If a pregnant woman wanted to leave a state like Missouri or Ohio,

[no_hypocrisy]

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(let's say to move) and she plans on having the baby in an unrestricted abortion state, would she be allowed to leave her state of origin or would she be confined until the birth?

[dem4decades]

1. I think that would depend on the border police.

[FBaggins]

3. There are no border police

There is no way to know whether a vehicle on the highway crossing from one state to another contains a pregnant person.

Even if there were a state willing to try to ban interstate travel for abortion purposes... it wouldn't be enforceable even if courts would uphold such a law (they wouldn't).

[maxrandb]

2. Retrumplicans will just require they be chaperoned by a male relative

"Afghanistan's Taliban authorities say women seeking to travel anything other than short distances should not be offered transport unless they are accompanied by a close male relative.

The guidance, issued by the Ministry for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, also called on all vehicle owners to offer rides only to those women wearing Islamic hijabs.

"Women travelling for more than 45 miles (72 kilometres) should not be offered a ride if they are not accompanied by a close family member," ministry spokesman Sadeq Akif Muhajir said on Sunday, specifying that it must be a close male relative."

[gibraltar72]

4. Lock her Up.

[leftyladyfrommo]

5. No one would know. Mo. Isn't a police state.

Just get in the car and go. No one is watching.

Can't speak for rural Missouri.

[xmas74]

13. No one is watching there either.

We have military bases in rural Missouri. Are they going to try to stop all the pregnant wives and girlfriends from moving when they get new assignments? Are they stopping the 7 months pregnant wife whose husband just got a new job in Illinois and they're relocating?

It's all hot air.

[LiberalFighter]

6. Does that mean they are prevented from moving to a different state?

How about going on a vacation?

Or a work related trip?

[3Hotdogs]

7. It would cost money but the American Taliban could figure it out. At least as far as poor people go.

I remember crossing the border in California in one of the "Old Grey Dogs." Border guard asked me for my immigration papers. I was from New Jersey and N.J. didn't issue immigration papers --- but I digress.


There is no reason that Texas, Mississippi, Ohio and so forth couldn't set up a cop shop at bus depots and make women and girl passengers get off the busses so's they can administer quick pee strip tests. Way I see it, a little bit of inconvenience on behalf of Jesus's teachings.....













Fer Fuck's sake Ralph, its sarcasm. Make your hard-on go away.

[Maeve]

8. No, but in a state like Texas, someone might file a lawsuit

We don't have border cops in the states and no one is going to stop pregnant women from travelling. Let's not get all

[Hermit-The-Prog]

9. hey you, keep your head down,

[Scrivener7]

10. There is no restriction on women's interstate travel, and even having the

conversation gives weight to the idea that such a restriction is thinkable.

I wish people would stop tossing it around as if it is thinkable.

[maxrandb]

11. I would agree with you

If there weren't already Retrumplican controlled states THAT ARE ACTIVELY WORKING ON TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS FOR PREGNANT WOMEN!!!

I wish you would stop providing cover for Retrumplican extremism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/29/abortion-state-lines/

Several national antiabortion groups and their allies in Republican-led state legislatures are advancing plans to stop people in states where abortion is banned from seeking the procedure elsewhere, according to people involved in the discussions.

The National Association of Christian Lawmakers, an antiabortion organization led by Republican state legislators, has begun working with the authors of the Texas abortion ban to explore model legislation that would restrict people from crossing state lines for abortions, said Texas state representative Tom Oliverson (R), the charter chair of the group’s national legislative council.

“Just because you jump across a state line doesn’t mean your home state doesn’t have jurisdiction,” said Peter Breen, vice president and senior counsel for the Thomas More Society. “It’s not a free abortion card when you drive across the state line.”

[Scrivener7]

12. Really? I am giving cover to republiQan extremism? Because

I don't like being talked about like cattle?

When ANY of those things passes, get back to me. In the meantime, all we are doing is giving them air and credibility.

And my pointing that out does not warrant vile personal insults and accusations from you.

Disgusting.

[maxrandb]

14. Yes, when you dismiss something they are very capable of and willing to do

When you say; "I wish people would stop tossing it around as 'thinkable'" when they are not only thinking about it, but taking action to implementing it, you are providing them cover.

There were a lot of people arguing in 2016 that "they would never overturn Roe".

Nothing is "unthinkable" to these fascists. Your post has the affect of saying; "oh, don't worry about that"..."they'll NEVER do that".

That's a classic example of providing cover.

[Scrivener7]

15. Get back to me when you're capable of having a conversation without lobbing

gratuitous accusations and insults.

Bye.

[maxrandb]

18. All over this country

From my small circle of friends, to the halls of Congress, to Democratic staff answering phones and doing constituent services from town councils to the White House switchboard, you hear one thing repeatedly.

People can't believe we have gotten here.

They can't believe that Roe was so quickly ripped out after 50 years.

They can't believe that the marriage rights, rights to contraception, labor rights, and even the sacred "one-man, one-vote" backbone of our Democracy hang in the balance.

One of the main reasons for this is people from our side claiming that all of these things happening are "unthinkable".

This "effing" country put an evil circus clown into the most powerful position in the world.

It's way past time to claim ANY extreme policy or proposal coming from the Reich is "unthinkable".

BTW-I am sure there were a lot of Germans who dismissed what was before their very eyes as "UNTHINKABLE". They probably even said; "let me know when anything like the Enabling Act passes, then I'll worry about the "unthinkable".

[BannonsLiver]

21. +1

Not a big fan of the policing of words and thought.

[NickB79]

19. Unfortunately, the GOP is already talking about women as if they're cattle

Breeding stock.

[karynnj]

16. Thanks for the article, which is both eye opening and complicated

My reading, which might be too optimistic, is that because the anti abortion people do not want to charge the pregnant woman, but any who "aid" her, these new actions may ultimately have no success at all. If the woman gets all the information she needs from people in the blue state and has the abortion there, it might be there is no one these vigilantes can sue - especially if all blue states adopt CT and CA like laws protecting their citizens.

The worst impact might be that the woman would have to travel alone (or with a blue stater) to the state where the abortion is done.

Before reading the article, I had assumed that they would go after a woman who was known to be pregnant when she left the state and not pregnant when she returned. However, I doubt that vigilantes in their town would KNOW as a fact that someone was pregnant in the first trimester. As it appears, they are NOT going after the woman - maybe because they are treating her as a child or incompetent. It might be that there will be few IN STATE "aids" they can charge -- and out of state "aids" might be protected by their own state. (If everything they do is in the blue state, how would the red state have any jurisdiction. )

Obviously, this does not help those without the resources to travel or lack the information needed.

[maxrandb]

17. Except that the anti-choice folks "DO" want to go after the pregnant woman

They just haven't figured a politically viable way to do that...YET.

But trust me, their allies in corporate media, hate-radio and billionaire funded think thanks are working on it.

There is no limit to what these fascists will do.

Just look at how many things that society used to consider extreme that have become normalized over the post 40 years.

[BannonsLiver]

20. So people shouldn't talk about subjects you don't find important?

Very interesting.

[BannonsLiver]

22. Kick