Keep your eye on Gavin Newsom

[jaysunb]

He understands how to take the fight directly to the Republicans doorstep and has the receipts . And, should he choose to run for president he's young enough to capture the same coalition as Obama

Proud of my Governor

[RKP5637]

1. K&R !!!!!! n/t

[PortTack]

2. I agree he would make a great president. I don't think he would primary President Biden..at least

I hope not.

[Sky Jewels]

9. I actually do hope he will primary him if Biden decides to run again.

We can't afford to adhere to political norms just for the sake of tradition and intraparty peace. We are in a battle for the future of this country and the entire planet (global warming). That calls for a warrior, not someone who is too strongly tied to the old ways of doing things--which haven't worked in years (bipartisanship, for example). Newsom is equipped to take on this gigantic job.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

11. I'm with ya! (nt)

[Sky Jewels]

12. Thanks, my friend!

[PortTack]

15. President Biden has done a GREAT job! Stop bashing him

[LakeArenal]

39. Just between you and me... my dream ticket....

Buttiegieg and Porter.

Sorry Pete if I spelled you wrong.

Edit to add: Or vise versa

[Magoo48]

129. That would work for me either way.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

62. He'll be 82 in 2024. He said he may not run for re-election.

My hope is that they talk to each other about their agendas and find a way to pass the baton from Obana to Biden to Newsom. We can't take any chances on losing in 2024. Catastrophic if Desantis is in there. Or Pence. Or TFG.

[Deuxcents]

95. Biden is doing a great job w/ what he's got to work with..

No one is bashing him n I’m not either when I agree that we really need some new personalities w/ new ideas. Our generation had our dance n we’re leaving a mess for the next generation. Democrats have quite a few possibilities to excite n get our message out. Mayor Pete. Katie Porter. Gov Newsom. Gov Whitmer, Cory Booker, Tammy Baldwin Tammy Duckworth to name a few. Lots of younger people w/ new experience n able to communicate w/ our younger voters who we need to include w/ their dreams n enthusiasm.

[jaysunb]

98. +1. n/t

[Magoo48]

124. Bash--to strike something or criticize harshly.

Saying you would vote for another Dem is hardly “bashing”.

[Handler]

146. I would be the last person to bash Joe Biden...

however we need a younger person to take the helm. This is no disrespect to President Biden, just a tactical forward look.

[GoCubsGo]

16. He has already said he will not primary Biden, should Biden choose to run for a second term. nt

[PortTack]

18. Good..it's not that I don't like Newsom..he will one day make a great president.

It would be a disaster for Dems to primary an incumbent

[GoCubsGo]

20. Yep, and he's smart enough to know it would be a disaster, too.

I wish the "Let's primary Biden" types would STFU about 2024, and concentrate on 2022. If the Dems don't hold onto Congress, and expand their leads in both houses, it won't fucking matter who primaries whom.

[PortTack]

21. Exactly!

[Mr.Bill]

27. I trust Biden to be the first one to tell us

if he feels he's not up to it.

[relayerbob]

41. 100% THIS

[calimary]

59. Yes Indeed!

[inthewind21]

172. Bingo!

[stopdiggin]

131. DISASTER!

and a little disappointing that a good number on DU are so politically naive ...
(or, more disturbingly, just don't care)

[PortTack]

139. This! Wake up...or we will lose

[inthewind21]

173. It appears

That some are just now realizing the disaster that many have seen coming for decades can indeed really happen. Way late to the party.

[SammyWinstonJack]

53. +1000000!

[Demsrule86]

56. He will lose the primary...and we will lose the seat and Newsome will forever branded as the one

who put the GOP back in power. Biden has an incumbent advantage. I sure as hell will not vote for Newsome in a Primary...he is from California- a know progressive- and can not win the moderate states we must have...the rustbelt and Virginia...I doubt very seriously he will win Georgia.

[PatrickforB]

72. Beg to disagree. As Robert Reich says, the media narrative (corporate owned)

is we need a centrist candidate.

Problem is on the right side of the continuum we have the Republicans who support a theocratic oligarchy with a dictatorship.

The progressives support stuff like healthcare, affordable college, climate change mitigation, a move to renewables, a higher minimum wage - all policies that are supported by CRUSHING MAJORITIES of Americans.

What is in the center, and why do we want to be there? Robert Reich asked that - I'm just stealing the question from him, but it is a GOOD question. There is no center between us an the Trump Republicans. So why not say what we REALLY stand for, pound on it, and see who is right. You might be. I might be. We'll see, I guess.

In my opinion, it is all about messaging. Look at Bernie. He moved the Overton Window until when you say Medicare for All Americans, it is supported by over 70% of us. Newsome has GREAT messaging. He is aggressive and pushes back hard. I like him.

But, as you say, Biden is the incumbent. I'm betting he won't run, though. Not if Trumpy is knocked out, and it looks like with Cheney co-chairing the Jan 6 hearings, the establishment GOP - the neocon Cheney-heads - are trying to rid their party of the Trump Q crazies. We'll see how that plays out, too.

You know what most Europeans I've spoken to (at least in decades past - prior to Trumpy) said? They look at the Dems and the Repubs and see one corporate party with two different faces. I wouldn't go that far, but we HAVE GOT TO move more toward policies that materially help Americans and their families.

I don't know if you have seen my posts about health care. I'm 63 and should be doing better financially than I ever have, but I've had to incur healthcare debt. Health care debt! It disgusts me. Particularly when I contemplate the so-called 'centrist' Manchin. I have called both my US Senators - Bennet and Hick, and told their staffers that since Manchin is not doing the Democratic party or the world a damned bit of good, they should have a public ceremony, with much hoopla, and kick Manchin out of the Democratic party. God knows, he ISN'T really a Democrat, and I don't care how much people say, 'well, someone to the left wouldn't win WV.'

I don't buy that. I think with proper messaging we can win pretty much any state. Manchin hasn't done the WV people any good at all - his policies have actually HURT them. But they don't know. Maybe a guy like Newsome can get that message across. We have to stop being nice and fight back UGLY, line by line, issue by issue. That's how the GOP got where they are, and we can take a page from the Lincoln Project and Meidas Touch.

[Demsrule86]

75. It doesn't change the fact that the states we need are not progressive and we need them to win.

However, I doubt Newsome would run in 24 anyway...doubtful he would win the primary and he could cost us the General...so I think it is a big pass for him. I would not vote for him in a primary as I want to win the General.

[DashOneBravo]

122. I agree with this.

I’m sure he’ll well on the coasts.

[Demsrule86]

133. Any Democrat does well on the coasts...as the people have a brain...but inbetween it Alabama

And Democratic stronghold cities.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

81. LOL I have gotten 6 emails from the Justice Democrats and affiliates over the last 4 days

The attacks on corporate democrats and the begging for money are really fun to laugh at. Good luck with your theory but right now, I like real democrats who are center of the party. We lost a ton of races in 2020 when the "progressives" pushed Defund the Police. Even in deep red Texas, the GOP was running ads using this stupid slogan against mainstream Democrats.

[PatrickforB]

93. I suspect it was the media mainly 'pushing' de-fund the police.

But it is true that Democrats can do some really stupid stuff. No one sane wants to live without police. Problem is, they have been indoctrinated with a 'war' mentality where they are the brave warriors and we the people are the enemy. It really has been a sick situation with all these kids getting killed - black kids, and so we had the rise of BLM.

Defunding police is a disastrous meme. We all know that. But retraining? More emphasis on mental health. Mental health support in certain situations?

I'm white, so I've enjoyed that unearned privilege, among the perks being I don't have to be scared when I get pulled over. If I were not white - a person of color, then getting pulled over would be fraught.

See this is the problem with the corporate media - they are too in tune with creating controversy because higher ratings equals more advertising revenue which is good for shareholders. Unfortunately, this causes them to conflate the issues or distort them all too often.

Let's talk about 'defund the police.' You know that began with the Panthers, don't you? They wanted to replace the city police and county sheriffs with a community based model. Then, after George Floyd got killed, Black Lives Matter co-founder Alicia Garza told NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sunday that growing calls to "defund the police" are not about eliminating police departments, but about reinvesting funds toward "the resources that our communities need."

Funny how OUR CANDIDATES ALLOWED THEMSELVES TO BE PAINTED WITH THAT BRUSH. How did they fight that? Was there a national set of talking points the DNC put out so we could all throw that noise back where it belongs and talk about healthcare and affordable college? Using our tax dollars for programs that materially benefit us and our families. Child care subsidies?

We spent a God-awful whopping $778 BILLION on 'defense' this year! Where is our healthcare? How come our kids and grandkids are buried in student debt? Why do we have healthcare debt and healthcare bankruptcies? We're the only country in the world that does, you know. And how come we allow someone like Manchin to overturn climate legislation when the world is burning up? WHY?

And why does a WY senator represent ~300,000 people, a Colorado senator represent around 2.25 million, and a California senator 29 million? And why do we have the electoral college?

Please don't belabor 'centrism' as a virtue, because what has been done for decades has not worked. Has it? The best thing we EVER did was the New Deal. Social Security. WPA. And then later to LBJ's Great Society - Medicare. Those are REAL government programs. Because anywhere the profit motive is in direct conflict with the people being served, then government should step in.

WHY in the heck don't we SAY stuff like that?

Sorry but I get frustrated with candidates that are so afraid of offending people who already hate us that they don't take real positions. Mark Udall did that in my state and LOST to Cory Gardner. Udall is a good guy. He really is. But his campaign was so mealy-mouthed that Coloradans didn't know what he stood for, and so they voted in Gardner, who is a right wing jerk that has charm and is articulate. Great sloganeer. Why do we do that?

For me, I think candidates need to look at what their people want, but PART OF WHAT A LEADER DOES IS SET THE VISION. We haven't really done that well. You may differ with me on that, but it is my opinion. Why do you think there are more indy voters than either Dems or Republicans? Why do you think people are so apathetic? So ignorant?

There is a proverb that says, "Where there is no vision, the people perish."

I'm just saying WE need to set the vision. The people will follow if the vision is good. Sorry for the rant, but I calls it like I sees it.

[Demsrule86]

112. Robert Reich is a fucking idiot who can't count votes...we would lose the midwest...we cant

win without the midwest. I am beginning to think that Reich is a blow-it-up guy...bring on the revolution. He said Biden would lose. He criticized Obama. I dislike Reich and believe nothing he says. There is no message that a person from California (and he is a white guy too which doesn't help) who could not move to the middle based on his record could utter that would make the slightest bit of difference in the midwest.

It is not about policy and if you think a proper message about anything would sway WVA voters when Manchin is gone it won't work. It is wishful thinking and would not happen at this moment. Reich is pretty much wrong about everything...and the 70% number about people wanting single payer is wrong...as soon as it is noted that private insurance would go away, the number drops precipitously. We will end up in my opinion if we can hold onto power with a hybrid system that will be strictly regulated akin to what many Europeans have.

Fetterman is more liberal than Newsome and has a populist message that could win over the middle...time will tell. Factory Town will work in other places than the midwest...and let me just say you should delete the part of your post calling Democrats' corporate' and the same as the Republicans...this is Democratic Underground, we support Democrats...saying Europeans say it and that "you won't go that far" does not change the nature of what you said.

[calimary]

60. We can't afford to be divided in the next big election.

I love Gavin Newsom. Been watching him for awhile now. But I think he understands now is not the time. And mind you, there's still plenty of time for Biden to rebound from his (hopefully temporary) lousy numbers right now.

On the other hand, if Biden decides to bow out, then GAVIN! Make a RUN FOR IT! I think he'd have a really strong shot at it. And while I love Kamala Harris and would support and vote for her, I honestly don't think America's ready to elect a woman President. We should be, by now. And I wish we could. But realistically, I don't think we are - at least not yet. Look what they did to Hillary - and she WON the popular vote!

[mvd]

92. Exactly

Hillary and Gore were both robbed of their Presidencies. My mom is 73 and I hope she lives long enough to see a woman President. She’s been waiting a long time.

I agree - as long as Biden wants it, he should run again.

[Demsrule86]

114. That is what I don't get...we can look at the map of how Biden won and how Obama won...and

and clearly see that the rustbelt states are a must-win. Newsome will not win those states. He will not be able to move to the middle and that is where elections are won or lost... I don't like that fact. But it is true.

[calimary]

126. VERY well worth watching. With ANY AND ALL of these pols

Watch them closely.

ESPECIALLY the handsome, photogenic ones like Gavin Newsom. It just so happens I like a lot of what he’s selling, at least so far. But I’m staying alert.

And that’s always a good thing to do, strategically and tactically. Stay alert.

Stay alert.

[Demsrule86]

130. I like him too but I just don't think he can win the states we need...time will tell.

[calimary]

164. Yeah. I'll be watching with interest, also.

As time passes, more people turn 18, and more 18-year-olds turn 19, and on up into the 20s and 30s when more of 'em become more invested in the system and taking their citizen responsibilities more seriously. From what I've read, the young people are the most fired-up nowadays, but I welcome further input that might prove me wrong. Because I don't want to be arguing in favor of something that I can't back up with facts. One loses all credibility that way. Besides, knowing the facts allows one to craft specific and accurate rebuttals. You can figure out a different angle, or a new line of attack that way. It's like a suit. It can be tailored to allow for changes in weight gain/loss, and height, and it'll still serve.

[Demsrule86]

165. I don't think 18 or 19 year olds will vote much...my kids were raised with politics..they went out

with me to GOTV. We hosted stuff at our house ETC...but their friends are uninterested or worse tend to vote third party. My daughter's best friend did not vote for Biden even though Trump might win. This is an intelligent girl...I hope she and others grow up and soon.

[calimary]

167. Seems to me they do grow up and into at least some participation.

Might just be that they vote, but even that is at least a wee bit of participation.

[madinmaryland]

68. Newsom will not pull a Ted Kennedy and split the party.

Now 2028…. 👍

[Demsrule86]

115. I don't think he will either and I do not consider the trolling in Florida an Texas is about

running for president.

[pfitz59]

101. I agree

Need youth and vigor. Too much is at stake

[inthewind21]

171. Acually

We've been in this battle for decades. Apparently some are only just noticing.

[Demsrule86]

40. He better not primary Biden...he will lose and he will never be elected president as we will

lose the General. Democrats always lose when someone primaries a sitting president. I personally would never forgive him.

[Polybius]

89. "Democrats always lose when someone primaries a sitting president"

Only Democrats? Republicans didn't seem to do so well in 1976 and 1992 when their Presidents were primaried.

[Demsrule86]

102. Who gives a damn about Republicans? What I said is true and you know it... And Ford was

not elected thus is a bad example...and we had Watergate which basically elected Carter...different kind of year. As for Bush I...he had Perot running against him in the General...Perot cost Bush I the election...Clinton did not win 50%. You know these things. I have to wonder why the attempt to mislead?

[Polybius]

125. I think you may have misunderstood my post

I'm just saying that no President does good when he's primaried, regardless of Party. Of course what you said is true. The reason that I mentioned Ford was because he was primaried and then lost. All I'm doing is adding to that by saying that no sitting President, regardless of Party, has won re-election after a major primary. Heck, 1992's Pat Buchanan wasn't even major and Bush still lost.

So basically I'm saying is any time a sitting President faces a major primary, he loses re-election. At least in the last 100+ years.

[Demsrule86]

128. I did misunderstand your post. I agree completely. Thanks for your explanation more than I deservedd

Mea Culpa Mea Culpa Mea Maxima Culpa...

[Polybius]

138. It's all good!

I also noticed that the person who challenges a sitting President never wins his Party's nomination in the future, except for Reagan.

[Demsrule86]

148. That is a very good point...and a somewhat surprising footnote in history...thoughts on why?

[Polybius]

151. Well, in the case of Ted Kennedy, he chose to never run for President again

Not sure why. He really should have waited until 1984. From what I hear, Reagan in 1976 actually came close to beating Ford. Perhaps that's why he became the face of the Party after that. Republicans held zero resentment towards Reagan after Ford's loss to Carter. Wonder why.

[Demsrule86]

153. I don't know why either. After 92, Bush I was an outcast in the GOP party.

[DemocraticPatriot]

183. Kennedy did not run again because

his family was opposed to it (his children). He wrote about it in his book... There was a family meeting about it, prior to the 1988 campaign, if memory serves.


One should understand that the 1980 challenge against Carter was not entirely Ted's idea... In 1979, he came under a great deal of pressure from elected Democratic officeholders and rank-and-file members to make that challenge, because the Democrats feared what might happen with Carter at the head of the ticket. There were "draft Kennedy" committees in New Hampshire and sundry other states. In my state of Michigan, there was a big press conference in September with all the highest ranking elected Democrats and numerous state senators and representatives, endorsing Kennedy for President (this was months prior to him announcing that he would run). US Senators like George McGovern and Birch Bayh were privately asking him to run. (They were later defeated for re-election with Carter at the top of the ticket, along with numerous other Democrats, and they lost control of the Senate in 1980.)

[SunSeeker]

159. I can't imagine him primarying Biden.

That would be stupid for his political career and a disaster for Democrats.

[Sky Jewels]

3. I hope he runs!

He understands the existential threat we face in the form of totalitarian Christofascism and he's not afraid to fight not only the good fight but also the whole war. We desperately need a candidate like him in 2024. He can get the base excited and motivated to come out to vote in droves.

[Demsrule86]

42. We need a candidate that can win the rustbelt in 24. That would be Biden...maybe eventually

we will have the ability to win the presidency without the rustbelt and moderate states Like Virginia and maybe Georgia...but not in 24. The point is to win period.

[inthewind21]

174. Are

You aware how government works? I ask because you seem to think a President can single handedly fix everything.

[Sky Jewels]

181. Huh?

How in the world did you get that from my comments?

I'm aware that presidents have limited powers to "fix" everything. However, there are great differences among them in terms of effectively using the bully pulpit, mobilizing the base, energizing the electorate, messaging, setting the tone, pushing back against right wing outrage, and so on. We need to fight fire with fire.

[musclecar6]

4. Yeah

Seems like he may have possibilities. Don’t know much about him, but what little I’ve seen he seems to have something going for him. Will watch him closer.

[Lunabell]

5. Yes!

You gotta fight these people and call them out on their lies and bullshit. We can't play by the old make nice, bipartisan playbook anymore. Republicans have made it clear: It's their way or the highway. And their way is christo-fascism.

[Demsrule86]

45. What he does while satisfying to me as a progressive...won't help with a presidential run...

probably the opposite. Look at the map. I really like Newsome but won't vote for him in a primary.

[gldstwmn]

6. He did a wonderful job with that gun law that was signed today.

[PortTack]

22. Yes he did ..ppl are forgetting he has a supermajority and isn't fighting an uphill battle

Against a split senate.

Easy to get things done when you have the kind of congress and senate California has.

[gldstwmn]

47. There is no need to qualify it like that. It's a brilliant idea. Others may want to take note.

[stopdiggin]

137. but it DOES require that qualification

Those kind of legislative majorities - are mostly found on the other side of the aisle. And that's just the reality of the political landscape. Nothing against Newsom, or his political instincts, but he does enjoy what constitutes a rather unique advantage.

[PortTack]

141. Indeed!

[cilla4progress]

7. I wonder if and/or how Joe will be affected by

his bout with COVID?

Trying to recall..did Joe say he wouldn't run again?

What about VEEP?

So, spitballing here...could be Kamala v. Newsom?

[pinkstarburst]

13. I would love

either Buttigieg or Newsom

[nbsmom]

157. Curious why you support Buttigieg?

I live in California, so will admit to bias. I really want to understand why people on this board are so supportive for Mayor Pete…

[pinkstarburst]

168. For me, it's intelligence

Pete is the smartest guy in the room.

That said, there are lots of people I am excited about. I also really like Newsom and Elizabeth Warren.

[Celerity]

185. He is the best communicator we have, he is hyper intelligent, plus is cool-headed under attack.

[Demsrule86]

46. Biden said he will run in fact...and he is our best shot.

[DemocraticPatriot]

184. Joe has said that he WILL run again,

as long as his health allows it.

[Control-Z]

8. Yes, I agree.

And I said as much here just a few weeks ago. I love my governor.

[boston bean]

10. I am.

🤗

[634-5789]

14. Love to see a Newsom / Buttigieg ticket for 2024.

[JanMichael]

26. I doubt Republican candidates would debate them.

They're both super quick and sharp and can go on Fox and make them look like the assholes that they are.

Buttigieg is particularly good. He kind of reminds me of Jon Stewart when Jon Stewart went on CrossFire and destroyed it.

[Takket]

17. yeah sure feels like he's thinking of runnnig for president.....

he's taken the attack to Abbott and DeathSentence in recent weeks. Trying to establish himself nationally.

[Iggo]

19. ...and beware of tone arguments, and who's making them. (n/t)

[budkin]

23. I'd vote for him any day

He's a badass.

[Quixote1818]

24. Agree! K and R

[onetexan]

74. +1 -K&R!!

[IcyPeas]

25. I'd like to see the democratic governors of Oregon and Washington join him.

I would like to see all the dem governors join him actually. as he said, the PARTY has to fight back.

....meanwhile today he is being attacked by the right because California is starting to mandate masks again.

[AntivaxHunters]

28. The Cali ticket - Kamala & Newsome?

[radical noodle]

37. I don't think that's possible

Presidential and vice presidential candidates cannot be from the same state (unless they've changed that rule since Bush/Cheney).

[Tommy Carcetti]

38. Sure, if we want to lose out on 55 electoral votes. nt

[Demsrule86]

48. It would be like Dukakis..I expect we would lose the midwest and likely Virginia and Georgia.

We might also lose Minnesota.

[spanone]

29. K&R

[Demsrule86]

30. Nope...we still need the rustbelt...Obama had Biden...Newsom would have great difficulty

winning. I highly doubt he could win the states we need.

[jaysunb]

32. The Obama coalition won those states.

Those folks plus millions of new voters are ready to get fresh leadership that's in line with their world views.

[Demsrule86]

36. Obama was from Illinois and He had Biden...California is different. Newsome would lose the

the rustbelt and the election.

[jaysunb]

44. There's always Tim Ryan. Nt

[Demsrule86]

49. If Tim Ryan makes it to the Senate, we need him in the Senate...DeWine would appoint a GOP.

And honesty, I don't think even Tim Ryan could save Newsome in the Midwest-not to mention Virginia and Georgia.

[Demsrule86]

156. I will never count on new voters...they never show up...just ask Bernie about that.

[inthewind21]

175. They did

And when they got to the WH, how'd that congress work out for them? My how quickly we forget. If you have a red congress, it doesn't matter who you have in the WH. Amazing to me how many seem to miss that little fact.

[jalan48]

31. He brings much needed energy to the fight.

[Demsrule86]

51. We need votes not energy and he would have great difficulty.

[progressoid]

33. He'd have a hard time in the same midwest states that Obama won.

Right wing media has been vilifying California for decades.

[Demsrule86]

34. Our best bet is for Biden to run in 24 and run someone like Fetterman in 28. See map.

Take away rustbelt states and we lose. I gave us both Georgia and Virginia.

[relayerbob]

54. I like and support Fetterman but he won't win middle America

Additionally, at this point, he doesn't have the credentials to even compete, and his health issues would become a major factor. Biden in 24, and Harris, Buttegieg or Newsom in 28, IMO

[Demsrule86]

65. Yes he would...he is from a rustbelt state...ones we must have and he can win Independents and

even some Republicans...I tell you the truth when I say Newsome has no chance of winning even PA much less the other rustbelt states. He is from California and a strong progressive and simple will not win middle America. I am a progressive a really like the guy but we would have to win over some new now red states in a big way to find another path other than the rustbelt...it can't be done by 24. We have no path to the presidency without the rustbelt

[relayerbob]

67. Well, Fetterman is not going to be the guy, either way

As I said, I like and support him, and I agree on needing to win the rust belt, but IMO, it won't be Fetterman. And he's not exactly a moderate, either.

[Demsrule86]

70. You underestimate him...he was amazing as a Lieutenent governor and would be a great

president with a little foreign policy which he will get in the Senate. Fetterman knows how to win which is what we need and he fought the Republicans in PA and won. I like Newsome but he is governor of a state with a strong Democratic majority. I just don't seem him as the best candidate calling out the right is exactly what you don't do in presidential races as you need more than die hard progressives like us. And Fettermn is a progressive but also a populist.

[Demsrule86]

76. I will remind you of that a few years from now...

[relayerbob]

83. Feel free

I have no problems with him, and would happily vote for him. I just don't think it's going to happen

[AZProgressive]

78. He is a progressive on issues that are popular

The moderate position isn’t always the most popular position. Legalizing cannabis is a good example.

[relayerbob]

82. I'm not suggesting a moderate is a better candidate

I'm just saying that Fetterman's approach is not going to win the day in a national election. I'd be fine with it, if he did, though.

[AZProgressive]

84. I'm not a big Fetterman fan

But I think he has the right idea. Pick the progressive positions that are popular with the electorate and run on those. He sided with moderates when it came to Title 42 which is why I’m not a big fan but it will probably help with right leaning Independents and some Republicans.

[relayerbob]

86. Actaully I rather like him

But he has the personality that one loves or hates, not a lot of neutrality. I don't think it will play well in the South and other areas that will be needed to win. If it was straight up popular vote .... maybe. Electoral college .... going to be tough, the attacks will be very strong, and he won't be running against a phony Dr Oz

[Demsrule86]

103. A-fib is easily controlled so no...and except for medical you have given no reason why Fetterman

can't win...maybe a lamb supporter? I lived in PA for years and now live in nearby Ohio...I have met Fetterman and even though I am in Ohio I am helping with the campaign...also Tim Ryan's campaign. I am telling you the truth...Newsome will never win a presidential election because he will not win the rust belt. And right now we need the rustbelt...so how exactly if Fetterman wins the rustbelt will we lose? Do you think New York will go for the Republicans? Or California? You obviously don't like Fetterman and can't see the big picture. I posted a map...showing what states we need to win... I suggest you take a look.

[relayerbob]

109. Since I've repeatedly said I DO like him

you obviously don't really care or listen to my opinion. Like him or not, he will not win, and probably won't even run, for President. I suggest to you, I've been at this a lot longer than you, so I don't actually need a "map", especially from someone not willing to actually see any other side to a topic you've decided on.

[Demsrule86]

116. Well you have never said why he won't win? Just that he won't win...I can I evaluate your opinion

if you don't share it with me? Is it medical? I don't see that as an issue in this day and age. But maybe you have a different reason.

[relayerbob]

134. Well, for starters

He'll never take Georgia nor Arizona, unlikely Nevada, Wisconsin, Virginia and possibly others. His health issues, especially the stroke, will be used on a daily basis as a weapon against him, and yes, it absolutely matters, in any day and age. His brash and strong comments will also alienate many people, and will be used to stir up opposition in close states.

I like him, I agree with him on many things. I donated many times to his primary and now to his general campaign, even though I live in Georgia.

But independents won't like him, and even moderates in the GOP will never agree with him, as he is too far to the left, and unless he has a lot of success in the Senate, won't have the credentials to even win in the primaries. Assuming we are talking 2028, there will be a LOT of candidates running. If it's 2024, and Biden doesn't run, then it's even less likely he will be able to be truly competitive. The last thing he needs to do, (esp if it's 2024) and that Democrats and the country needs, is another Sanders-like candidate to split the party, and I believe he has too much integrity to do that. Newsom is far beter positioned to take on DeSantis, whether you believe so or not.

He will definitely be a strong influence going forward, IMO. But objectively, it's highly unlikely he'll be a strong contender for the Presidency, also IMO.

[Demsrule86]

140. Newsom is extremely liberal ...I like, that but he would lose for the same reasons that

you say Fetterman would lose...not the health reason of course but Biden had a brain tumor and won. Newsom is from California and that is a mark against him in Wisconsin, I can tell you that. I think you like Newsom better and no reason you shouldn't;...I like him too. But you don't notice that both are liberals...and the same reasons you think Fetterman would lose would also doom Newsome.

I think that Fetterman's liberalism combined with a populist message is a winning message and could deliver the presidency in 28. If Biden can't run in 24, I don't know anyone other than him who can carry the rustbelt...and we may lose. I am hoping Biden can run. Newsome would lose in 24 for the same reasons that Fetterman would lose according to your post-he is too liberal and charisma only takes you so far. I disagree with you about Fetterman of course. But to each his own. Thanks for the analysis.

[relayerbob]

144. I have equal like for Newsom and for Fetterman, but ...

I'm focussing on 2022, not the race for President at some future point. And please don't tell me what I do and don't notice. I have not once stated that Newsom is my top pick for the nominee, I simply said that I would happily vote for him .... but I could say that for any one of a number of Dems, liberal and moderate. My preferred candidate (and I stated this in 2020) is someone young and preferably female, I think we've had enough old white men as president.

I actually don't have any favorites for that, because we don't even know who is going to be running. At all. And shouldn't. In my personal opinion, we shouldn't even allow perpetual campaigning, there should be strict and short time limits on when political races can be run, and when money can be gathered. The next best candidate may not even be someone we are considering right now, like Val Demings (who I would LOVE to see run).

[Demsrule86]

145. Ok then, fair enough. I was under the (clearly) mistaken impression that we were talking 28.

I think (and hope) that Biden runs in 24 and after that, we will need a candidate that can win a general. Time will tell. And no need to get 'huffy', I meant no harm. I tend to be a bit blunt and enjoy a good discussion.

[relayerbob]

149. Fair enough

Some are talking 28, others 24, I said I would support Newsom as long as he didn't primary Biden. Right now, 2 years is a long time, and that's about as far as I'm even willing to discuss with any hope of even being close. Biden may choose not to run, or have significant health issues, preventing another run. So, I'm mostly thkning of 2024, when I'm bothering to thnk beyond 2022 at all.

As far as 2028, the entire world is going to be in a very different place than it is now. I suspect we will see more turmoil in the world in the next 6 years, than in the last 22. The collapse of governments in Sri Lanka, Italy, the UK is just the start. Russia is likely to be up next, taking Belarus with them. God only knows the consequences of that. Global warming is kicking in big time, food and water crises will be worldwide and in the US, we may be seeing mass migration away from the desert West - or huge changes in food and water distributions. Of course, I could go on and on, but, to me, talk about 2028 is beyond speculation, IMO.

[AZProgressive]

166. As I said he is only progressive on issues that are popular

The rest of the issues he is a moderate on. He could win Arizona as the state is more progressive than Krysten Sinema. Voters legalized cannabis and voted to tax the rich as ballot measures. They also increased the minimum wage, the minimum wage increase got more votes than Sinema. Republicans may do well in the state in 2022 because of the mood of the electorate but in 2024 or 2028 any Democrat has better odds.

What isn't electable is to be against something just because Sanders supports it. There are progressive policies that are popular that Democrats need to run on in the future especially since younger voters are more progressive than their older counterparts and they will outnumber them in the future especially in states like Arizona where Maricopa County is trending blue.

[Demsrule86]

117. Why would he not win and why would he not run?

[Polybius]

90. Those states you label tossups (especially Texas) will all go to Republicans

Doubt Georgia stays Blue for long too. The good news is that that's still 287 EV's for us.

[Demsrule86]

100. The toss ups were put there by the site and don't count in the Democratic totals...

My point and I think you can see the fact we need to win rust-belt states clearly in order to win the presidency...Newsome won't cut it...and a California ticket? Oh my God, we would lose so many states...being a bit disingenuous I think.

Like it or not...there is a reason candidates move to the middle in an election- to garner the most votes. For example, we need independents. And Newsome won't be able to garner the votes in the middle. I like the guy but until we can win more or even different states...we can't run him for president.

My guess is he would not win a primary...electability will be considered. It is very important. I would not vote for him in a primary until we have a path to victory in presidential elections which does not require rustbelt states...I don't think that will happen anytime soon, and it won't happen by 24 or by 28.

[Polybius]

123. That I agree with, even though I really like Gavin

I do think however that he could win a Democratic primary (not against Biden obviously). If Biden doesn't run or Gavin runs in 2028, I really think he's charismatic enough to get the nomination. In order to beat (let's say) DeSantis, he'd have to pick a real moderate, and I'm not even sure that would work.

I also think running ads in Texas might backfire. "Liberal Californian trying to tell us how to run our state."

[Demsrule86]

132. I agree although I think a primary could go either way depending on who runs...

And the trolling is not helpful with a presidential run attempt...thus I think he is just trolling with no motive other than that. And it is very amusing. I like Newsome also. And if I thought he could win and Biden wasn't running I would vote for him in a primary.

But I live in the midwest, have worked elections for years ( worked elections in Wisconsin, Ohio, and Pennsylvania- tried in GA which was even redder when I lived there than now.) and know what works here and what doesn't...so I don't see a California ticket or even just Newsom winning a general. Perhaps in the future, we may see different electoral paths emerge. But I think even Virginia and Minnesota could be tough with a Newsome candidacy in the next eight years.

[Polybius]

142. It might depend on who gets the Republican nomination

Yes he's considered too far to the left, but what if someone too far to the right wins the Republican nomination, such as DeSantis (who then picks Kristi Noem as his VP)? Voters have to pick someone, and 3rd Party candidates have zero chance of winning even a single state in the foreseeable future.

I agree with your points but Newsome/Pete Buttigieg vs. DeSantis/Kristi Noem would be pretty epic. I honestly have no idea who would be favored.

[Demsrule86]

147. I think the GOP would win in that case...and consider...it is two white guys...not a good look

when our base is strongly African American. I would love to see such a Democratic ticket win, however...I hope to live long enough to see a woman and a Gay person as president.

[Polybius]

150. Perhaps replace Pete with Booker

Gavin/Booker balances out the ticket. I don't know who would win, but it would be epic.

[Demsrule86]

155. It would be epic...but I fear an epic loss. Although someday it may be possible.

[SunSeeker]

35. He's got charisma and knows how to take it to the Republicans.

I'm so glad my Governor is a bold Democrat!

[Demsrule86]

104. He will not be able to move to the middle, and we will lose.

[SunSeeker]

158. Newsom can move to the middle, like he is now with his "Money back in your pockets" tax refunds.

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2022/06/30/governor-newsom-signs-budget-putting-money-back-in-californians-pockets-and-investing-in-states-future/

[relayerbob]

43. I will happily vote for him

As long as he doesn't primary Biden.

[gldstwmn]

52. He is way too smart for that.

[relayerbob]

55. I know

[masmdu]

50. And Trump will release the gargoyle (Guilfoil sp?)

[gldstwmn]

61. And everyone can see how far she has fallen since her divorce from him.

She wasn't good enough for him anyway. She's right where she belongs.

[calimary]

58. And it's not hard to do in the most superficial sense, either.

He's GOLDEN, both inside AND outside (sigh!). And he's still young enough to have quite a brilliant future of high impact, and maybe eventually even some big white mansion in Washington DC.

[jaysunb]

64. 😆 🤣 nt

[Fiendish Thingy]

63. For all his recent bold progressive actions, I get bad vibes about him

You know the French Laundry incident would be a central part of attack ads against Newsom, and he had the bad judgement to marry Kimberly Guilfoyle. Maybe these are trivial, inconsequential factors…or maybe they are red flags…

Yeah, yeah, I know, but…I think there are better candidates out there.

[Demsrule86]

66. I kind of like him. I just don't think he has a prayer of winning the election...in fact I doubt he

can win a primary. But a primary would kill our chances in the General. My hope is that Biden can run in 24...even if he leaves for some reason or the other...we get our first woman president and see how she does leading up to 28. Or Biden serves the full term and we find a candidate that can win the rustbelt...I think Fetterman will be a rockstar if he wins...and he is leading.

[Fiendish Thingy]

79. Yeah, Fetterman's progressive populism seems like a winning formula

I just hope his health improves.

[Demsrule86]

107. We had a campaign thingy...I missed a couple becuase I was in the hospital with

A-fib, blood clots, and pneumonia...yeah, I had covid...thought it was a mild case...eight days later I had terrible pain in my right side...turns out a blood clot in my kidney was shutting down blood flow and I had clots in my abdomen as well. My daughter bullied me into going to the hospital...I don't think I would be alive now if I didn't go. But feeling better...I digress.

Fetterman is taking his meds and feeling good. I didn't have a stroke although I did have a mild heart attack so I know how hard a recovery it is...but with meds people can live with this for decades I am told. Kind of ironic about the A-fib. I had to study it inside and out so I could speak intelligently with GOTV...and when raising money. So I knew exactly what it was.

[Fiendish Thingy]

119. Yikes...glad you're feeling better. Nt

[Demsrule86]

143. I am thanks...one day at a time...I also had a wicked sinus infectin which the other crap masked

but am now being treated for that...I was shocked. I thought I had gall bladder stones as my Dad had them and pain in the left side is fairly common. I never consider the Covid. My left kidney was not able to move the blood because of the clot. That caused the pain. I thank God for it because if I just felt tired and under the weather, I might not have gone to the ER and I had a mild heart attack...Likely I would have had a worse heart attack or a stroke.

I was in intensive care for six days and then a couple of days in a cardiac unit. I never took any medicine before this...I had nothing wrong with me. The only good possibility is that some of this may go away as it was caused by Covid...I hope that happens. A-fib is a lifetime issue though. Thanks for your kind words.

PS, if you are reading this anyone...WEAR A MASK. I didn't wear one at a wedding in New York and I regret it.

[moonscape]

77. I live in CA and also think there

are better candidates …

[SYFROYH]

91. I'm interested, but winning in CA is not the same as winning in the US

We need people who resonate with the midwest.
The left coast will vote Democratic, the northeast will vote Democratic, but the midwest swings -- sometimes at our peril.

And I think a Democrat who can win the midwest can also win some of the southwest and southeast. Some. Enough.

[BannonsLiver]

121. What a pant load.

[PatrickforB]

69. You know, I bet he does run. Time will tell what Biden decides to do. n/t

[Demsrule86]

108. I do not believe Newsom is a stupid man and there are perils to primarying a sitting president

If he wins the primary and loses the General...it is over for him. He becomes the new Dukakis. If he loses a primary and we lose the General which is likely because anytime a sitting president is primaried, we lose then he is done as far as a future. He will be blamed for the loss.

He won't run if Biden decided to run. And in my opinion,he won't win a Democratic primary as too many of us consider electability...I do and wouldn't vote for him in a primary. I like him and if he could win the midwest, I would vote for him in a primary. But he won't win that region sadly.

[Demsrule86]

154. Newsom has said more than once, he will not run assuming Biden runs. I do not believe Newsom

will win a primary myself either way but he would hurt our chances in the General if he ran against Biden...I do not believe Newsom would do this...he is not stupid.

[Frances]

71. Ad in Florida

Newsom ran an ad in Florida
I wish he and other Democrats and Dem groups would run ads on Fox
Lots of people don’t watch anything but Fox and they have no idea what’s really happening in our country

[inthewind21]

176. They do

I take it you don't ever watch Fox.

[TygrBright]

73. It's pretty clear he's setting himself up to run if/when Joe is done. n/t

[bigtree]

80. would Gavin Newsom do without his Democratic controlled legislature?

...to me he's great at managing the Democratic majority in California.

I don't see a dimes worth of difference, however, between the governor and the rest of our Democrats in the national legislature who are trying to manage this slim majority.

I don't see that he possesses some sort of special gravature that would make the republican mountain move, or overcome the two Democrats blocking the way of our majority from continuing to advance the Biden agenda.

So much bullshit behind all of this hype of Newsom, the worst take is that he's better at confronting republicans than the rest of our party . So much bullshit backbiting out there because of the roadblocks Manchin and Sinema placed in front of our agenda.

There's no magic formula for overcoming it, no magic man or woman that will make more of an impact than electing more Democrats will. If Newsom can make some of that happen, he's golden.

[BannonsLiver]

88. Nah. He's a pretty good pol.

If you can’t see that it speaks more about the quality of your analysis than Gavin Newsom.

[bigtree]

96. the op has him running for president

...I'm focused on the folks in there right now fighting against odds with a slim and sometimes dubious majority.

We have a dynamic president and vice president who deserve most of our attention and support. Our Democrats in the House and Senate deserve the same consideration, or more, as this neophyte to the national political stage.

Newsome's success behind a decades-long Democratic majority in California is not the same as the fight our party is waging in Congress and the White House. I won't elevate him above those folks, and I'm non-plussed by all of this political activity of his into other states.

He's politicking right now, for whatever reason, and that may well be good for Newsome and California, but it doesn't move the needle an inch against the politics we're facing in the Capitol. That makes all of the talk about how good he is facing down republicans a farce, and a mockery of the people who are in a real fight with the republican opposition.

[jaysunb]

99. I didn't suggest or imply he was "running " for anything. Nt

[Demsrule86]

105. No, he won't win the states we need. The kind of talk he is engaging with now will not help in

a presidential campaign. I like the guy. But I won't vote for him in a primary...we need to win the General and the pukes would destroy him with bullshit accusations.

[BannonsLiver]

120. Can I have the next powerball numbers?

I Wanna make use of that crystal ball you have.

[Demsrule86]

136. You don't need a fortune teller...review the last elections that we won and the states that led to

our victory...we can't win without the midwest and Newsom would not be a good candidate for that region...I fear we would have a Dukakis type of loss...all the rustbelt states, Virginia, and possibly Minnesota...As for Georgia and Arizona...we would lose those too. You can look at the map and easily see how we win presidential elections.

I like Newsom...but we need to win elections. Thus our choices must be based on facts on the ground, not wishful thinking that we can get a magical message out that will win all...it just doesn't work that way. The math is the math.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

85. California Gov. Gavin Newsom goes after Abbott in Texas on guns and abortion

Governor Newsom has some great things to say about our idiot governor Greg. I want to thank Governor Newsom for running these ads in Texas

Link to tweet

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/california-gov-gavin-newsom-running-full-page-ads-texas-rcna39475

California Gov. Gavin Newsom is running full-page ads in Texas newspapers Friday trolling Republican Gov. Greg Abbott to highlight a new California gun law modeled on the Lone Star State’s restrictive abortion law.

The ads, first shared with NBC News, will run in the Austin American-Statesman, Houston Chronicle and El Paso Times. They modify an Abbott quote about the state's abortion ban and promote “California’s answer to Texas’ perverse bill.”

“If Texas can ban abortion and endanger lives, California can ban deadly weapons of war and save lives. If Governor Abbott truly wants to protect the right to life, we urge him to follow California’s lead,” the ad reads.

The move is the latest example of Newsom's foray into national politics after buying TV ads in Florida knocking GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis and decrying Democratic timidity while in Washington last week.

Link to tweet

[Xolodno]

87. Texas and Florida have been the two main states...

...to poach from California. He's returning the favor and they are going crazy.

How dare a governor from a state that could rank as a country in GDP pick on those peons!

They asked for it if you ask me.

[Demsrule86]

106. I don't understand how what he is saying will help us get more votes. Maybe I am missing

something.

[ripcord]

94. I'm pissed at Newsom right now but still have a huge amount of respect for him

[UTUSN]

97. Moxie & spunk work for me!

[Algernon Moncrieff]

110. Two Californians I like in 2024 - Newsom and Katie Porter

[DFW]

111. I like Biden fine if his health holds

If he decides he can't do another term, then I'm fine with either Newsom, Buttegeig or Klobuchar as the nominee. If it's Newsom, Porter is out, as the Presidential nominee and the Vice-Presidential nominee can't be from the same state. Porter would be a no-go for me, anyway, as she endorsed Nina Turner for the congressional seat in Ohio. That is such a drastic lapse in judgment as to disqualify her from any wish list of mine. Let her stick to her House seat--and serve alongside Shontel Brown, as she should.

[dlk]

113. I like Newsom, however,

Let’s see if our democracy survives the midterms, first.

[ananda]

118. Yeah, I'm liking Newsom more and more every day!

He and Beto are the real deal!

[stopdiggin]

127. I like Newsom

I'll also state unequivocally that he has exactly zero chance of ever gaining the White House. And the reason is quite simple. California.

And, yes, the state has a lot of impressive positives - at administrative, economic, political, and social levels - putting many of it's contemporaries to shame. And in the end - it just doesn't matter (to millions of American voters)

[True Blue American]

152. I was thinking the same thing.

Took the fight directly to Santos. Signed gun safety bills out in front with new ideas.

Meanwhile the media is still slobbering o er Trump, Santos and a few others.

Gavin is very quietly laying hid dipucks in a row. Popular in California. That stupid recall vote was a joke. He is Fired up, ready to go!

[Quanto Magnus]

160. I would absolutely vote for him for POTUS

I think he might wait for V.P. Harris to have her run though....

maybe...

[colorado_ufo]

161. What happens to VP Harris?

Newsom, Porter, Buttigieg, other terrific choices - but if Biden chooses not to run again (I think he will run), I think that he will promote Harris as the Dem candidate. He has obviously been grooming her for this.

[pressbox69]

163. I agree

but if Harris goes wrong, I like what I've seen of Newsom. If Biden steps down, perhaps a Harris/Newsom ticket will turn the trick.

[pinkstarburst]

169. If Biden chooses not to run

then Harris will have the advantage of having been VP. That's a huge leg up the others do not have. But she would have to run in the primary just like everyone else and I suspect Biden, as other presidents who have gone before him, would stay out of it and let the voters decide, waiting to weigh in until we have a nominee.

[Celerity]

186. No, he will stay it of it. Not a chance he endorses and pushes hard for Harris in the primaries.

Bookmark this, tell me if I was right or wrong.

He has obviously been grooming her for this.

They have nowhere near as close a working relationship as Obama and Biden did. A tonne of evidence is out there to support this, and given the fact that Obama did not put his thumb on the scale for Biden in the 2020 primaries despite their much closer relationship, I fully expect the same to happen for Biden with Harris. That goes for 2024 (if Biden doesn't run again), and if Biden runs in 2024, then for 2028 regardless of whether Biden wins or loses in 2024. If Biden/Harris loses in 2024, then the vast majority of the 'previously a VP' advantage goes out the window for Harris in 2028 anyway.

[William769]

162. I've kept my eye on that cutie since he was Mayor of San Francisco

Just waiting so I could vote for him in a national election.

[fescuerescue]

170. And would have a lock on Californias 54 electoral votes

[inthewind21]

178. Really

CA hasn't went for a R president since 1988. So I'm sure CA's 55 (not 54) are pretty safe. The south and the mid-west, well, they can render CA irrelevant. Just like they did in 2016.

[fescuerescue]

182. So it may actually be a net loss then

Since that would be some other state that isn't then locked in.

Might be better to get a nominee from Ohio, Florida or other large swing state.

[Celerity]

187. Sherrod Brown is pretty much the only Dem who would have a shot at wining Ohio. Even Biden

likely will not carry it in 2024, unless there is just some bananas craziness going on with the Rethugfucks (which is possible given these times of Trump and the QMAGAt christofash insanity, with a dose of DeathSentence tossed in for extra spice).

[Initech]

177. Yes! Gavin is awesome and he'd make a great president!

We need someone like that who is not afraid to call out the republicans!

[inthewind21]

179. So

You think "calling out" will do the trick in the Congress?

[SKKY]

180. If Biden decides not to run, Gavin is actually the candidate I would like to see run...

...But, I'm also very bullish on Mallory McMorrow, so I think that would be a pretty compelling ticket.