bump on her head that 'seemed-to-match' the dent in a laptop belonging to Hunter Biden near the top of the stairs. A medical examiner will determine her cause of death, police said.

[Maeve]

29. It's nice to see that all neatly tied up together!!

Thread winner!!!

[MerryBlooms]

54. 😄

[cab67]

60. JFK jr's dead?

You sure about that? ‘Cause I heard he was seen stuffing ballot boxes in Arizona in 2020. He was seen wearing his self-designed respirator that filters out whatever’s in contrails.

[48656c6c6f20]

12. With the Putin and tfg connection?

I wouldn't discount it. Uncle Polonium is probably number two on his speed dial.

[BlackSkimmer]

63. It really was. Some here were just apoplectic about it.

[Aviation Pro]

14. Who found her and called it in?

What are the odds that on the day Bloated Tick and spawn were set to give their depositions that this happened?

[Hugin]

22. ...

Dude, Cassandra takes her licks. This is similar to back in 2015 when I laid out what was in store for Roe on down. I’m done with it. FAFO turns out to be the human condition.

[onenote]

24. The depositions were scheduled to start Friday at earliest. She died Thursday

[Ilsa]

46. What was she being deposed for?

Hasn't she been out of the trump family business for awhile?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

48. Trump and his kid's deposition were supposed to be today,

but they were postponed for a few days by the NYAG.

[NanceGreggs]

59. Ah ha!

There it is - the motive for Trump having Ivana knocked-off. He got his deposition postponed for a few days.

Sometimes the reason for resorting to murder is just that obvious!

[Tree-Hugger]

17. DU's own Q

Last edited Sat Jul 16, 2022, 09:50 AM - Edit history (1)

DU Q? DUQ?

Some of the same people who post, "how do these Q people believe this shit?" are now wearing their own tinfoil.

[Hortensis]

30. :) Well, maybe not the SAME ones. It's likely those who become sure

sinister patterns and links must exist even if no one can see them always had this tendency and that it tends to be triggered by any subject that pushes paranoiac conspiracy buttons. Evident when manifested by enough members to stand out.

Very different type from those who lack it. Would never occur to most that an unimportant 73-YO woman who received her divorce settlement a few decades ago might be murdered by tRump to create an excuse for rescheduling his deposition, but...hey! Clueless brigade meet tinfoil brigade.

[cab67]

66. We now have a word for DU members who latch on to conspiracy theories -

Duck.

[AkFemDem]

18. Next up- burgergate

When we start talking about hidden messages about human trafficking in fast food signs.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

23. How else are DUers expected to meet their daily quota of ageist and sexist comments? NY

[BlackSkimmer]

27. This.

I've seen plenty.

[Tree-Hugger]

52. +1 nt

[Kid Berwyn]

28. Not as ridiculous as those who ridicule others' opinions.

Shutting down discussion is undemocratic.

You don’t agree, or even like, what someone wrote, fine! State why.

Who thought Trump would try to incapacitate Pence long enough to delay the electoral vote count long enough for Grassley to step in and toss the presidential election to the state legislatures? “I’m not getting in that car.”

Theirs was a multi-branch, multi-agency, lots of Republicans conspiracy the likes of which the people of United States had never seen, but John Eastman, Jeffrey Clark and MF45 were too dumb to pull off.

Thank Elvis for DUers and all the rest of the citizenry online, offline, in government and out, from across the US who resisted. They weren’t afraid of talking about a conspiracy. Their weapon? The truth. It stopped a seditious conspiracy of traitors plotting to overturn an election and overthrow the Constitution.

[Iggo]

67. An important part of having a discussion with people who are saying stupid shit...

…is suggesting they stop saying stupid shit.

[ecstatic]

91. But who gets to determine what stupid shit is?

Remember how 2 years ago it was "stupid" to say that covid-19 came about from a lab accident? Now various agencies, including WHO, are doubling back to further investigate that angle.

Several years ago, it was "stupid" to suggest that tfg was going to try to install himself as president for life. And that was exactly what he tried to do, and he was willing to kill pence in order to do it. Is it stupid to say that as well?

Also, UFO discussions were stupid as well.

The problem is, many people conflate "stupid" with topics that make them uncomfortable to think about.

[RAB910]

31. This woman's claim to fame was marrying a dirtbag and producing 3 horrible children

her passing is hardly news worthy, much less then stuff to spawn conspiracy theories

[blueinredohio]

32. I really don't care, do you?

[Emile]

33. Bwhaha +1

Then there is that too!

[WA-03 Democrat]

37. Ha!

I could not imagine when I would where that coat - BUT this - this calls for nothing less or else!

I Don’t Care
Do You?

May she Rest In Peace.

[plimsoll]

45. Finally!

She's a trumps ex-wife. Other than being tabloid fodder why is this even relevant. Leave it to fox.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

34. Yeah, it really is getting ridiculous.

And here I thought that we were supposed to be the critical thinking ones.

[Ocelot II]

38. I agree.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Or an older woman falls down the stairs by accident.* For all of TFG's multitude of crimes, sins and transgressions, the most unlikely would be the murder of a woman from whom he was divorced some 30 years ago after producing three awful children - for the purpose of postponing a deposition by a few days? Come on, people. Don't make DU look like Q.


*I'm old, and every time I start down my stairs I wonder if this is the time they'll finally get me, and I'll fall to my death and my cat will eat me before anybody finds what's left of me.

[Chainfire]

41. I will give up on the conspiracy theories when I find out if Bill and Hillary have

an alibi for the night the woman was murdered.

[twodogsbarking]

42. I didn't really know the woman. May have had my picture taken without her.

[Generic Brad]

43. Semi-immobile frail people sometimes fall

That is the most likely of all possibilities. Her death is a mystery even the Scooby Doo gang would take a pass on.

[Farmer-Rick]

44. Is this going to happen when his other wives die too?

It's kind of funny. She had practically no political impact.

At least the one sex worker he married messed up some political crap, but not so much this wife.

[PJMcK]

47. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Ivana died of a heart attack and a fall down a flight of stairs.

Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to explain themselves in great detail. Or shut up.

Democrats are better than this crap.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

49. +100. nt

[dameatball]

50. A few years ago I sold my beautiful old two story farmhouse. The bedrooms all being upstairs was

one of the reasons why. I was 68 at the time and I had an old dog with a weak bladder. Going up and down those stairs in the night was getting pretty iffy. Consequently I reserve judgement on this "story."

[oldsoftie]

53. I keep telling my friends to STOP building 2 story homes at our age!!

They're going to regret that "forever home" as they get older

[dameatball]

58. Yeah, it is certainly something to think at least twice about.

[Kaleva]

78. I recently fall down the stairs to the basement

I was at the top with my bad left leg forward and it went out and away I went. The boxes I had thrown down the stairs earlier acted as a buffer and my head didn't hit the cement floor but my left shoulder was shattered and I had it replaced a couple of weeks ago.

I now type with one hand and it's going to be that way for awhile.

[dameatball]

80. Yikes. I guess you were lucky(?) though. Glad you are recovering. Falls are serious business.

[Kaleva]

85. An elderly neighbor fell in her backyard and broke her shoulder and hip.

At least I can walk around and do things like drive to the store and get groceries.

[oldsoftie]

82. OMG thats scary. Hope recovery is quick & perfect!

[Kaleva]

84. It's going to be about a year before I can expect to get full range of motion back

In the meantime, I'm adapting to the one armed thug life.

[oldsoftie]

51. I called it!

[hay rick]

55. Frivolous but sadly plausible. nt

[txwhitedove]

56. BUT, considering the bottomless pit of weird shit that happens around, by, because of

tRump, I certainly understand why people wonder. I never thought I would see a hangman's noose on Capitol grounds with Americans shouting to hang our Vice President, and more.

[Hotler]

61. We have a forum for this stuff called Creative Speculation in the Off Beat forum, I think. nt

[Fla Dem]

65. Agree, but also think .....

some of the catty comments about her in this post are beneath the usually high standards of DU.

Regardless of her relationship she was a human being, who other than being in the Trump storyline, as far as I'm aware never committed any nefarious or heinous acts against anyone.

She was a 73 year old (not entirely ancient by today standards) with children and grandchildren. Yes I know, her children are despicable. She stayed pretty much out of the Trump spotlight after her divorce in 1992.

[Elessar Zappa]

69. Here!

It makes DU look foolish.

[Seinan Sensei]

70. Apophenia

The perception of, or belief in, connectedness among unrelated phenomena

[Scrivener7]

71. LOL! OK, but it's my belief that ANYTHING that involves tfg has a crime attached

to it.

Did he brush his teeth this morning? Somewhere in there, you'll find a crime.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

72. ...

Did he brush his teeth this morning? Somewhere in there, you'll find a crime.

He probably brushed his teeth with cocaine.

[ShazzieB]

73. "Check-in if you think the conspiracy theories swirling around DU regarding Ivana are ridiculous."

*RAISES HAND*

I sure hope it dies down quickly.

[RoeVWade]

76. The most interesting thing is the reason given for granting Ivana's divorce

" Her "divorce was granted on the grounds of “cruel and inhuman treatment” of Ivana. She also had been issued a gag order that bars her from discussing her marriage to Trump without his permission."

[Kaleva]

77. From the TOS : "No kooky, extremist, or hate content"

"Do not promote ridiculous, bigoted, or extreme-fringe conspiracy theories. Do not promote extreme fringe views. Do not reference hate sites or other extremist/fringe sources.
Why we have this rule: Democrats are supposed to be part of the "reality-based community." Some amount of skepticism toward powerful institutions is healthy and appropriate, but that doesn't mean every paranoid fantasy is true. Posts about mass shootings being "false flag" operations, 9/11 being a controlled demolition, no airplane at the Pentagon, chemtrails, black helicopters, the Illuminati, or other nonsense make us all look like fools. This website may have the word "underground" in our name, but we are not extreme fringe."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice


The Skepticism, Science & Pseudoscience Group would be a better place for such if allowed.

[demmiblue]

88. Yeah, juries need to work on enforcing that one. n/t

[ripcord]

93. The juries run more on personel opinion than the rules

[brooklynite]

83. Well, I think ALL the conspiracy theories swirling around DU are ridiculous.

Far too many people start with the assertion “Trump would…” rather than the question “why would…?”

[dweller]

89. ummmmm

✌🏻

[ecstatic]

92. I don't know. None of us do.

By definition, he's a psychopath, so it's not something I could rule out like others have. He is capable of anything because he has no conscience, empathy nor any type of moral compass.

Those who have completely ruled out tfg's involvement still don't seem to understand who we are dealing with. You're bringing in irrelevant examples about how people can fall down the steps. Obviously that's true, but you're missing the point and still failing to understand just how dangerous and depraved tfg is.

His hearing has been delayed for just a few days, that is true, but if something else happens during those few days that stops the case entirely, maybe then that will shed more light on the situation.

That said, I'm not out here saying and thinking that he killed her. Honestly, I think it's unlikely... for now. But I'm pushing back on this OP because the suggestion that tfg was involved in Ivana's death is not stupid if you've been paying attention and if you understand how dangerous tfg is. He tried to have all of Congress killed just last year.