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DemForLife

(65 posts)
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 10:35 AM Jul 2022

Carrying a dead baby...

As someone who had to do this, not once, but twice no one knows how it feels to carry a dead baby that was plannned for and very much wanted unless you have had to do it. The first time I had gone into premature labor at 8 months. Fortunately, after my exam determined no heartbeat, and decayed tissue upon examining me further, I delivered a dead son. I say fortunately because I didn't have to continue the pregnancy knowing he was gone. Mother nature took care of things for me. The second time I was 7 months along and Dr. couldn't get a heartbeat. In this instance I went into labor a few days later. I had to shop for an outfit to bury my baby in. While I was in line to purchase, a well meaning lady was asking when I was due, did I know the baby's sex, etc. I told her my due date and said I didn't know what the baby's sex was because I didn't want her to experience discomfort about my situation. Can you believe that? I walked out in a trance and went to my car to cry in private. It took everything I had not to breakdown in the store. This craziness about making women carry dead babies and ignoring the very real dangers this poses to the health and life of the mother has to end. Why would we as a country allow a bunch of zealots dictate our private lives? We have to take down every politician who believes this nonsense. It is our bodies, our families our choice.

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Carrying a dead baby... (Original Post) DemForLife Jul 2022 OP
Thank you for bravely sharing your experience. Hugin Jul 2022 #1
I am so sorry you had to go through that twice. Thank you for sharing your story; I carry stories WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2022 #2
.... CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2022 #3
I am truly sorry, and can empathize... OneGrassRoot Jul 2022 #4
i call it "the right stuff" mindset. barbtries Jul 2022 #22
..... OneGrassRoot Jul 2022 #34
Thank you for sharing your heartbreaking experiences. Fla Dem Jul 2022 #5
So so sorry DemForLife. Thank you for telling your powerful story. enough Jul 2022 #6
My daughter had a friend Marthe48 Jul 2022 #7
I had a coworker who experienced this with her first pregnancy. milestogo Jul 2022 #11
You helped her Marthe48 Jul 2022 #13
Thanks for sharing... Wounded Bear Jul 2022 #8
I am so sorry, hope you are ok now Freddie Jul 2022 #9
I am okay DemForLife Jul 2022 #14
She sounds like a fighter. momta Jul 2022 #18
I've seen babies with anencephaly live for over a year! LeftInTX Jul 2022 #32
They gave her a baby shower? That is one of the most... 3catwoman3 Jul 2022 #45
I know, how incredibly insensitive Freddie Jul 2022 #47
"Did they think God was going to heal the baby in utero?" 3catwoman3 Jul 2022 #48
I had just started shopping for maternity wear when I lost my first Maeve Jul 2022 #10
I'm so sorry Kayob11 Jul 2022 #12
No words. momta Jul 2022 #15
Thank you for sharing your experiences. It must be hard. Lonestarblue Jul 2022 #16
. Higherarky Jul 2022 #17
Deepest sympathies to you. lastlib Jul 2022 #19
My wife and I worked with Miscarriage and Stillbirth support group. plimsoll Jul 2022 #20
Abortion procedures are not effective for a full term fetus. LeftInTX Jul 2022 #33
Ty. i wasn't sure on what happened for a friend Tetrachloride Jul 2022 #37
Pretty much the only option then. plimsoll Jul 2022 #40
Thank you for sharing your story. onecaliberal Jul 2022 #21
I am so sorry. MuseRider Jul 2022 #23
The worst thing that has ever happened to me arlyellowdog Jul 2022 #24
Most people don't talk about miscarriages and still births LisaM Jul 2022 #25
The worst thing that has ever happened to me arlyellowdog Jul 2022 #26
I can't imagine Novara Jul 2022 #27
the hopefully final squirms barbtries Jul 2022 #43
That's what makes them dangerous to women, minorities, and well, anyone who isn't a white male. Novara Jul 2022 #44
they've proved how dangerous they are. barbtries Jul 2022 #46
There's something genetically off with us in our family. slightlv Jul 2022 #28
I've done it, too. Brainstormy Jul 2022 #29
It's very difficult and it's considered a stillbirth if it's near term. LeftInTX Jul 2022 #30
Carrying . . . people Jul 2022 #31
my first pregnancy I bled the entire time. About 8-10 weeks had a D&C because it would never be via demtenjeep Jul 2022 #35
I'm sorry for the losses of your babies and thank you for sharing. SYFROYH Jul 2022 #36
What a terrible experience for you and your family peggysue2 Jul 2022 #38
Thank you for sharing Wild blueberry Jul 2022 #39
In the 1950s Timeflyer Jul 2022 #41
Coworker once had to carry a dead baby for weeks! live love laugh Jul 2022 #42
I pointed out elsewhere that a fetus with nothing but a brain stem TexasBushwhacker Jul 2022 #49

Hugin

(37,848 posts)
1. Thank you for bravely sharing your experience.
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 10:38 AM
Jul 2022

An experience endured quite a bit more commonly than the zealots would have people believe.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,956 posts)
2. I am so sorry you had to go through that twice. Thank you for sharing your story; I carry stories
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 10:38 AM
Jul 2022

like yours in my heart when I do abortion work. Peace to you.

OneGrassRoot

(23,953 posts)
4. I am truly sorry, and can empathize...
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 10:43 AM
Jul 2022

I was due but noted no movement one day and went for the ultrasound. No heartbeat. Induction was scheduled for several days later and whenever I encountered anyone (which I desperately tried not to do), they inevitably asked the same, understandable questions you confronted. I, too, didn't want to make them feel uncomfortable, so I answered with the basics. I simply cannot imagine the horrors women are being forced to confront now, on top of what are already natural, not preventable tragedies.

For you to experience this heartbreak twice...there are no words.

(This is a bit off topic, but I also found that I became a pariah in the social circle of expectant families, as they simply didn't want to consider that the same nightmare could happen to them. So they acted like I didn't exist. We learn a lot about human nature during such times.)

barbtries

(31,308 posts)
22. i call it "the right stuff" mindset.
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 11:43 AM
Jul 2022

If you read Tom Wolfe's book, back when they were first flying experimental aircraft and preparing to go into space, they died on a regular basis. I think the term Wolfe used was something like "an epidemic of premature death." When one died, the rest would shake their heads and agree that it turned out he didn't have "the right stuff." It must be human nature, a protective reaction.

When my daughter died i experienced the same sort of isolation. People who had not experienced such a loss could not accept the random nature of the tragedy. The fact is it can happen to anyone. Anyone at all. I actually had a friend tell me that her kids were all alive because "Gawd knows that I couldn't handle it if one of my kids died." Saying this to a woman whose daughter had died. go figure.

I'm sorry you had to go through that hell.

OneGrassRoot

(23,953 posts)
34. .....
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 01:26 PM
Jul 2022


I know of the almost unspeakable tragedy you endure each day (and know it’s especially painful right now).

What you say makes sense, so I shouldn’t be shocked you endured such ignorance and callousness, adding insult to injury. My gosh, the things people say…

Fla Dem

(27,633 posts)
5. Thank you for sharing your heartbreaking experiences.
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 10:45 AM
Jul 2022

No one, especially a man could understand how emotionally devastating an experience like yours can be.

The same is true for a woman who is raped and is forced to carry the embryo created by such a horrific experience.

I hope you were able at some point to successfully have the child you so longed to have. Peace to you.

Marthe48

(23,175 posts)
7. My daughter had a friend
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 10:47 AM
Jul 2022

who was close to her due date. The umbiiical cord strangled her very much wanted baby. She said she woke up in the night and it was like she wasn't pregnant anymore. The lost baby would be an adult now and she still mourns.

You have my sympathy. My mom's first pregnancy was twins who were born prematurely. The younger twin didn't make it. As I grew up, it was always like there was an empty chair at the table.

milestogo

(23,084 posts)
11. I had a coworker who experienced this with her first pregnancy.
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 10:58 AM
Jul 2022

She was due in a week, and the baby stopped moving. She went to the doctor and found out there was no heartbeat. The cord was around the baby's neck. I had called her about a work issue, and ended up spending an hour on the phone with her. It was shattering.

Freddie

(10,104 posts)
9. I am so sorry, hope you are ok now
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 10:52 AM
Jul 2022

A friend’s niece, from a “pro-life” religious family, found out at the 20-week ultrasound that her baby had anancephaly (sp?) - no brain. She refused to consider termination. For the rest of the pregnancy she felt the baby kick, got the well-meaning questions from strangers, all knowing he would live at most a day or two. Then her family gave her a BABY SHOWER. Talk about breathtaking cruelty. All the gifts were carefully gender-neutral, they were for the “next time” - who could say there will be a next time? At 8 months she developed placenta previa and almost died while having a c-section to deliver a stillborn boy. I lost touch and never found out if she was able to have a healthy baby later.
This is the kind of torture the Republicans want.

DemForLife

(65 posts)
14. I am okay
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 11:05 AM
Jul 2022

I went on to have my second daughter. My still born sons were in between my oldest daughter and the youngest. To this day, we don't know what happened. My first pregnancy was textbook normal. Anyway, we switched to another Doc and he made sure that when I started to experience difficulties he sent me to an urban university hospital for the rest of the pregnancy. I spent the last month of my pregnancy under the careful watch of high risk department and delivered her at 30 weeks. 4 pounds, 3 ounces. She went home when she reached 4 pounds. She is the only one able to give me my grandchildren. Yes, I still think about my two sons that had to be buried.

momta

(4,197 posts)
18. She sounds like a fighter.
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 11:18 AM
Jul 2022

After my third miscarriage I was sent to an aggressive reproductive care doctor. She was odd, but very thorough. We went in for genetic testing, and they were able to determine the problem.

I was the only one in my Resolve support group who actually had a diagnosis to blame my miscarriages on. It also explained why others in my family were having the same problems. If you're interested, I made a video about it which I posted here a while back:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017744129

I'm glad you found a doctor who could help your daughter survive. It makes all the difference.

These days I pity the patients and the doctors, and am enraged at the idiots who are forcing them into these devastating situations.

LeftInTX

(34,301 posts)
32. I've seen babies with anencephaly live for over a year!
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 01:01 PM
Jul 2022

They have primitive reflexes. Many can feed.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/baby-born-missing-most-of-brain-celebrates-first-birthday/

I took care of anencephalic babies in the hospital. They could feed and after a few weeks, they would go home. I don't know what happened with most of them. One of the discharges ended up being readmitted later. I did not take care of critically ill infants. Any anencephalic infant that I took care of was previously stabilized. I'm sure many died within a few hours and days or were stillborn.

So, wanting to give birth to an anencephalic baby would not be unusual for a pro-life person. Even a person who isn't anti-abortion may want to give birth knowing the odds they will have their infant in their lives for a short time. Maternal instincts are strong and many moms experience short term motherhood with an anencephalic infant. I have bonded with those infants myself.

3catwoman3

(29,406 posts)
45. They gave her a baby shower? That is one of the most...
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 05:21 PM
Jul 2022

...egregiously tone deaf things I have ever heard of. I'd have told them all to go eff themselves. That is horrible.

Freddie

(10,104 posts)
47. I know, how incredibly insensitive
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 09:42 PM
Jul 2022

The person who told me all this is another “pro-lifer” so I had to keep my mouth shut but how cruel!! Did they think God was going to heal the baby in utero? I truly hope she was able to have a healthy baby later.

3catwoman3

(29,406 posts)
48. "Did they think God was going to heal the baby in utero?"
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 10:27 PM
Jul 2022

They might have.

One of the moms at the pediatric office where I was the NP was pregnant with her second child. An ultrasound looked abnormal, so an amniocentesis was done, which showed Trisomy 18, which is one of those incompatible with life situations - most affected babies die in utero, and those that do not generally live only a few days. The baby was a girl, and the mom, during one visit for her son, told me they had named the baby Faith because they had faith that God was going to fix her.

I felt so sad for her, knowing that her hope was doomed to be crushed. The baby lived for 3 days.

They later adopted a little girl from China.

Maeve

(43,457 posts)
10. I had just started shopping for maternity wear when I lost my first
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 10:53 AM
Jul 2022

And heard stupid lines like "it probably was for the best" and even " of course, you may never have kids" (went on to have four healthy ones)
People need to stay out of a family's decisions even if it's a family of one. Her body.

momta

(4,197 posts)
15. No words.
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 11:06 AM
Jul 2022

Thank you for sharing your story. We all need to confront this madness with our own painful experiences. It's hard, but I believe it helps.

Lonestarblue

(13,480 posts)
16. Thank you for sharing your experiences. It must be hard.
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 11:06 AM
Jul 2022

I wish all pregnancies were desired and healthy, but we know that is just not the case. The forced pregnancy zealots may change someday when it is their wives and daughters dying from pregnancy complications that could have been avoided with an abortion. Until then, we vote, we protest, we publicize the stories of pregnancy complications and loss of health care, and we get more Democrats elected so we can pass laws to protect our rights.

lastlib

(28,277 posts)
19. Deepest sympathies to you.
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 11:21 AM
Jul 2022
- - - -

Thank you for sharing your story, I hope you find peace.

Agree that those who wish to dictate to women MUST be crushingly defeated.

plimsoll

(1,690 posts)
20. My wife and I worked with Miscarriage and Stillbirth support group.
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 11:24 AM
Jul 2022

I hate hearing your story, and you have my sympathy for all the good that will do you.

More importantly, I've heard this story, watched my wife live it, more times than I care to remember. Adding to this my first wife died of complications of child delivery. So I've wondered what the hell was was wrong with the forced birth community for 24 years now. I think the truth is they lack compassion, they lack imagination and they lack experience. I don't think we can fix the lack of compassion or imagination, but I can't bring myself to wish that kind of experience on anyone.

LeftInTX

(34,301 posts)
33. Abortion procedures are not effective for a full term fetus.
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 01:15 PM
Jul 2022

Near full term, generally they induce or wait for labor.

Tetrachloride

(9,624 posts)
37. Ty. i wasn't sure on what happened for a friend
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 01:36 PM
Jul 2022

I didn’t know if doctors were callus or not.

so , a lot less likely than i speculated

plimsoll

(1,690 posts)
40. Pretty much the only option then.
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 01:45 PM
Jul 2022

But that induced labor is often what get's called "partial birth abortion." You're being honest in your use of terms, but there's more than enough semantic ambiguity to allow deception.

You also have early term blighted ovum, and other issues. As you pointed out the necrotic fetal tissue can lead to sepsis in the mother. The whole situation is fraught with stuff that can go wrong, and outlawing certain procedures insures that some women will die.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
21. Thank you for sharing your story.
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 11:42 AM
Jul 2022

Horrifying and ridiculous that these people think we need to be controlled.

MuseRider

(35,176 posts)
23. I am so sorry.
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 12:06 PM
Jul 2022

I had a month or two of caution with my second but that was all. I cannot imagine either of the pregnancies you went through. It brings tears to my eyes and I am so sorry.

We are with you, we are trying. I cannot even imagine your pain and sorrow.

Thank you for sharing. Every story that makes it to a person who believes we should have to deal with rather than end it when it is totally over, this will hopefully change some minds but it is a hell of a burden on you and others. Thank you again for sharing. Many warm thoughts since that is all I can do, I will be thinking of you.

arlyellowdog

(1,430 posts)
24. The worst thing that has ever happened to me
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 12:13 PM
Jul 2022

In 70 years of life. My husband dropped dead in front of me. My oldest son became disabled (but lived). Nothing, nothing was as gut wrenching as going into a sonogram with my daughter (her husband hadn’t even taken off work because there were no worries) and having the doctor say the heartbeat is strong, but the amniotic sac has broken and your son will die. Thank God we are in Virginia, but the one doctor did want her to carry the dead fetus. I’m not over it. My daughter is not over it. My sister said, “Thank God you’re not in Texas.” I cannot imagine anyone making the hardest thing in your life much harder. I’ve changed. I know dried candy manifest as anger, but I’m just mad.

LisaM

(29,634 posts)
25. Most people don't talk about miscarriages and still births
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 12:14 PM
Jul 2022

But reaching back into my memory, I can come up with multiple examples from friends and family who simply choose not to burden everyone else with their stories because they are good people.

I have a cousin who, for lack of a better term, is a hillbilly in Kentucky (they are half cousin and I have never met her). She delivered a baby they knew couldn't live. I don't know if they are anti abortion or what, but she carried it to teem and then posted pictures of it on social media. The baby "lived" for a couple of minutes, but everything was wrong, eyes and nose in the wrong place, full teeth outside of the head, it was horrible, horrible to look at and why a young woman like she was felt she had to continue this pregnancy is beyond me. They should have terminated it when they first knew, which was months earlier.

arlyellowdog

(1,430 posts)
26. The worst thing that has ever happened to me
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 12:17 PM
Jul 2022

In 70 years of life. My husband dropped dead in front of me. My oldest son became disabled (but lived). Nothing, nothing was as gut wrenching as going into a sonogram with my daughter (her husband hadn’t even taken off work because there were no worries) and having the doctor say the heartbeat is strong, but the amniotic sac has broken and your son will die. Thank God we are in Virginia, but the one doctor did want her to carry the dead fetus. I’m not over it. My daughter is not over it. My sister said, “Thank God you’re not in Texas.” I cannot imagine anyone making the hardest thing in your life much harder. I’ve changed. I know grief can manifest as anger, but I’m just mad.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
27. I can't imagine
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 12:28 PM
Jul 2022

I never wanted kids so I can't imagine the horror. You have my sympathy.

All of these RW motherfuckers should have to read your story and all the stories of women who carried dead fetuses. It galls me when men make laws about women's bodies without a goddamn clue what they're doing or how damaging it is.

Women will die. Far more women will be psychologically damaged after being forced to carry a dead fetus. They need to sue the hospitals that refuse to treat them - at least for emotional damage. And Biden really needed to make it an official Executive Order, not just guidance that hospitals have to provide abortions in such cases.

I can't imagine the fury I would feel if I was forced to carry a dead fetus, and that's on top of grief. Same principle being forced to carry a rapist's baby. Nine months of torture on top of the trauma of being raped.

It's insane. It's old testament biblical in its punishment to women. What kind of shithole country makes women carry dead fetuses????

barbtries

(31,308 posts)
43. the hopefully final squirms
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 02:32 PM
Jul 2022

from a dying white men only patriarchy. Their demographic is changing and so is the world and their absolute power is not so absolute anymore. fuck them to hell

Novara

(6,115 posts)
44. That's what makes them dangerous to women, minorities, and well, anyone who isn't a white male.
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 03:36 PM
Jul 2022

They're losing their grip on their monopoly of power. A cornered animal can be dangerous.

barbtries

(31,308 posts)
46. they've proved how dangerous they are.
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 08:56 PM
Jul 2022

with their guns and their reduction of women to incubators.

slightlv

(7,790 posts)
28. There's something genetically off with us in our family.
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 12:37 PM
Jul 2022

Not one of us have had a normal, uneventful pregnancy. My mom was pregnant with fraternal twins. I made it, my brother didn't. Not long after I was born Mom had a D&E. This was long before RvW, but back when at least good medicine was practiced.

I was active duty Air Force when I was pregnant. You never see the same doctor twice, and you end up taking the same tests over and over because I swear no one can read anyone's handwriting. This was back in the 70's. First they had my blood type wrong, as in even the wrong rh type. I developed preeclampsia and then about 7 months along I knew something was bad wrong. The baby wasnt moving much, wasnt kicking like she had been. I was scared. I'd been moved into complicated OB, but I couldn't get anyone to listen to me until I threw a hissy fit and finally they ran a bunch of tests and discovered the placenta had come unattached. This was weeks later.

One of the tests the ran was to induce labor to see how the baby reacted. I never felt anything, the labor was so light. But her heartbeat would stop. So they rushed me into an OR and did an emergency caesarean on me. Suz was born 3 lb 3 oz. We lived through all kinds of health scares with her through the first 5 years of her life and it took her 30 years b4 she got life straight in her own head, but she grew up good strong and kind. and I was told never to have another pregnancy.

Suz went thru similar with hers, so I say it runs in the family. Because of our experiences we're all very pro-choice. And we're very supportive of whatever decision a woman chooses as to whether to have children or remain childless. there are way too many variables for anyone outside the woman herself to make that decision for her. And speaking just for myself from my own experience, the frustration of not being listened to when you know something is not right with your body and your baby and the fear that grows from there can get you labeled in the military.

Brainstormy

(2,542 posts)
29. I've done it, too.
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 12:42 PM
Jul 2022

and you're absolutely right. The psychological pain is unbearable and long lasting.

LeftInTX

(34,301 posts)
30. It's very difficult and it's considered a stillbirth if it's near term.
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 12:44 PM
Jul 2022

I can't imagine the pain, but I've known numerous women who have gone through this.

I don't know what the current protocol is for near term...

I don't think it's anti-abortion as much as what is best for the mother.

I hear lots of stories about women who had their fetus's die near term and they have to wait to go into labor.

This was in the 80s and 90s.

I think if they believe labor is the best option for the mom, the doctors will encourage labor. (Psychologically this is not the best option, but doctors often feel that labor is the best physical option)



Keeping a stillborn fetus inside the body can cause the following obstetric complications:

Blood clotting
Infection
Medication side effects




The risks of labor induction include:

Infection
Damage to the uterus
Heavy bleeding that leads to a blood transfusion


Treatment options include:

Using medicine to start labor and deliver the fetus naturally
Having a catheter inserted with medicine to start contractions
Dilating the cervix to remove the fetus through the birth canal
The decision on how to remove the fetus is a very personal one. It also comes with different risks.

https://www.childbirthinjuries.com/birth-injury/intrauterine-fetal-demise/

people

(844 posts)
31. Carrying . . .
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 12:52 PM
Jul 2022

So very, very sorry about what you had to go through. It is a medieval horror story that they are now taking a sad, terrible tragedy making it so much more terrible by making a woman risk her life.

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
35. my first pregnancy I bled the entire time. About 8-10 weeks had a D&C because it would never be via
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 01:30 PM
Jul 2022

viable.




My first kid I still had periods for the first 3 months...didn't even know I was PG

I was very sick the entire time and had horrid back labor pain. After 12 hours, my girl was here but didn't breathe for 8 minutes. Her 1 minute Apgar score was 1 and her 5 minute apgar score was 1 but finally they got her breathing and her 10 minute apgar score was 8.

She has been very stubborn her entire life.

peggysue2

(12,533 posts)
38. What a terrible experience for you and your family
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 01:42 PM
Jul 2022

The first time I heard of something similar was from one of my cousins. It was her third pregnancy. She, too, was in her eighth month, very close to delivery, when the baby's heartbeat simply disappeared. So she, too, knew beforehand that she would deliver a stillborn. I remember thinking at the time how monstrous and cruel it was being forced to carry a dead child for nearly two weeks. Not to mention the health aspects for the mother. It was horrifying and so traumatic for everyone.

The fact that you went through this twice increases the trauma x 100, IMHO.

I read a story just yesterday about a woman denied treatment after a partial miscarriage because of the demented attitudes of the religious right and the politicians pandering to the zealotry. Physicians and hospitals are stepping back because they fear legal implications. As for pregnant women? They'll be left to fend for themselves.

All of it needs to be defeated. Otherwise the bodies of women will start piling up.

Timeflyer

(3,757 posts)
41. In the 1950s
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 01:58 PM
Jul 2022

my aunt went through this ordeal. Been told that the "standard of care" back then was to wait for labor to occur. Not sure--it may have been doctors fear of the laws prohibiting abortions. Aunt carried dead baby for quite a while--doctors would not intervene. Heartbreaking and barbaric.

live love laugh

(16,383 posts)
42. Coworker once had to carry a dead baby for weeks!
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 02:08 PM
Jul 2022

That was in the 90s. It was unimaginable then and still is. What a horror.

TexasBushwhacker

(21,204 posts)
49. I pointed out elsewhere that a fetus with nothing but a brain stem
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 09:22 AM
Jul 2022

can still have a heartbeat. Most of the time, the mother miscarried, but not always. Imagine being forced to carry such an afflicted child to term. Their eyes are open, but they can't see. They cry, but can't feel the comfort of their parents' touch.

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