Are There Any Honest People At NSA?

[gab13by13]

After the select committee gets stiffed today by the Secret Service, can it go to the NSA and get the deleted texts?

[live love laugh]

1. After Trump? Probably not.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

2. I don't work at NSA (of course I'd say that), so I'm just guessing here, but

by and large the workforce at NSA consists, as it does at every other federal agency, of civil servants. They come in, take off their political hats, and do their job regardless of their politics.

Do you have any reason to suspect otherwise?

[gab13by13]

4. The same can be said about the Secret Service, correct?

by and large the workforce at the Secret Service consists, as it does at every other federal agency, of civil servants. They come in, take off their political hats, and do their job regardless of their beliefs.

And yet it is reasonable to assume that there were members of the Secret Service who were complicit in the coup attempt.

My point wasn't about the NSA, it was about the Secret Service. At 10 AM today the Secret Service is supposed to turn over deleted texts to the select committee. There is no way in hell that the SS is going to turn over incriminating evidence to the select committee.

Next step is the NSA. Can the select committee get what it is asking for from any branch of government? Accountability.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

6. "The same can be said about the Secret Service, correct?"

The same can be said about the Secret Service, correct?

You are correct.

And yet it is reasonable to assume that there were members of the Secret Service who were complicit in the coup attempt.

Is it? I don't know. It's worth an investigation.

There is no way in hell that the SS is going to turn over incriminating evidence to the select committee.

They might not have any choice. Where are the servers located? Does the USSS maintain control of the servers, or are they under the control of some other agency?

I don't know. I'm not a computer person.

[gab13by13]

8. For crying out loud,

the Vice President of the United States didn't trust them. He wouldn't get in a limo with them.

[melm00se]

9. He trusted

his primary SS protection detail. He didn't trust agents he did not personally know.

[gab13by13]

12. Well now, I never meant to imply

that the entire Secret Service force was corrupt. I am only implying that there are signs that several members of the SS were in on the coup attempt.

A former agent questioned why they used texting on 1/6 instead of their radios. Why did they delete texts after they were told to preserve them?

[melm00se]

14. For the same reason

emails and texts disappear in the corporate world despite rules, policies and explicit orders to preserve them.

Some disappear because they are incriminating.
Some disappear because they are embarrassing.
Some disappear because not everyone gets the memo to preserve the records.

[Solomon]

5. I'm sorry, but it used to be that way in big agencies. Not so sure its that way anymore.

[msfiddlestix]

10. you made a funny.

[Samrob]

3. Biden could fire all SS and make them reapply for their jobs after careful vetting.

It could be done unit by unit and not all at once but would cover ALL Secret Service civil service and political employees.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

7. No, he can't. NT

[Kid Berwyn]

11. Yes. They keep CIA honest.

CIA keeps FBI honest.
FBI keeps DIA honest.
DIA keeps INR honest.
And so it goes…

[gab13by13]

13. I will be shocked

if the SS turns over all of its deleted texts today, it is not going to turn over incriminating evidence. So how does the select committee go about getting those deleted texts?

[Kid Berwyn]

16. NSA may play dumb in public and lie under oath in closed session -- to protect the nation.

They Hoover the planet’s electronic communication daily. They’re supposed to protect the privacy of US citizens, but you know, small world.

Looks like the Secret Service messages were intentionally destroyed. Those responsible need to go to jail.



If NSA has them, they may not share them. I don’t know if they’d want to. Unless ordered by the President, and even then, they may not share their take. They won’t even produce their charter when asked by Congress.

The first congressman to battle the NSA is dead.

No-one noticed, no-one cares.

By Mark Ames
Pando, written on February 4, 2014

EXCERPT...

It was Pike’s committee that got the first ever admission—from CIA director William Colby—that the NSA was routinely tapping Americans' phone calls. Days after that stunning confession, Pike succeeded in getting the head of the NSA, Lew Allen Jr., to testify in public before his committee—the first time in history that an NSA chief publicly testified. It was the first time that the NSA publicly maintained that it was legally entitled to wiretap Americans’ communications overseas, in spite of the 1934 Communications Act and other legal restrictions placed on other intelligence and law enforcement agencies.

It was also the first time an NSA chief publicly lied to Congress, claiming it was not eavesdropping on domestic or overseas phone calls involving American citizens. (Technically, legalistically, the NSA argued that it hadn't lied—the reason being that since Americans weren’t specifically “targeted” in the NSA's vast data-vacuuming programs in the 1970s, recording and storing every phone call and telex cable in computers which were then data-mined for keywords, that therefore they weren’t technically eavesdropping on Americans who just happened to be swept up into the wiretapping vacuum.)

Pike quickly discovered the fundamental problem with the NSA: It was by far the largest intelligence agency, and yet it was birthed unlike any other, as a series of murky executive orders under Truman at the peak of Cold War hysteria. Digging into the NSA’s murky beginnings, it quickly became clear that the agency was explicitly chartered in such a way that placed it beyond legal accountability, out of reach of the other branches of government. Unlike the CIA, which came into being under an act of Congress, the NSA’s founding charter was a national secret.

SNIP...

In early August, 1975, Pike ordered the NSA to produce its “charter” document, National Security Council Intelligence Directive No. 6. The Pentagon’s intelligence czar, Albert Hall, appeared before the Pike Committee that day—but without the classified NSA charter. Hall reminded Pike that the Ford White House had offered to show the NSA charter document to Pike’s committee just as it had done with Church’s Senate Committee members, who had agreed to merely view the charter at a government location outside of Congress, without entering the secret document into the Senate record. Officially, publicly, it still didn’t exist. Pike refused to accept that:

“You’re talking about the document that set up the entire N.S.A., it’s one which all members [of Congress] are entitled to see without shuttling back and forth downtown to look at.”

Assistant Defense Secretary Hall told an incredulous Pike that he hadn’t brought the NSA charter with him as he’d been told to, and that he couldn’t because “I need clearance” and the charter “has secret material in it.”

Pike exploded:

“It seems incredible to me, very frankly, that we are asked to appropriate large amounts of money for that agency which employs large numbers of people without being provided a copy of the piece of paper by which the agency is authorized.”

CONTINUED...

https://pando.com/2014/02/04/the-first-congressman-to-battle-the-nsa-is-dead-no-one-noticed-no-one-cares/

My old college roommate’s cousin’s brother-in-law worked with a guy who’s sister was in the No Such Agency — and she is tops in every way that’s good.

[jmowreader]

15. Nope. They really can't.

NSA’s mission is to create encryption and to monitor foreign communications. Going into US feeds would run afoul of minimization regulations, even if the participants work for the government.

The agency to go to is FBI, who has both the capability to recover deleted texts AND a domestic mission.

[MineralMan]

17. Probably not. The NSA's mission involves primarily intelligence

collected outside the USA. At least when I worked in the Maryland building, they didn't have anything to do with domestic intelligence, except for communications with foreign nations. I believe that is still the NSA's stated mission.

In any case, it is unlikely that that agency would concern itself with domestic cell phone text messages. It might be able to get data on connections made by domestic cell phones, but it's doubtful that it has any record of the contents of the texts.

That's not what it does, despite the popular belief that the NSA is monitoring everything. It's not. The FBI is responsible for internal intelligence, not the NSA or the CIA.