AOC: If you want to know what subconscious bias looks like, it's a headline saying...

[demmiblue]

EDIT: The actual tweet (I couldn't post it originally because I was having issues w/Twitter. It is from 2019):

Link to tweet

[50 Shades Of Blue]

1. Straight white conservative Christian men are the default group... everybody else is

an afterthought that may or may not get "special" mention.

[Traildogbob]

11. Check out

A song by Todd Snider, “Conservative Christian Right Wing Republican, Straight White American Male”. I may get AR’d playing that song in my set list. I have to be carful to READ the Crowd. That’s pretty easy, they have a look. Too much red or any hat that’s red, I will play some Lee Greenwood……….NOT!!!!! Fuck em. They never come to my venues, usually micro breweries. They don’t sell Bud Light, Bush, or Natty light, and the TV’s never show NASCAR or Fox and. I pool tables.
Great Song, check it out. Todd’s a great genius lyricist.

[soldierant]

36. OK. I did

Maybe I can save others a little time ...

Lyrics
https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/toddsnider/conservativechristianrightwingrepublicanstraightwhiteamericanmales.html


Video

[Traildogbob]

37. Here's another

Last edited Sat Jul 16, 2022, 08:10 PM - Edit history (1)

In my set list that is so “now” appropriate. Shawn Mullins, “Apocalyptic Blues.” The shit he speaks of is about to go down. Cheers. Thanks for the Video share. Seen him 4 times at the Orange Peel in Asheville. (pre Covid) (I’m on the tree huggin Hippie side of Todd’s song🥴
Correction: “PreApocaliptic Blues” sorry. Auto correct did not like the pre part.

[2Gingersnaps]

68. Oh that is adorable!

I may have to own a few of those adjectives!

[Docreed2003]

44. That's a great song

Would suggest a couple songs from a group called "My Politic". The first "Short Sighted People in power" and the second "Fantasies of a Fox News Viewer".

[Traildogbob]

45. Thank you

I will. Cheers.

[soldierant]

49. Thanks. I will

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I'm a bit rushed tonight, but I will.

On edit - I found the lyics to both you mentioned here (RNC Blues is also there.0
http://www.mypoliticmusic.com/lyrics-chords

And I found their YouTube channel, but none of those recorded. Bookmarking anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/user/MyPoliticMusic/videos

Thanks again.

[Traildogbob]

58. Hey thanks a bunch

For the heads up on “The Politic”. Lovin it. Picked a few I will learn and add to my sets. “Talkin RNC Blues” cracks me up. Great find, I may get killed, but we all live in danger now, right. Thanks again, cheers to ya.

[Docreed2003]

61. You're most welcome

I had the chance to hear them for the first time a couple months ago at a charity event here in Nashville for Planned Parenthood. They are great and both of them are incredibly down to earth and really humble.

[Traildogbob]

63. Wow

In Nashville for Planned Parenthood. I will no longer whine about me being in danger here playing political music. Kudos for their bravery. Thanks again. Gonna be looking for em.

[cayugafalls]

65. Todd is a national treasure. He even does PSA's from time to time... ;-)

[Traildogbob]

67. Thank you

He is my very favorite. Never saw this. He ALWAYS has Good story’s at his shows. Not recommended for kids but great fir us adults. We need to laugh, and spin around a lot more.

[cayugafalls]

69. We need to laugh, and spin around a lot more. Dang Traildogbob...so true.

[Traildogbob]

70. 🤜🤛

[ananda]

35. And nowadays they are by default criminals and need laws to keep them in line...

....

[Magoo48]

54. More like they are the--At Fault--group.

[Maraya1969]

2. Women, nonwhites and 18-34 year olds are a lot of people!

[ProfessorGAC]

16. Even Ignoring The Age Demographic...

...women & nonwhite describes 69% of the population. Adjust for white males in that age group & she's likely net positive with 80-85% of people.
If the headline she references is real, it's pretty stupid.

[caraher]

34. Couldn't find it as a headline

I think it's a critique of a FOX news article (won't post link because of DU rules) that includes, toward the end, the following:

She’s also favored by adults 18 to 34, people of color and women. Yet she’s facing a favorability deficit among men (-24), whites (-24), and adults 55 or older (-22).

The actual headline is even more misleading: "Ocasio-Cortez's 'unfavorable' rating skyrockets, with most people viewing her negatively: poll"

[Celerity]

52. Here is the Tweet referenced. It was deleted, but the internet remembers.

https://tinyurl.com/38ffyywm

[caraher]

71. Ah, so a tweet

Since AOC referred to a headline I expected a news source (or should I say "news source" with scare quotes?).

[Celerity]

72. I do not know if that tweet was refencing an article headline or not

but the tweet link is in AOC's tweet
it just was deleted, so I have to dig around for it




here are some of the headlines about the Gallup poll

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez polls like Donald Trump: Poorly

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/16/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-polls-like-trump-poll-of-the-week/index.html

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s Unfavorable Rating Climbs: Gallup

The congresswoman’s high profile so early in her term is exceeded only by that of Hillary Clinton in 2001, Gallup says.

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2019-03-15/alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-unfavorable-rating-climbs-gallup

and of course, the most biased of them all, Fucks Newz:

Ocasio-Cortez's 'unfavorable' rating skyrockets, with most people viewing her negatively: poll

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ocasio-cortezs-unfavorable-rating-sky-rockets-most-people-view-her-negatively-new-poll-shows

here is that twitter account's (@NumbersMuncher) 2nd tweet back then btw, as I showed they deleted the first one (the one AOC referenced) and tossed up a revised version

Link to tweet

[karynnj]

64. From the tweet, she is minus 10 over all people

Seeing that she is plus 4 among all women, she is obviously worse than minus 14 for all men, as women are slightly more than 50 percent of the population.

There is even a bigger difference between old people and young people.

[ZonkerHarris]

29. 18-34 is the "key demo" for all advertising and matters the most in ads and TV ratings

[gulliver]

3. I think it's usually called "unconscious bias" if I'm not mistaken

I'm generally opposed to the concept of groups and, even more, to the concept of talking about whether one is underwater or above water with "them." I like data and, when it comes to conclusions, especially rhetorical implications, I like to see the work used to obtain the answer provided. This is not AOC at her best, IMO.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

4. Dateline: 9:18 AM · Mar 16, 2019

[Pinback]

42. Still accurate, I imagine.

Welcome to DU!

[stopdiggin]

60. but still begs the question

why coming back around now - on DU? Like Alex - but feeling a little bit stupid that I've just spent 10 minutes on something she said 3 years ago.

(Note: the OP has now been edited to reflect)

[retread]

5. I don't think it's "subconscious" or "unconscious" at all. It's just another example of the

relentless barrage of propaganda raining down on us all..

[ZZenith]

32. Thank you.

[SunImp]

40. If it targets Leadership it's considered "Bashing" If it targets anyone else

"It's just facts & I'm going to attack that person & negatively generalize people I think support them." Why can't we just stop all that & just focus on beating Republicans?

[Biophilic]

6. That's amazing and what really tics me off

is that I'm not sure I ever would have understood why that statement about "everyone except" irritated me so much. Damn these things are so deeply embedded. Yeah, I've been living it for 76 years, but most of those years I was at least half way awake and tried to see through the mists. These are hard times we are living through, but it sure it bringing the shit to the surface and making it easier to see and understand what's been going on for ever.

[Lovie777]

7. And that's a fact jack . . .

[spanone]

8. ...K&R...

[dhol82]

9. When you open the tweet it says that it was deleted by the original author

Does that mean AOC decided it was a bad tweet?

[demmiblue]

12. No, it means that the person she is replying to (NumbersMuncher) deleted their own tweet. n/t

[dhol82]

13. Thank you.

[demmiblue]

15. De nada!

[Joinfortmill]

10. LOL

[SergeStorms]

14. Don't EVER try to put down AOC!

The woman will tear you to shreds.

[Upthevibe]

17. Kick. N/T

[PWPippinesq]

18. She is brilliant!

And, definitely a Presidential contender someday.

[MinisterPathos]

25. We can only hope!

Articulate. Educated. Caring.

[sop]

19. That's constitutional originalism.

[MinisterPathos]

24. Could not agree more

They want it, they get it with her!

[Solly Mack]

20. K&R

[Patton French]

21. It's simply bias...

Forget subconscious.

[MinisterPathos]

22. Say it like it is.

We need a few more of her.

[BlackSkimmer]

23. K and r. nt

[Midnight Writer]

26. It's not "subconscious". Many people will only register the "underwater with every group" phrase.

Their mind will see that phrase and their comprehension will go no further.

Media professionals know this. In fact, they count on it and many craft their "news stories" around it.

An old advertising trick. They know people will read "Nine out of ten dentists recommend Puke-It-Up gum" and miss the part that says "for their patients who chew gum".

[LakeArenal]

27. The exact groups that created the 2018 Blue Wave...

Got it.

White people are going to lose 2022 by those same people.

[Tickle]

28. The only issue I have with AOC

is that 35 is so not old.

I'm double that so you can imagine my surprise

[Celerity]

38. Where did she say 35 is old?

[Progressive dog]

30. This poll was from the same time period

but the headline doesn't match.

Poll of the week: A new Gallup poll finds that Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has a 31% favorable rating and a 41% unfavorable rating. This makes for a -10 point net favorability rating (favorable - unfavorable).

This poll is very similar to a February Fox News poll, which gave Ocasio-Cortez a -13 point net favorability rating because of a 26% favorable rating and a 39% unfavorable rating.

Headline

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez polls like Donald Trump: Poorly

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/16/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-polls-like-trump-poll-of-the-week/index.html

[stopdiggin]

59. net negatives are not something to write home about

in general terms. (although an awful lot of politicians deal with them - and the parties themselves are so far underwater as to need dive chambers). But Ocasio-Cortez did a clever job of 'spinning' this one. Smart cookie.

[Bucky]

62. Compared to Congress's overall net negative polling, she's kicking ass

[Ferrets are Cool]

31. Ding, ding, ding

[IronLionZion]

33. Some people are openly in denial of the diversity of America

it's comical and frustrating at the same time

[Lucinda]

39. ❤️ ✿❧🌿❧✿ ❤️

[Hiawatha Pete]

41. K&R

[Rabrrrrrr]

46. Spot on! I notice stuff like that so often,

even from non-rightwingnuts (though far more from them, of course).

[bringthePaine]

47. BAM!😝

[Azathoth]

48. Uhhh... that tweet isn't as smart as her social media director thought it was

The complement of that headline is not that she's underwater with "older white men" -- polling usually isn't done along intersectional categories.

What it means is she's underwater with all the other groups in each demographic category, ie. she's underwater with a majority of voters over the age of 34, and she's underwater with male voters, and she's underwater with white voters.

[sheshe2]

50. +1000

[Pinback]

66. Yet she won the 2020 NY-14 Dem primary with 74% of the vote

and went on to retain her seat in the 2020 general election, winning in November by 44 points. Seems Rep. Ocasio-Cortez is above water with quite a few people in her district.

https://ballotpedia.org/New_York%27s_14th_Congressional_District_election,_2020

[burrowowl]

51. Love AOC!

[Kablooie]

53. She's a pretty smart cookie.

I hope she gets to sta around for a long time.

[betsuni]

55. What headline? Seems to be a tweet.

[rpannier]

56. The number muncher removed their twit

I guess the humiliation of posting something that stupid became apparent

[jimlup]

57. This particular old progressive white dude is a huge AOC fan!

Go Alexandria!