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edhopper

(37,341 posts)
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 11:22 AM Jul 2022

The problem with Liz Cheney being the face of the Hearings

Too many voters don't understand the overall picture. They see Republican Cheney up there and don't know that 95% of the other Republicans oppose these hearings and that if they take over next year they will kill the committee and do everything they can to hide the truth and turn the focus on some new bullshit "crisis". Or have Hearings on their own about Hunter Biden's laptop or worse, how the 2020 election was "stolen".
They will unthinkingly vote for some Trumper candidate because they say they will do something about inflation or gas prices (they can't do a damn thing) and we will see the slow moving coup go forward as they continue to chip away with Democracy.
I get that Cheney lends legitimacy to the Hearings, but she also obscures that the GOP is still the Party of Trump.

I need to make clear that this is an observation about voters, not a criticism of the committee or Cheney. Everything they can do before next year is welcome.

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The problem with Liz Cheney being the face of the Hearings (Original Post) edhopper Jul 2022 OP
Only inthewind21 Jul 2022 #1
You just defined Trump's base HelpImSurrounded Jul 2022 #2
Have you seen who people voted for? edhopper Jul 2022 #5
Kinda late to shut the barn doors on this one HelpImSurrounded Jul 2022 #3
True edhopper Jul 2022 #6
We had no Choice jimfields33 Jul 2022 #15
Yes edhopper Jul 2022 #19
I understand. I think polls show that voters are paying attention and jimfields33 Jul 2022 #22
I do too edhopper Jul 2022 #24
Being the best of three bad options... FBaggins Jul 2022 #4
I agree edhopper Jul 2022 #7
She has said R's have to make a choice. Either follow the Constitution or follow TFG Kaleva Jul 2022 #8
And considering she is losing to her edhopper Jul 2022 #11
So then, that shows the Republican Party is the party of TFG and it isn't obscured. Kaleva Jul 2022 #20
Which won't stop all those gerrymandered Red State voters edhopper Jul 2022 #23
Those voters probably don't follow the proceedings then Kaleva Jul 2022 #26
They probably don't edhopper Jul 2022 #28
But her presence makes it clear this is not a partisan "witch hunt." Irish_Dem Jul 2022 #9
Yes edhopper Jul 2022 #13
Yes. People do not realize Cheney is a maverick. Irish_Dem Jul 2022 #17
Except, the Rs will do their best to not include her in their ads question everything Jul 2022 #10
She won't be running in November edhopper Jul 2022 #14
I disagree with the contentions here. Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #12
I agree edhopper Jul 2022 #16
Doesn't it seem obvious that she will leave the Repuke Party? FakeNoose Jul 2022 #18
Yes edhopper Jul 2022 #21
I'm not so sure. Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #25
I'm not sure it's a negative at all regarding voters. KPN Jul 2022 #27
There are a great many swing voterts edhopper Jul 2022 #29

edhopper

(37,341 posts)
5. Have you seen who people voted for?
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 11:27 AM
Jul 2022

After 4 years of Trump, we LOST seats in the House and Senate.

People vote against the current President in the midterms. It's a gut reaction, not a logical decision.

 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
15. We had no Choice
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 11:33 AM
Jul 2022

At first, There was a list of names submitted to the house on who the republicans wanted and it was turned down. They ended up with two. We couldn’t not have any.

edhopper

(37,341 posts)
19. Yes
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 11:35 AM
Jul 2022

I am not criticizing the committee so much as looking at how many voters think, or rather don't think.

 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
22. I understand. I think polls show that voters are paying attention and
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 11:38 AM
Jul 2022

Approve of the way they’ve been conducted. I think it helps in November.

edhopper

(37,341 posts)
24. I do too
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 11:41 AM
Jul 2022

I hope it is enough to overcome the normal midterm bias.

I think the Dems need to make clear that 90% of the GOP running oppose the Hearings and support Trump.

FBaggins

(28,705 posts)
4. Being the best of three bad options...
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 11:26 AM
Jul 2022

... doesn't change the fact that there would be downsides.

edhopper

(37,341 posts)
7. I agree
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 11:28 AM
Jul 2022

I am not saying she should not be co-chair, just seeing some downside we may face.

edhopper

(37,341 posts)
11. And considering she is losing to her
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 11:30 AM
Jul 2022

primary opponent by over 20%, they are choosing TFG.

edhopper

(37,341 posts)
23. Which won't stop all those gerrymandered Red State voters
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 11:39 AM
Jul 2022

from giving us a Repub Congress.

I am talking about voters who don't follow things closely and voter on their feelings.

Kaleva

(40,347 posts)
26. Those voters probably don't follow the proceedings then
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 11:52 AM
Jul 2022

Or know who Liz Cheney is

Your comment:

"I am talking about voters who don't follow things closely and voter on their feelings."

edhopper

(37,341 posts)
28. They probably don't
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 12:56 PM
Jul 2022

but see the headlines that Republican Cheney is heading the committee.

Irish_Dem

(81,161 posts)
9. But her presence makes it clear this is not a partisan "witch hunt."
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 11:29 AM
Jul 2022

And Cheney made it clear that these were R witnesses, Trump's own handpicked staff.

I think this offsets the issues you raise.

edhopper

(37,341 posts)
13. Yes
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 11:32 AM
Jul 2022

And i am not saying she should not be there, just seeing what it could also mean.

In November, the Dems should make clear that the GOP will kill this committee and everything they have done.

Irish_Dem

(81,161 posts)
17. Yes. People do not realize Cheney is a maverick.
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 11:33 AM
Jul 2022

She is certainly not the face of the GOP by any means.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
12. I disagree with the contentions here.
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 11:31 AM
Jul 2022

Having an established conservative Republican like Elizabeth Cheney making withering (and well-reasoned) attacks on TFG is having an effect. Especially with those who are Republicans themselves and/or Trump voters.

She is a major asset to the committee.

edhopper

(37,341 posts)
16. I agree
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 11:33 AM
Jul 2022

I am not saying she should not be there, just looking at how many swing voters could see it.

FakeNoose

(41,544 posts)
18. Doesn't it seem obvious that she will leave the Repuke Party?
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 11:35 AM
Jul 2022

I'm guessing that by this fall Liz Cheney will be an Independent candidate. Maybe she can win as an independent, maybe not. But she could receive some kind of appointment in the Executive Branch if she fails to win her seat again. Liz Cheney has earned that, and I believe Biden will reward her with something.

edhopper

(37,341 posts)
21. Yes
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 11:37 AM
Jul 2022

I didn't mean this as a criticism of the committee, rather an observation about voters.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
25. I'm not so sure.
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 11:42 AM
Jul 2022

Liz Cheney seems like a die-hard Republican to me and one who is committed to saving her party from Trumpist-populism against all odds.

KPN

(17,368 posts)
27. I'm not sure it's a negative at all regarding voters.
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 12:00 PM
Jul 2022

Idiots will vote for Repuqs for sure, but they would have done that regardless. That’s my view. There is no significant downside regarding votes and voters to having Liz Cheney on the Special Committee even as Vice Chair.

edhopper

(37,341 posts)
29. There are a great many swing voterts
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 12:58 PM
Jul 2022

who go from Dem to Repub. Those are the ones I mean. Almost half the voters register as independents.

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