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[Beachnutt]

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[flying_wahini]

1. There is a brave man.

[Beachnutt]

2. He leaves a card

so the homeowner can call and ask why I suppose..
It's about time.

[ruet]

17. Unless He Was Ordered to Do This By A Supervisor Directly,...

he should probably lose his job. ALL Americans need to need to hold on to the First Amendment like the RW holds on to the Second. To say it's important is an understatement.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

3. The government does not get to decide for you what message you will display.

1A violation, with the possible exception that the person who put up the flag was a renter, and the house owner called for its removal. The lease will sort that out.

We've been through this already:

Mon May 16, 2022: You'll find plenty of disdain for freedom of speech right here at DU.

Many conservatives do not support freedom of speech, no matter their statements to the contrary.

Thu May 12, 2022: "Congress shall make no law ..." Perhaps it's time to revisit this DU thread:

If Side A gets to protest, so does Side Not-A. It works both ways.

Thu Jun 3, 2021: Homeowner Refusing to Remove 'F*** Biden,' Pro-Trump Flags Faces $500-a-Day Fine

[LonePirate]

6. Yeah, apart from possibly a landlord/renter dispute, this is a clear 1A violation.

We may not like the flag but we should respect his right to fly it.

[rsdsharp]

7. Fourth Amendment violation, too. Warrantless seizure of the flag.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

8. Did the LEO take the flag or set it aside on the porch?

I didn't sit through the video, technically speaking being "at work." I thought he took the flag down but left it by the door.

Thanks.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

9. Have to agree.

I reserve the right to put up a “Fuck Trump” sign in front of my house.

Not that I would because I think that sort of vulgarity displayed in front of a home is trashy. But to each their own.

[ruet]

13. Authoritarianism for Thee But Not for Me. -NT-

[XanaDUer2]

4. I'd love to hear this story nt

[Beachnutt]

5. Me too, I googled it but all thatcomes up is

a bunch of magaloons crying about it.
I suppose the neighbors don't like their kids reading it daily and called police.

[GoodRaisin]

12. MAGAts seem to think they can do anything they want as long as

they can talk over and drown out the other person.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

15. How does displaying a flag on your property drown out anyone else?

I'm guessing that it's his property and that he is not a renter.

[GoodRaisin]

16. In this case, it's a figure of speech. 9 attorneys have refused to represent him.

[ruet]

18. I Wouldn't Be Surprised If the ACLU Picked This Up.

I think they should. It's a prefect showcase.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

10. Watch: Police in small Texas town show up at man's home and remove 'F*ck Joe Biden' flag

LATEST

Watch: Police in small Texas town show up at man’s home and remove ‘F*ck Joe Biden’ flag

July 17, 2022 | Robert Jonathan

A Texas man has shared a video purportedly of a police officer taking down an F–k Joe Biden flag from his property while no one was home. ... Michael Prather, who says he lives down the street from the mayor, uploaded to TikTok what appears to a doorbell cam video of the cop’s alleged unilateral FJB banner ban.

{snip}

The officer appeared to leave the flag on the porch along with his business card. ... Prather claims that the same officer — noting the profanity — warned him back in October on behest of the police chief, when he first unveiled the FJB flag, that he, Prather, could face a disorderly conduct charge unless he took it down.

Prather insisted at the time that flying the flag was a form of protected free speech under the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, and that he’s willing to sit down with local authorities to discuss the situation. ... He also claimed that the officer told him flying the same flag on his pickup truck was acceptable.

The Texas man says he has contacted nine different attorneys, but so far none of them expressed interest in representing him in a potential legal case. He also pointed out that his home is not situated in a subdivision subject to any restrictions imposed by a homeowner’s association.

{snip}

[ruet]

11. "The Texas man says he has contacted nine different attorneys..."

The Texas man says he has contacted nine different attorneys, but so far none of them expressed interest in representing him in a potential legal case.

This is becoming a bigger and bigger problem in the U.S.. Civil representation is nearly impossible to secure unless the potential awards are in the six or seven figure range. I just roll my eyes these days when people exclaim "sue the shit out of them". It just doesn't happen.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

14. Maybe a local attorney needs some pro bono credit hours for the year. He/she could take it up.

No matter how conservative a firm's prevailing outlook, no one wants to see 1A jettisoned.

Thanks for writing.

[mn9driver]

19. The first amendment has limits.

“…the colorful display breaks a local ordinance that prohibits signs containing "obscene, pornographic or lewd messages…”

The specific violation here is the repeated public and prominent use of the F word. This is an ordinance that has been on the books in most communities for decades.

Lies are perfectly legal, though, so at least F word dude has that going for him.

[ruet]

20. Local Ordinances Don't Supersede The Constitution.

Especially when it comes to plainly political speech. If the flag owner makes it to court he will win. Government employees do not get to police political speech.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

22. Aaaaaaaaand,

the First Amendment has been full incorporated by the Fourteenth Amendment, so when they say "Congress shall make not law...," they mean "Pottsboro, Texas, shall make no law..." too.

incorporation doctrine

[ruet]

25. Oh Brother. That's A Stretch.

That word means whatever you want it to. It's, literally, universal.




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[Beachnutt]

26. I guess you're right, there is no common decency

left in this country...

[mahatmakanejeeves]

21. You're free to say you love America. You're free to say F*ck America.

You’re free to say you love America. You’re free to say Fuck America.

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