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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(136,404 posts)
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 08:04 PM Jul 2022

Pete Buttigieg schools GOP congressman on the cost of electric vehicles

United States Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg dismantled Congressman Scott Perry's (R-Pennsylvania) complaints about the price of electric cars during a House of Representatives hearing on transportation infrastructure on Tuesday morning.

Perry, who was among the gaggle of right-wing lawmakers who sought pardons from former President Donald Trump, told Buttigieg, "You have implied that (Americans) should buy an electric vehicle." Perry tried to paint Buttigieg and other Democrats as out of touch because some electric vehicles cost upwards of $55,000.

But President Joe Biden's transportation secretary was quick to push back, saying, "Nobody I know, certainly not me, thinks that all or even most Americans can easily afford electric vehicles. That said, I'm struck by this $55 thousand number that keeps going around. I knew this might come up; so I pulled a few of the latest prices."

Buttigieg continued, "A Chevy Volt, an American-made 2022 EV, is $26,595. If you want a pickup truck, like a Chevy Silverado EV or a Ford F1 50 Lightning, the starting prices of those are $39,900 and $39,974 respectively."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pete-buttigieg-schools-gop-congressman-on-the-cost-of-electric-vehicles/ar-AAZKMx0

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Pete Buttigieg schools GOP congressman on the cost of electric vehicles (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2022 OP
Gotta love it when some Pub is caught spreading BS! n/a napi21 Jul 2022 #1
The new Ford truck they show racing across a desert multigraincracker Jul 2022 #2
On the local news (AZ) last night was a story of a girl who just bought her first car, in2herbs Jul 2022 #3
I've seen that story all over today, all sourced from the same 'Fox Business' piece: sl8 Jul 2022 #4
I don't watch FUX. nt in2herbs Jul 2022 #14
I'm not crazy about a lithium economy orthoclad Jul 2022 #7
They only made a few thousand of those vehicles Rstrstx Jul 2022 #11
Ford made very very d_r Jul 2022 #5
in before the anti EV crew Celerity Jul 2022 #6
Too late. Same old shit already got in. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #12
Here's the truth: We should each and all of us be working toward Ron Green Jul 2022 #8
We need hydrogen fuel cell vehicles. orthoclad Jul 2022 #9
Chevy "BOLT" is the EV. Thunderbeast Jul 2022 #10
Pete B is the best ever Hekate Jul 2022 #13

multigraincracker

(37,831 posts)
2. The new Ford truck they show racing across a desert
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 08:09 PM
Jul 2022

with super charged V8 and 700 hp gas motor starts at $109,000.00. Selling faster than they can make em.

in2herbs

(4,443 posts)
3. On the local news (AZ) last night was a story of a girl who just bought her first car,
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 08:15 PM
Jul 2022

a Ford Focus, electric vehicle. 60,000 miles paid $11,000 - pristine condition. Owned it for 6 months and the battery went dead. The father of the daughter was interviewed and said that mfgrs are not supporting r&d for back up batteries and that it will cost more to replace the battery than their purchase price of the car.

The summers in AZ are brutal and even the best batteries only last 2 years. I was contemplating buying an electric vehicle but I am now going to wait until batteries are available and comparable in price to a fossil fuel car's battery.

sl8

(17,120 posts)
4. I've seen that story all over today, all sourced from the same 'Fox Business' piece:
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 08:22 PM
Jul 2022

I'd take it with a grain of salt.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/florida-family-electric-car-problem-replacement-battery-costs-more-vehicle

There's another piece on the same page that tells us that EVs are garbage. And if you can't trust Karl Rove ....

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
7. I'm not crazy about a lithium economy
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 08:48 PM
Jul 2022

That said, I drive a plugin hybrid electric vehicle, PHEV. 4 wheel drive RAV4. In the last year, I have bought 1 (one) tank of gas, and that was mostly because I didn't want the gas to get old.

A PHEV has a much smaller battery than a full electric. I get 42 miles all-electric, then it runs as a gas hybrid. It didn't cost much more than a gas rav4, and the cost was offset by Federal tax credit. The battery won't be as hard to replace when it ages out. I get near-infinite gas mileage, because I get electric from solar panels. Sounds like an ideal solution for Arizona.

A PHEV is a good compromise during transition away from fossil cars.

Personally, I would much rather operate a hydrogen fuel cell car. Many advantages: no long charge period, quick refill, for one. At this point, only California has a filling network.

Rstrstx

(1,649 posts)
11. They only made a few thousand of those vehicles
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 10:34 PM
Jul 2022

A replacement battery is going to be very expensive because the cars are no longer made and finding a used one will be hard because the electric Ford Focus was so rare. I think the article was intended more of as a hit piece on EVs to be disseminated by the usual suspects.

Good EV batteries in AZ should be fine, Nissan Leafs had a problem there because they were passively cooled by outside air alone but a good EV with an active thermal management system should be fine.

d_r

(6,908 posts)
5. Ford made very very
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 08:25 PM
Jul 2022

Few of the 40k lightning pros. That said, volts, leafs, even id4s are a lot less than $55k. Also, the average new car price overall in the US is $47k, so if right winger think electric cars cost $55k then the 7.5k tax incentive is pretty in target.

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
12. Too late. Same old shit already got in.
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 01:37 AM
Jul 2022

It's almost as if some people are still getting their info from the astroturfers of auto makers.

Ron Green

(9,870 posts)
8. Here's the truth: We should each and all of us be working toward
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 08:56 PM
Jul 2022

never having to buy another new car. That could mean job change, house location, or any number of things. But it’s true if we care about this home of ours. And we ought to find politicians who aren’t afraid to talk about this.

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
9. We need hydrogen fuel cell vehicles.
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 09:29 PM
Jul 2022

Lithium is a conflict mineral. It was lithium interests who overthrew the legitimate government of Bolivia in a coup, because they wanted to just scrape the raw material and Bolivia wanted battery factories on-site. A tribe in Nevada is fighting against a lithium mine on its sacred ground. There is an issue of child labor in Africa in mines.

Lithium has all the desirable properties of a capitalist commodity. It can be extracted by megacorps and monoplized. It makes a good vehicle to exploit poor countries.

It will take many millions of tons of lithium to provide batteries for the world transportation fleet. There will be vast environmental damage from mining, refining, manufacturing, and disposing lithium.

Hydrogen is amazingly abundant. Think of oceans; salt water is ideal for electrolysis. It takes only electricity to crack water into H and O, and the "pollution" of refining is pure oxygen. The pollution of burning it is water vapor; it could be captured for potable water. Combustion engines can be adapted to burning hydrogen (think ships and aircraft). Producing hydrogen from surplus wind and solar is a good way to store that excess energy. A lot of existing gas transport and combustion infrastructure can be adapted to hydrogen.

Hydrogen is overall safer than lithium, which is toxic and all but impossible to extinguish if it ignites. Since H is lighter than air, if it escapes, it rises and disperses, rather than pooling and concentrating. And it is inherently non-toxic if it does escape. Hydrogen got a bad name from the Hindenburg, but, really, people survived that disaster because the airship burned and settled, it did not explode and plunge to the ground. How many people survive airline disasters?

Fuel cells have been used to power spacecraft for many decades. They are very well understood.

We need to invest a lot of money into starting up the hydrogen fuel economy. The efficiency of electrolyzing H from H2O is currently low, but compare that low efficiency to the energy expense of mining, refining, and transporting lithium. I see regular, periodic reports of improvements in electrolysis efficiency. Adapting gas pipelines will need work, like lining. Combustion engine tech needs research and testing. The cost will go down with economy of scale. The fossil economy is already busy coming up with technical objections to hydrogen. I say beware of PR flacks pretending to engineering cred. The objections and obstacles to hydrogen are issues of engineering, not science, and engineering responds well to money.

The market will not move towards hydrogen on its own, because lithium is much more attractive for exploitation. It will require a public investment to jump-start the hydrogen economy. This translates into pressure on politicians to support research and mass distribution of hydrogen tech.

Every dollar we spend now is saving many dollars in the future, from the externalized costs of climate disasters, lithium pollution, and political instability from conflict minerals.

Thunderbeast

(3,827 posts)
10. Chevy "BOLT" is the EV.
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 09:59 PM
Jul 2022

The "VOLT" is a plug-in hybrid with a gasoline engine. GM discontinued the VOLT in 2019 when the pure EV BOLT was intruduced.

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