Another Jeff Tiedrich tweet about Secret Service texts:

[tblue37]

you just know that somewhere among the deleted Secret Service texts is the discussion about where to stash Mike Pence after abducting him from that loading dock on Jan 6. you know it and I know it. people with nothing to hide don't delete every fucking text

Link to tweet

[Joinfortmill]

1. Yup. TickTock, people. The truth will prevail.

[Marthe48]

2. if pence had been kidnapped by the ss

two outcomes: 1) grassley would've presided 2) the certification would have been delayed as somebody played 'Where's mikey?"

[brush]

16. And trump would've declared martial law until...

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the repubs/Grassley completed the process of rejecting the EC ballots and sending the decision to the state legislatures to decide, where the red states btw,have a decided advantage and would dutifully delivered the presidency back to trump.

[csziggy]

42. This may explain why TFG didn't declare martial law

Without having Pence secured, the insurrectionists could not control the process. They knew they could not hold the Capitol on their own. They knew unless they could grab Pence, Pelosi, and other pivotal figures, their attempt to ignore the will of the people would fail.

They could not control Pence, they could not find the others. So TFG didn't go through with his promise to declare martial law - which with the failure of a completed coup would leave him completely open to treason charges.

Because TFG is more into covering his own ass, he did not give the promise of full support to the insurrectionists and their coup failed.

[brush]

43. Yes, yes. Very good summary.

[Mr.Bill]

48. Well, that and the fact that I doubt Trump even understands

what martial law entails. I doubt he could spell it.

[intheflow]

3. More to the point,

a government agency that blindly follows a pre-planned info migration and update, without backing up the data and regardless of the fact that an insurrection just took place, is definitely hiding something.

[dalton99a]

4. Kick

[2naSalit]

5. You know it's a coverup...

Of the SS insurrection supporters because, there is a redundant process for "migration" of info in any government agency so this, "They got deleted" bullshit is as credible as the Uvalde cops saying they heroically saved lives while they waited in the hall with their thumbs up their asses.

[OAITW r.2.0]

6. Sure sounds like a criminal cover-up to me.

They lie about the reason for the deletion - "new equipment". And if the records have been specifically expunged for those 2 dates from the server/back-up systems, I'd say that is destruction of evidence.

Who ordered/initiated the process of expunging the texts? Get him/her under oath om from of J6....or have DOJ start a criminal investigation.

[2naSalit]

7. No shit...

I know that the hand-held computer unit that I used to create maps for the 2010 Census is still sitting in a warehouse in Texas with all that data still on it.

I know that I was required to retain all but general reminders, like to change my passwords by a given time, from my agency emails and all other electronic communications in the other two agencies I work for.

[appleannie1]

8. For some reason I can't access twitter today. I can't even upload the login page.

All I get is a little blue bird in the middle of my screen. I have no clue as to why. I have not even replied to a tweet in weeks.

[Nevilledog]

12. Deep State

Only explanation

[rickford66]

14. That's built in to wean you from it occasionally.

[Beartracks]

30. Twitter did a routine scheduled equipment replacement so all accounts got deleted.

[LastDemocratInSC]

9. Most, perhaps all law enforcement agencies record their radio communications.

I'm sure the Secret Service uses secure communication systems these days and at some point in the process that information is recorded. Perhaps they used only text messages during the attack on the Capitol? That doesn't seem likely given that radio communication is so much easier and faster. And, this was a very critical event.

[Mr. Ected]

10. So...would the individual agents be indicted for conspiracy

Or would the entire USSS chain of command be held responsible?

[erronis]

11. "where to stash Mike Pence" should be "Where to dispose of Mike's body"

One wonders about the safety of the rest of his family also.

But Mikey doesn't care. Mikey still loves Donnie.

[dchill]

24. Mike knows about breaking eggs and making omelettes.

[ultralite001]

13. Perhaps the Secret Service was considering a drive by...

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[Javaman]

15. Pence would have been sleeping with the fishes if he got in that limo nt

[John1956PA]

20. Straight out of "Three Days of the Condor." Fortunately, neither Condor nor Pence got into the car.

Earlier when it made news that Miike Pence had said on 01-06-2021 that he was not getting into that car, I published a post on Facebook about that particular eerily foretelling scene from the movie.

[Javaman]

21. The interesting part about pence not getting in the limo, to me

It was less, as was reported, about him being seen leaving the capital, (that’s the bullshit cover story fed to the press and any other moron that believed that horseshit) but about him knowingly saving his own neck.

Frankly, I don’t believe for a single minute that he though about anyone else but himself at that moment

[John1956PA]

22. I agree. I think Pence had the Condor scene in mind when he refused the ride. n/t

[Marcuse]

29. Or perhaps Carlo Rossi.

[Mr.Bill]

49. I'll be the first to admit

that's all I would have been thinking about.

[Javaman]

54. And that's human but

pence and his lackeys tries to feed the media that he stayed because if rioters saw him leaving they knew they had won.

Tha bullshit don’t play

[Mr.Bill]

55. That is correct. n/t

[Sneederbunk]

17. Detain Pence so Uncle Chuck Grassley could stop the certification.

[AKwannabe]

18. More than likely

They wanted to remove him from the building and replace with Grassley or whoever it was that was supposed to break the law for the fat orange blob tRump by accepting the fake electoral slates.

Once martial law was in effect they could just jail the VP for whatever.

[llashram]

19. true

I do not trust them to protect our POTUS at all. I just hope extreme vetting was used for the protection of our POTUS by these types of suspects in the overthrow of American democracy. I just can't help to constantly be asking myself, how deep does this insurrection-coup attempt go in trying to hide what the Putinites-Hitlerites are doing to overthrow our current form of democracy?

[secondwind]

32. If u are concerned about Secret Service, Biden has

been given his old SS crew, from when he was Vice President. He’s in good hands.

[llashram]

34. that works

and in these very dangerous times, yes I worry about my POTUS

[arlyellowdog]

23. They didn't even care that there was no believable excuse

[dchill]

25. I believe the word is "shameless."

A hallmark of the Trumpish.

[Thunderbeast]

26. What would the texts reveal

about direct contact between agents and the traitors at the Willard Hotel?

[Mr. Evil]

27. The NSA has everything.

I just hope they remember and adhere to their job requirements.

The Secret Service seems to have become nothing more than an exclusive frat house. With all the usual frat boy shenanigans included.

[Cha]

28. Excellent! Grassley should be called in to ask

under oath what he knows about It.

Focus!
Please Fight to Save Our Democracy💙 in 2022 & 2024!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

31. Grassley would have been confused by the fake electors.

The Grotesque Orange Pustule would have declared himself ruler.

[reACTIONary]

33. Here is what happened when I was issued a new iPhone at work...

I've had a work issued iPhone, I think 7, for probably five or six years. Maybe a bit more. Some number of weeks ago I got an email from the IT dept saying my iPhone would no longer be supported and I had to upgrade to the iPhone 12. I think it was 12, I don't pay much attention to things like that. Attached to the email were instructions on what to do when the new phone arrived.

So the new phone arrives, and I crack open the instructions and go through an excruciating number of ill documented steps to "activate" the phone. I had to make several calls to the IT help line, and, to be honest, all of the problems turned out to be user error. My bad!

Finally I get the damn thing activated, and I move on to what I am supposed to do with the old phone. I'm supposed to "back it up" to the iTunes (???), then perform the "wipe" procedure, then drop it into the return box. After that, I'm supposed to use the iTune (?) to restore to my new phone.

What did I do? I wiped the phone, chucked it in the box, and that was that. Done. Over. No backup. No restore.

From the news articles I have read, it seems what I did was the same thing that many (but not all) SS agents did. So I can relate.

[Meadowoak]

37. Why was it that only the texts from 1/5, and 1/6 were deleted? I call Bullshit

[reACTIONary]

38. Why do you think only those were deleted? Maybe ...

... Maybe I missed something. I've read that SOME texts from the 5th and 6th were deleted, but not that ONLY texts from those two dates were deleted. I've read that this was an on-going replacement program and that, since the backups relied on individual compliance, retaining all of the texts was an ongoing problem. Plus, a lot of people just delete texts after they read them anyway.

That fits in with my experience. The iPhones are designed for security and privacy. The security makes them great for an organization like the SS. The privacy makes them difficult for an IT organization to orchestrate replacement / compliance.

Time now for my humble opinion: This SS conspiracy mongering is bullshit. IMHO.

[Meadowoak]

40. That's what was being reported. Texts from 1/5, 1/6 only.

And these were not texts asking where are you going for lunch. They KNEW better than to delete these documents that they KNEW would become evidence in a court of law.

[reACTIONary]

41. Could you link me in? I saw no reporting that said ONLY. Maybe ...

.... I missed that.

[brush]

44. But if that's what they did, they chucked official...

and historical government documents which they have a responsibility to preserve and store.

An critical government agency should have IT personnel whose job it is to do that and not leave it to employees who are not trained for it.

[reACTIONary]

46. It's my belief, though I'm not certain...

... that iPhones cannot be backed up by third party IT software. They have to be backed up by the phone's user to the iTunes and there is no way for the IT dept to get between the user and the iTune. It's part of their privacy features.

That's why I never backed up mine. I would have had to use the iTune - on a windows machine - and every time I fired it up, it would ask me for my credit card and try to sell me music. There was no obvious way to get it to backup, but that's what I was supposed to do. Even the IT department couldn't figure it out. It worked for others, especially if they had Macs, but I just gave up. And when it was time to upgrade, I skipped the backup step and went right to "wipe".

As far as document retention goes, I don't think the law requires everything everybody writes or records to be retained. As far as I know the law applies to documents that are part of a deliberative or regulatory decision making process. Furthermore, the law puts the responsibility of deciding what does or does not fall under it on the individuals who are making the records. I'm not sure how it applies to field personnel engaged in protective and enforcement activities, but it might not.

Like I said, I'm not an expert and I'm not certain, but that's the understanding I've gleaned through reading about these things.

[brush]

47. Yep, you're not an expert, and you're ok with the SS...

not retaining Jan. 5 and 6th, 2021 texts on what trump was doing in the SUV and what the agents might have texted about taking Pence away from his official duty to certifiy EC ballots because they had i-phones?

If any government agency has i-phones, I'm pretty sure their IT departments have a procedure to retain and store files.

In fact the SS in this instance say they were migrating files from old phones to new ones only some files were lost...and they expect us to believe the lost files just happen to be from Jan. 5 and 6, 2021, the very ones that we need.

No one but an idiot would not be suspicious of that story.

[reACTIONary]

50. The SS does have iPhones...

...I wasn't sure at first, but one article specifically mentioned they were iPhones. Another article mentioned that the texts that were deleted was due to the recipient not backing up their phones before wiping them.

This is very consistent with my own experience as related above.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216936087#post33

FYI, I work in a high security organization which is why we are issued iPhones. Security is one of their primary features. So is privacy. The security makes them attractive for the organization while the privacy makes them a pain. Believe me, where I work, if the IT dept could back them up they would.

This whole SS conspiracy theory is flimsy, unsubstantiated bullshit.

[brush]

51. So the SS conspiracy theory is flimsy?

Meaning what, that we're supposed to believe that the files from Jan. 5 and 6, 2021, which would reveal SS communications between agents assigned to trump and Pence on the day before and the day of the only time in the history of the nation that a president tried to overthrow the US government—let me get this straight—we're supposed to believe that those files, the most important ones in the history of the Secret Service, accidentally got deleted?

That's what you want us to believe, that it's a conspiracy theory that they were purposely deleted?

Be straight with us. Do you actually believe that those files, the ones so conspicuously missing, were just accidentally deleted?

[reACTIONary]

52. Coincidence? I think not!

Do you actually believe that those files, the ones so conspicuously missing, were just accidentally deleted?

Yep. That's what I believe.

[brush]

53. Ok. Thank you very much. You're one of the few on this board who do.

[dhol82]

35. Can't imagine it was every SS agent that just wiped their phone.

Sorry.
There has to be some back up, somewhere.

[reACTIONary]

39. You don't use an iPhone, do you? The iPhone...

... in my experience, the iPhone is designed for a high level of privacy. This makes it difficult for an IT department to provide backup services or enforce compliance with backup policies.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216936087#post33

[Sogo]

36. IT types are saying the texts

can and will be recovered….

[brush]

45. Should be, since we've all been told since emails first came out...

that every file is stored on a server somewhere on the cloud...even those someone thinks they deleted.