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turbinetree

(27,488 posts)
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 03:43 PM Jul 2022

Manhattan DA backed off indicting Trump because he was 'focused on the risk that we could lose': ex-

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Manhattan DA backed off indicting Trump because he was 'focused on the risk that we could lose': ex-prosecutor

A special prosecutor who quit the team earlier this year says Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg Jr. backed off from the notion of indicting former President Donald Trump because he was worried about losing the case.

The investigation had probed whether Trump fraudulently overvalued multiple assets to secure loans and then undervalued them to minimize taxes.

It was launched by Bragg's predecessor Cyrus Vance, with Bragg taking over the case when he took office in January.

https://www.rawstory.com/manhattan-da-backed-off-indicting-trump-because-he-was-worried-they-didn-t-have-enough-evidence-ex-prosecutor/

Bullshit.....you take it to the grand jury and find out if you have a case.....

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Manhattan DA backed off indicting Trump because he was 'focused on the risk that we could lose': ex- (Original Post) turbinetree Jul 2022 OP
Says the guy who won't get re-elected FakeNoose Jul 2022 #1
Democracy is lost by cowards. C_U_L8R Jul 2022 #2
It's disgusting the way grown-ass men cower before this orange clown Walleye Jul 2022 #3
Ain't that the truth? Novara Jul 2022 #26
Putin has Trumps balls in his vise and he's a male human. jaxexpat Jul 2022 #63
Well the Democratic men aren't afraid of him. Just the stupid GOP Walleye Jul 2022 #64
This is why TFG and spawn always land on their feet. MontanaMama Jul 2022 #4
Same here, I'm so fucken fed up with this crap. Trump slithers away but they'll throw a kid in RKP5637 Jul 2022 #13
He nothing to brag about as a DA/ Historic NY Jul 2022 #5
It plays out like some grade Z movie. Absolutely incredible. What a damn fool!!!! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2022 #6
Wait, I thought it was ongoing? Bragg wouldn't lie, would he? spanone Jul 2022 #7
Right? Scrivener7 Jul 2022 #11
trump skates again... spanone Jul 2022 #14
Fucking coward. fightforfreedom Jul 2022 #8
Exactly Rebl2 Jul 2022 #45
Coward choie Jul 2022 #9
The timidity is sickening. dalton99a Jul 2022 #10
Pomerantz, a guy who knows, said the case was good. Scrivener7 Jul 2022 #12
As a Manhattanite choie Jul 2022 #15
Good. fightforfreedom Jul 2022 #32
So all that "he's being bribed/blackmailed" ranting here was...worthless? brooklynite Jul 2022 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author brush Jul 2022 #19
Was he lying when he said investigation was ongoing or is he lying now saying he didn't want to lose spanone Jul 2022 #22
You understand this is worse right?! No seriously this is a 100% bullshit assed reason not to go ... uponit7771 Jul 2022 #29
That's Always Worthless, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2022 #33
Whatever Bragg does would not defend the country... brooklynite Jul 2022 #35
Such A Quibble Is Beneath You, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2022 #48
Sorry but I see too many people who's focus is "get Trump for anything" brooklynite Jul 2022 #55
I'd Prefer Getting Him For Seditious Conspiracy, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2022 #58
Why did you post this? Leith Jul 2022 #38
It Was Certainly a Rude Post The Magistrate Jul 2022 #51
Bet he knows by now after watching the J6 hearings... brush Jul 2022 #17
Yup. Major failure on his part. nt SunSeeker Jul 2022 #60
Bullshit. 2naSalit Jul 2022 #18
"He picked this Bragg guy" brooklynite Jul 2022 #36
Endorsed by the guy... 2naSalit Jul 2022 #65
Bada Bing The Wizard Jul 2022 #57
Sure does... 2naSalit Jul 2022 #66
He needs to stop worrying about his score card Mr.Bill Jul 2022 #20
********THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 ******** uponit7771 Jul 2022 #30
Hear Hear, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2022 #49
Bragg... Wuddles440 Jul 2022 #21
If true, what bs Catherine Vincent Jul 2022 #23
+1, The sussann case was a 100% lost cause on the merits form start and I'm pissed the judge ... uponit7771 Jul 2022 #31
I wonder how Pomerantz feels about that. gldstwmn Jul 2022 #24
The Manhattan DA is too timid LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2022 #25
So what happens when the state's AG finds corruption? Novara Jul 2022 #27
The statute of limitations will have probably expired. gab13by13 Jul 2022 #34
I'll bet he LOVES the best seats at the shows The Unmitigated Gall Jul 2022 #28
Bearing in mind, you know nothing about his lifestyle, right? brooklynite Jul 2022 #37
Sounds serious. Torchlight Jul 2022 #42
Hence the "I'll bet..." The Unmitigated Gall Jul 2022 #43
Maybe he has another reason, one that is much less self-serving. NCjack Jul 2022 #39
Well, we knew the guy was incompetent, din't we? Baitball Blogger Jul 2022 #40
Yellow moniss Jul 2022 #41
He should be fired. Snackshack Jul 2022 #44
Elected officials don't get fired. brooklynite Jul 2022 #67
Personally, I think it's because every real estate developer in NYC does the same thing. mjvpi Jul 2022 #46
That's Cold Fact, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2022 #52
But then, which valuation are real estate taxes based on? Is NYC benefitting from inflated prices? mjvpi Jul 2022 #53
Pure bullshit duckworth969 Jul 2022 #47
Merry Fitzmas Everyone!! oswaldactedalone Jul 2022 #50
Trump bribes and threatens The Wizard Jul 2022 #54
I have an idea... slightlv Jul 2022 #56
One doesn't get to be Manhattan DA by being faint of heart dlk Jul 2022 #59
sometimes they become insanely afraid of trying a case for fear of no slam dunk. Evolve Dammit Jul 2022 #61
Grand jury who heard it all were released and evidence returned. Sickening. Evolve Dammit Jul 2022 #62

C_U_L8R

(49,357 posts)
2. Democracy is lost by cowards.
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 03:46 PM
Jul 2022

Clearly this DA is in the wrong profession. Maybe he and Pence can start a limp noodle company together.

Walleye

(44,729 posts)
3. It's disgusting the way grown-ass men cower before this orange clown
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 03:47 PM
Jul 2022

Seems it’s only the women who got the guts to go after him

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
63. Putin has Trumps balls in his vise and he's a male human.
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 06:52 PM
Jul 2022

An exception to your rule.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
13. Same here, I'm so fucken fed up with this crap. Trump slithers away but they'll throw a kid in
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 03:52 PM
Jul 2022

forever with a little bit of pot. They go after easy pickings and then shy away from any that might kick back. This ass DA is obviously in the wrong profession. Over and over we see this, people running from this orange asshole. Incredible. Fuck Trump!!!

choie

(6,900 posts)
15. As a Manhattanite
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 03:53 PM
Jul 2022

I'll be DAMNED if I vote for that coward again. In fact, I may work for the opposing Democrat in the primary.

Response to brooklynite (Reply #16)

spanone

(141,542 posts)
22. Was he lying when he said investigation was ongoing or is he lying now saying he didn't want to lose
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 04:09 PM
Jul 2022

Maybe they're both lies and he was bribed....what to believe???

Trump Criminal Probe Is Ongoing Despite Departures, D.A. Bragg Says

Last Updated: April 8, 2022 at 12:45 a.m. ET

NEW YORK (AP) — Refuting suggestions that he’s lost interest in going after Donald Trump, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg said Thursday a criminal investigation into the former president and his business practices is continuing “without fear or favor” despite a recent shakeup in the probe’s leadership.

In a rare public statement, Bragg denied that the three-year investigation was winding down or that a grand jury term expiring this month would impede his office’s ability to bring charges.

Citing secrecy rules, the district attorney said he couldn’t discuss details of the probe but pledged to publicly disclose findings when it’s over.

“In recent weeks, the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office has been repeatedly asked whether our investigation concerning former President Donald J. Trump, the Trump Organization, and its leadership is continuing,” Bragg wrote. “It is.”


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/manhattan-da-says-trump-criminal-investigation-is-ongoing-despite-departures-01649362777



uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
29. You understand this is worse right?! No seriously this is a 100% bullshit assed reason not to go ...
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 04:52 PM
Jul 2022

... forward with a case like this.

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
33. That's Always Worthless, Sir
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 04:59 PM
Jul 2022

People don't need to be bribed to do what they want, or avoid what they fear.

Fella just lacks the guts to defend the country.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
35. Whatever Bragg does would not defend the country...
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 05:12 PM
Jul 2022

This is a State-level finance case. Nothing that would prohibit him from running for office.

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
48. Such A Quibble Is Beneath You, Sir
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 05:41 PM
Jul 2022

A few jabs set up the cross. Keep an opponent busy, give him lots of chances to fuck up. I'm not aware of any law declaring a felon cannot hold national office. It is accumulated public defeat and disgrace that will bar him from office, by removing financial support, and by discouraging many supporters. Those whose disappointment leads to radical action will discredit the creature further.

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
58. I'd Prefer Getting Him For Seditious Conspiracy, Sir
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 06:10 PM
Jul 2022

Till that can be arranged, daily citations for spitting on the sidewalk would not go amiss, whether from municipal, county, state, or federal authorities. Someone who attempts overthrow of the Constitutional order is the enemy of all government.

Leith

(7,864 posts)
38. Why did you post this?
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 05:15 PM
Jul 2022

Perhaps you are not outraged at a serial criminal is getting special, preferential treatment because he is rich, noisy, and powerful, but the rest of us think that he deserves to have his crimes investigated.

If you have a better idea on what the Manhattan DA should do in a case of millions of dollars worth of financial crimes, let's hear it. Please explain why this is funny or we are just overreacting or whatever. Just let's not have the old "outside opinions are worthless" nonsense. If you have better information, tell us.

As difficult as it can be to convey most emotions in text, our outrage & anger are obvious. So are mockery and self-importance.

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
51. It Was Certainly a Rude Post
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 05:48 PM
Jul 2022

There is something to the precise point raised, though. It is common here to declare a public figure whose actions aren't popular did so because of blackmail or bribery. It's a bit off-kilter as a go-to explanation.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
17. Bet he knows by now after watching the J6 hearings...
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 03:58 PM
Jul 2022

that trump is not a big, bad, invulnerable bogeyman. He should've listened to his prosecutors.

Talk about blowing a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. He could've written his own ticket into the governor's mansion, or even the WH after being the one to finally get trump.

2naSalit

(102,663 posts)
18. Bullshit.
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 04:01 PM
Jul 2022

Cy Vance milked this for as long as he possibly could without bringing it further than lip-service and when he picked this Bragg guy, he was fully aware that Bragg would pull it and kill it. Because Cy never wanted it to ever see the light of day. Why? Because he's protected the orangeanus for a long time and can't afford to be found out. Much like the sister who was a judge, she resigned before she could be investigated. Pretty slick racket they have there.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
36. "He picked this Bragg guy"
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 05:13 PM
Jul 2022

I was under the impression that the voters of New York County picked him. Something about an election?

2naSalit

(102,663 posts)
65. Endorsed by the guy...
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 12:13 AM
Jul 2022

And they made the voter think he would follow through when that was not the case. Yeah, so he went through an easy election which almost mattered, he still killed the case.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
20. He needs to stop worrying about his score card
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 04:05 PM
Jul 2022

and do his fucking job.

I mean if the Oakland As are scheduled to play the New York Yankees, should they just not play the game because they will probably lose?

Wuddles440

(2,090 posts)
21. Bragg...
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 04:06 PM
Jul 2022

should be summarily charged with Dereliction of Duty. Absolutely pathetic excuse from some one serving in such a position.

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
31. +1, The sussann case was a 100% lost cause on the merits form start and I'm pissed the judge ...
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 04:54 PM
Jul 2022

... even let it go to trial!

There was no evidence Sussan lied and even the assholes who took his statement turned on the prosecutor but they still went forward with that bullshit dead cause trial.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
27. So what happens when the state's AG finds corruption?
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 04:49 PM
Jul 2022

Will they be forced to prosecute? Her investigation is civil but I have no doubt she will unearth criminality.

The Unmitigated Gall

(4,710 posts)
28. I'll bet he LOVES the best seats at the shows
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 04:51 PM
Jul 2022

And the best restaurants in Manhattan.

Must be nice, as long as no one asks you to actually earn your fucking keep.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
37. Bearing in mind, you know nothing about his lifestyle, right?
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 05:15 PM
Jul 2022

I'll observe the New York Post, which loves to beat up on NYC Democrats, hasn't found anything juicy about him

Baitball Blogger

(52,309 posts)
40. Well, we knew the guy was incompetent, din't we?
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 05:19 PM
Jul 2022

And there were a few people in DU backing his decision, providing reasons that had nothing to do with the actual one that motivated him.

Snackshack

(2,585 posts)
44. He should be fired.
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 05:25 PM
Jul 2022

That should not be a calculation when enforcing the law. The Grand Jury makes that decision, if they indict you have to follow through with a trial. If the jury acquits so be it. Not even trying to do his job should be a crime.

mjvpi

(1,931 posts)
46. Personally, I think it's because every real estate developer in NYC does the same thing.
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 05:32 PM
Jul 2022

I have nothing to back this up, but it just sounds like a can of worms that Trumps defense could open up. Selective prosecution etc.

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
52. That's Cold Fact, Sir
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 05:54 PM
Jul 2022

If one thing has been made abundantly clear in this passage, it is that high end real estate is a criminal enterprise, a money-laundering scheme and haven for tax evasion.

I doubt a selective prosecution defense would succeed in court, and of course the cure is to round up the rest as well....

mjvpi

(1,931 posts)
53. But then, which valuation are real estate taxes based on? Is NYC benefitting from inflated prices?
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 06:03 PM
Jul 2022

I’m with you on the cure. My intuition says there is rot.

duckworth969

(1,348 posts)
47. Pure bullshit
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 05:35 PM
Jul 2022

So Chump gets away with fraud because of gutless prosecutors.

Do all the leg work, hundreds of hours, etc.

Then do nothing.

dlk

(13,245 posts)
59. One doesn't get to be Manhattan DA by being faint of heart
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 06:19 PM
Jul 2022

I’m betting there’s more to this story.

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