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In It to Win It

(12,823 posts)
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 02:21 AM Jul 2022

"We physically watched her get sicker and sicker and sicker" until the fetal heartbeat stopped

AP News

A sexual assault survivor chooses sterilization so that if she is ever attacked again, she won’t be forced to give birth to a rapist’s baby. An obstetrician delays inducing a miscarriage until a woman with severe pregnancy complications seems “sick enough.” A lupus patient must stop taking medication that controls her illness because it can also cause miscarriages.

Abortion restrictions in a number of states and the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade are having profound repercussions in reproductive medicine as well as in other areas of medical care.

“For physicians and patients alike, this is a frightening and fraught time, with new, unprecedented concerns about data privacy, access to contraception, and even when to begin lifesaving care,” said Dr. Jack Resneck, president of the American Medical Association.

Even in medical emergencies, doctors are sometimes declining immediate treatment. In the past week, an Ohio abortion clinic received calls from two women with ectopic pregnancies — when an embryo grows outside the uterus and can’t be saved — who said their doctors wouldn’t treat them. Ectopic pregnancies often become life-threatening emergencies and abortion clinics aren’t set up to treat them.
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"We physically watched her get sicker and sicker and sicker" until the fetal heartbeat stopped (Original Post) In It to Win It Jul 2022 OP
This is as frightening as it gets - and also unacceptable in the 21st century. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2022 #1
Medically speaking, people who don't know their ass from their LuckyCharms Jul 2022 #2
They do the same thing with teaching but don't know a damn thing about a classroom either AZLD4Candidate Jul 2022 #3
As a physician, my opinion is that this new legislation is criminal elias7 Jul 2022 #4
+1000 lindysalsagal Jul 2022 #5
kick for visibility In It to Win It Jul 2022 #6
Just remember EnergizedLib Jul 2022 #7

Rhiannon12866

(258,837 posts)
1. This is as frightening as it gets - and also unacceptable in the 21st century.
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 03:40 AM
Jul 2022

We're turning back the clock on modern medicine - and women are going to die, again.

LuckyCharms

(23,067 posts)
2. Medically speaking, people who don't know their ass from their
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 04:13 AM
Jul 2022

elbow, are drafting legislation which must be addressed from both a human rights aspect and a medical aspect.

These "lawmakers" better be goddamn sure they they address specific and multiple scenarios that can occur during pregnancy by using medical terms, specific anatomical terms, pharmaceutical terms, and terms related to the process of a pregnancy.

Because if they do not specifically address all of these situations in the laws they create, then:

1) Medical professionals will be frozen in place during a problematic pregnancy. Physicians will be consulting their lawyers before taking any action. Medical professionals will run the real risk of going to prison if they make a decision which is questionable in terms of the "law", but prudent in terms of medical decision making. Because of this hesitation, many women will die. Seems like that is the point, the goal.

2) The US will eventually suffer a shortage of OBGYN providers. What intern in their right mind would want to specialize in a field so fraught with legal risk?

There are two reasons that I am not a physician: I am probably not smart enough, and I do not have the medical training.

Speaking from a medical standpoint only, the reasons for why I am not a physician are the very same reasons why "lawmakers" cannot be writing laws related to abortion.

All of the above issues are just from a medical standpoint. A novel could be written if one is addressing the abortion issue from a human rights standpoint.

AZLD4Candidate

(6,958 posts)
3. They do the same thing with teaching but don't know a damn thing about a classroom either
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 04:58 AM
Jul 2022

Look at "guns in schools" crap.

elias7

(4,229 posts)
4. As a physician, my opinion is that this new legislation is criminal
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 05:07 AM
Jul 2022

Given basic realities of the grave physical and psychological damage of forcing a ten yr old rape victim to carry a pregnancy to term, of the life threatening danger in not rapidly addressing an ectopic pregnancy or not helping complete a miscarriage with a D & C if needed (just took care of one yesterday), legislation threatening penalties for fulfilling basic life saving measures without addressing well established medical evidence is simply criminal.

What is mind boggling is that legislators and judges can render decisions that ignore basic science. Pretty much gives me the same sense of horror as how people started ignoring basic immunology and expert consensus in dealing with the pandemic. Desantis and Trump should both be held criminally liable in a normal world for the covid deaths they are responsible for. And the SC all these state legislators should be held criminally liable for every bit of morbidity and mortality that WILLl result from reproductive policies that defy medical reality.

EnergizedLib

(3,151 posts)
7. Just remember
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 09:28 PM
Jul 2022

The other side wanted this and they got this. They spent half a century wanting this.

But now, they don’t want to talk about it. It’s a losing issue for them. I saw something from a strategist for their party who would rather talk about anything else - inflation, President Biden, etc.

They wanted this so bad. They don’t want to talk about it? Make them answer for it in November.

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