****1/6 Committee Hearings Day 8, thread TWO (8:00 pm EDT) ****

[Scrivener7]

Woohoo!!! The 8th hearing!

Tonight's hearing is expected to focus on tfg's actions as the rioters attacked the Capitol. There will be outtakes from the message he recorded to his cult members on January 7. The expected witnesses are two former White House aides.

Here's the link to thread 1: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16954731

[BumRushDaShow]

1. Playing clips of multiple staffers who confirmed that there were no calls between 45

to them or anyone else.

[irisblue]

2. Thank you for this Scrivener

[nolabear]

3. Thanks. This is just amazing isn't it?

For hours he watched, hoping they’d kill people.

[irisblue]

4. The President did not want do anything...

Which Senators did he call?
No presidential log?

[FarPoint]

26. This is in my opinion

evidence of a cover up....true?

[AntiFascist]

66. Burner phones n/t

[elleng]

5. 'The President didn't want to do anything.'

[IcyPeas]

6. he didn't call anyone to stop the riot

[uponit7771]

7. Yeah, this bastard didn't call ***ANYONE***

[crickets]

8. This lack of effort to address the situation is a clear dereliction of duty. nt

[Scrivener7]

9. For all that lost time, he was calling Senators and telling them not to certify the election.

[PA_jen]

10. he was making calls but not documented. Called Rudy.

[BumRushDaShow]

11. Showing a clip of what was playing on Faux Snooze as all of this was going on

[Scrivener7]

12. He was watching Fox news, of course.

[nolabear]

13. FOX being tied to the whole mess.

[irisblue]

14. Nice hand off to Kinzinger

[Laura PourMeADrink]

20. Kinzinger great. Phew no off-putting teleprompter

[nolabear]

15. Isn't not logging the calls illegal?

[regnaD kciN]

19. When did that ever stop the TFG administration...?

[nolabear]

21. Yeah well, there is that.

[wnylib]

134. So is insurrection. In for one illegal act, in for all.

[Scrivener7]

16. His staff repeatedly begged him to make a statement to stop the rioting.

[crickets]

23. As early as 2 pm, Cipollone was telling him to make a statement

to tell people to leave. Crazy that it took hours to get him to do it.

[underpants]

43. Not that he's a hero but he was saying something like

God damn it DO SOMETHING NOW!!

[Ohio Joe]

17. This is all real devastating...

Fuckin crazy…

[crickets]

18. Wild to hear the Fox guy talking to a vet in the crowd who said

the Constitution didn't matter and Pence should 'fight' for tfg.

[EnergizedLib]

22. They've forfeited so much

They have no right to tout the Constitution, law enforcement, patriotism or take the moral high ground ever again.

Ever. Their credibility is as existent as Narnia is.

[PA_jen]

25. This is a commentary on the Education system as well as Being Trump-sheep.

We don't teach logical thinking. if we did we wouldn't have the sheep/kool-aid drinkers

[crickets]

29. Very true. But everyone who serves takes an oath to defend the Constitution.

To have someone from the military say that the Constitution didn't matter is disturbing.

[EnergizedLib]

30. If you could reason with trump supporters

There wouldn’t be any.

[regnaD kciN]

27. Fascists gonna fascist...

It shouldn’t be any surprise that MAGAts want to jettison democracy if that helps them achieve their agenda.

[uponit7771]

60. +1,

[Scrivener7]

24. Ivanka, Patsy Boloney, Meadows and others all told him to make a statement.

He sat on his ass.

[nolabear]

37. Al Franken tweet:

Link to tweet

?s=21&t=dgzttK63-mkvv-h8WkC7CQ

[Scrivener7]

28. About the "hang Mike Pence" chants: Hutchinson says tfg said Pence deserved

to be hung.

[irisblue]

31. The distance to the Press Room, 60 seconds... JFC

[BumRushDaShow]

34. Map of all the locations was shown

[Xavier Breath]

35. Unless he encountered his mortal enemy, aka a ramp.

[livetohike]

32. 60 seconds to walk from Oval Office Dining Room

to the Press Briefing Room.

[CanonRay]

33. There was no golf cart available

[livetohike]

53. LOL n/t

[BumRushDaShow]

36. Questioning now handed off to Luria

[Scrivener7]

38. Some advisors didn't want him to make a statement because they

didn't know what he would say. Whether he would throw gasoline on the fire.

[Scrivener7]

39. Sarah Matthews, former dep. press sec. testifying.

[IcyPeas]

40. just noticed that QR code on the top of the screen when Kinzinger was talking

[crickets]

41. WH staff were worried about what tfg would say unscripted

if he had gone to the press room or gotten on camera in the Oval Office. Given what they finally got on tape, this was not an idle concern.

[Ohio Joe]

42. The President could not be trusted to give live comments...

That is an insane thing… Seriously, think about it… Fucking crazy.

[Scrivener7]

44. "In the four years of the trump administration there had never been a clean press conference."

[crickets]

47. That's just... wow. It's like not being to trust a child to behave. nt

[SergeStorms]

83. Zero self-control. Zero.

[uponit7771]

56. +1,

[underpants]

58. Just saw that. He was more unhinged than ....well he's always unhinged

Watching on delay.

[Scrivener7]

45. I really hope they answer the question of how they knew to use those windows.

[Mersky]

46. "Outrageous and wrong" to accept the calls to hang the vice president

Cippolone’s personal take on what’s wrong with tRump’s position on the “Hang Mike Pence” chants when related by Meadows when he said, “You heard him, Pat. He doesn’t want to do anything. He’s thinks he deserves it. He doesn’t think they’re doing anything wrong.

[irisblue]

48. "6 officers between us..."

[BumRushDaShow]

49. Showings clips of the breach and playing audio of SS radio communications

as they were trying to clear a safe path for the VP.

[crickets]

55. That was tense. It wasn't clear until now that Pence's escape from the Capitol

was that chancy. Wild.

[BumRushDaShow]

65. Fortunately they would know these floor plans of where they were

and had people stationed around to give status along a route....

[crickets]

119. Yes. Intel from the people stationed nearer the crowd saved him and his SS detail.

[Scrivener7]

50. 6 cops were all that stood between Pence and the mob that wanted to hang him.

[livetohike]

51. Trump's National Security Council staff chat log is

Being shown.

[EnergizedLib]

52. And why did all happen?

Because a cult leader wasn’t big enough to admit he lost an election he could’ve won had he managed a pandemic more competently.

[irisblue]

54. "did not sound good right now"

[Lars39]

62. People were saying their goodbyes to family!

[nolabear]

57. Screw the texts. We've got radio.

[crickets]

68. My first thought about that - they were all calling and texting families

because they feared for their own lives. No telling what they blurted to loved ones at the time that they didn't want to reveal later. It might be interesting to get the other end of those conversations if they're still around. You're right, though. Radio info is giving away a lot of that too.

[uponit7771]

69. +1,

[regnaD kciN]

74. Keep in mind that the texts would be much worse...

[nolabear]

79. No doubt. This is pretty horrendous though.

[Going to Canada]

59. Wow!

Thank You!

[nolabear]

61. Wow. People saying goodbye to their families. Agents.

[PA_jen]

63. The audio of USSS. Did they say Biden Protestors?

[irisblue]

64. What's BP please?

[Scrivener7]

67. "Members of the VPs detail were starting to fear for their lives."

They were communicating messages for their families, "saying good bye to their families" and "screaming."

[MontanaMama]

70. So if the SS feared for their lives...

Why did they delete texts? Were there two sides in the SS detail?

[Scrivener7]

72. Seems clear that there were. Some Biden trusts, some he wouldn't let on

his detail.

[livetohike]

71. These idiots think there were "hundreds of thousands" of

Trump supporters at the Capitol.

[MontanaMama]

73. Yeah...

Idiots.

[elleng]

78. Right; wondering about their numbers.

[nolabear]

75. Did tfg have access to what the agents were saying via radio?

They’re tying him tight to sending that tweet while Pence was being actively threatened.

[Ohio Joe]

94. Yes...

They showed that earlier he had said to Meadows and Cipillone that the insurrectionists were right in wanting to hang Pence.

[Scrivener7]

76. AS the SS was saying good bye to their families bc they didn't think they'd

survive getting Pence to safety, tfg tweeted that Pence had betrayed the crowd.

At the same time.

[crickets]

77. tfg tweet "added fuel to the fire" against Pence. (Of course.)

The tweet was what led Pottinger to resign.

Matthews testifies that this was interpreted by WH staff as a "green light" to the seditionists.

[Scrivener7]

81. And Pottinger is clearly pretty culty, so that's saying something.

[crickets]

84. +1

Strange that he still bragged on tfg in his intro remarks.

[MontanaMama]

85. Agreed...

I think both of these witnesses are “culty”.

[Going to Canada]

86. We are a part of history tonight! I am happy to be with all of you. I am new to DU. I feel at home h

Amazing history!

[crickets]

89. Welcome to DU, Going to Canada!

Glad you're here with us.

[catbyte]

114. Welcome to DU!

[IcyPeas]

80. Matthews said he was pouring gasoline on the fire when he sent out the Pence tweet

[Mersky]

116. tRump's 2:24pm tweet, "Mike Pence didn't have the courage..."

Link to tweet

[underpants]

82. Radio chatter with Pence "say goodbye to the family" chilling.

[MontanaMama]

93. So I wonder which SS agents thought

that was the end of the line and which ones aided and abetted the coup?

[Scrivener7]

88. Pence was evacuated a second time when the mob got within 40 feet of him.

At this point, tfg was calling Senators to tell them not to certify. They couldn't talk because they were being evacuated.

THIS is very damning. He's talking to people who are telling him Pence was evacuated and everyone else is being evacuated. And he's pouring gas on the fire THEN. He knew full well what was happening.

[catbyte]

90. These people keep saying "what great things" that vile thing did for our country

and that drives me insane. Sorry, but have they no decency?

[irisblue]

91. Calling out Josh Hawley out

[Laura PourMeADrink]

101. Ya she had to read that!

[crickets]

106. Hawley riled up the crowd with his fistpump, from a safe space.

And later he was trotting to get out the Capitol to escape. What a jackass.

[BumRushDaShow]

92. Showed clip of Pence being evacuated a 2nd time

including insurrectionists throwing objects at the security personnel in the hallways, including when what looked like a automatic loading dock door was being closed.

[livetohike]

95. Showing photo of Hawley raising fist in solidarity with

the protestors. Then he fled the Capitol.

[Javaman]

100. He was running like he wanted to be the first one out nt

[Lars39]

102. We laughed...loved the way they highlighted that.

[Javaman]

107. Queue the benny hill music lol nt

[Lars39]

124. Oh, yeah...the memes will explode

[electric_blue68]

132. Omg that was funny in a such a hypothetical way!

[Scrivener7]

104. Then running like hell and leaving the cops to be beaten because he has

riled up the mob.

[sinkingfeeling]

96. LOL! Hawley running for his life!

[IcyPeas]

97. showed Hawley running away

[underpants]

109. I. 6 minutes late viewing. Oh boy can't wait.

[Ohio Joe]

121. That was pretty funny

He’s such a tough guy

[EnergizedLib]

98. Such a big man, Hawley

Coward, standing with them in a safe space and running through the hall. You don’t even live in the state you represent.

[nolabear]

99. Oh yes! Take Hawley DOWN!

Not so smug there, eh?

[SergeStorms]

103. One thing is perfectly clear....

the insurectionists went to the same school of estimating crowd size as their commander in thief.

[Marthe48]

130. lol

I think official estimates were several thousand, not 100s of thousands or as one traitor said, a million.

[eleny]

105. The video of Sen. Hawley fleeing is priceless

Bound to go viral any minute.

[DET]

125. It Sure As Hell Is

I hope we see it over and over… What a chickenshit coward. And MAGAs don’t like chickenshit cowards.

[BumRushDaShow]

108. ****10 MINUTE RECESS**** Witnesses being escorted out

[marmar]

110. Kushner causes a visceral, uncontrollably angry reaction in me.....

[Novara]

115. I want to throat-punch him

[gademocrat7]

111. Hawley is a treasonous bastard.

[ms liberty]

112. OMG. I nearly choked laughing at Hawley

[nolabear]

113. Recess. Whew!

That was quite the event.

[IcyPeas]

117. video of Josh Hawley running away:

Link to tweet

[crickets]

120. You knew it would go up right away! People are going to play that thing over and over. nt

[Scrivener7]

118. THAT was GREAT! They established that he knew what was happening in real time,

people were begging him to stop it, he knew how bad it had gotten, and he refused to make a statement.

THEN they established that he had a Constitutional obligation to do everything he could to stop it, and instead he was fomenting it.

That was VERY well done.

[uponit7771]

123. +1, no way is TFGs defense could be "... I didn't know ..." even though Ivanka is claiming this in a

... tweet

[Scrivener7]

126. OMG. Is she really? That woman's psyche must look like a bucket of fighting worms.

[crickets]

128. MSNBC making the point that tfg has no "confusion" to hide behind after this testimony.

He knew from the jump what was going on and did nothing specifically because it was exactly what he wanted.

eta

The order to the WH photographer to take no pictures also illustrates that he knew that letting the clock tick while he called Rudy & Senators and watched TV was wrong. He wanted no photo record of his inaction.

Bush on the plane doing nothing during Sept 11 was not a good look. Made him seem weak. tfg did not make that mistake, but the lack of photos is just as damning.

[H2O Man]

122. Recommended.

Wild. Just ducking wild.

The J6 Committee is doing great!

[electric_blue68]

127. Hawley - FU

[Scrivener7]

129. ****LET'S MOVE TO THREAD THREE WHILE THEY'RE ON BREAK***

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216955423

Come on over to thread THREE.

[Going to Canada]

131. Amazing .

[nolabear]

133. Oh, Junior. A Godfather reference. 🤣

[Lulu KC]

135. Yes--and when EVEN Jr knew he was blowing it!

That took me by great surprise.