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kentuck

(111,110 posts)
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 09:14 PM Jul 2022

Trump told the world his strategy at last night's rally.

He is being persecuted. He is a victim. The "Unselect Committee" wants to use law enforcement to attack him and his supporters.

He doesn't have a leg to stand on so he has to pretend the law is not just after him, but after his supporters and the entire Republican Party. It must be a "partisan" issue because that is the easiest way in the world to divide people. It is not possible that he and his mob broke the law and need to be held accountable? It must be "we" vs "them". He cannot face justice alone.

This is his strategy to discredit the J6 Committee and the facts that they have uncovered. It is to force his supporters to disregard his cowardly and treasonous attack upon our government and upon our Capitol.

Will it work? How many of his supporters still want to believe he is telling them the truth?

He will continue this strategy at every rally he can muster together. He has committed a grave crime against our nation and he wants his suck-ups in his cult to cover for him. Nothing less.

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Trump told the world his strategy at last night's rally. (Original Post) kentuck Jul 2022 OP
Has he lost ANY supporters? I doubt it. If truth mattered we wouldnt be here in the first place. Eliot Rosewater Jul 2022 #1
That's like asking, "Have they gotten any smarter since the last time they were snookered?" kentuck Jul 2022 #3
Not around here Adams county Pennsylvania Duncanpup Jul 2022 #6
Not in Lancaster County, PA either Mousetoescamper Jul 2022 #27
We need hundreds of women to show up at his rallies and laugh out loud every time he says something Walleye Jul 2022 #2
It's all about money .... Lovie777 Jul 2022 #4
He is always looking for a dollar... kentuck Jul 2022 #5
The whole MAGAt movement is based on victimhood. LudwigPastorius Jul 2022 #7
He wants them all to identify with him as persecuted victims, too. Cult think. ancianita Jul 2022 #8
Nothing new. Justice matters. Jul 2022 #9
I think that he is grooming them wnylib Jul 2022 #10
Absolutely! kentuck Jul 2022 #12
So put the National Guard in each state on full alert when the indictments are ready. wnylib Jul 2022 #15
Who gives a shit SouthernDem4ever Jul 2022 #17
Of course we should not let his threats stop us. wnylib Jul 2022 #21
I'm beyond ready SouthernDem4ever Jul 2022 #23
I think we all are. At least those of us who are still sane. wnylib Jul 2022 #24
I don't think they are as big a threat as some may think. kentuck Jul 2022 #25
Before J6, I expressed concern that Trump would call on wnylib Jul 2022 #28
I never thought they were couch potatoes... kentuck Jul 2022 #30
I think that all the states should be on alert wnylib Jul 2022 #40
They should be prepared... kentuck Jul 2022 #42
I don't give a shit, let them riot. They have neither the patience, the intelligence, Volaris Jul 2022 #37
Won't work, it is a lie. "Trump is NOT A VICTIM" , most know: TRUMP CAUSED THE RIOT Stuart G Jul 2022 #11
He will probably lose some for the very reasons you say... kentuck Jul 2022 #13
You are totally correct. Similar to Germany & Hitler, & Republicans & Nixon for some time. VERY SAD Stuart G Jul 2022 #14
It is unfortunate that so long as Trump can convince himself that what he did was right... kentuck Jul 2022 #19
Trump won't shut the F up!! Delmette2.0 Jul 2022 #16
YES, Indicted, Tried, and Convicted by a Jury of 12..... That will shut him up Stuart G Jul 2022 #18
I think it would shut up most of his supporters... kentuck Jul 2022 #22
I agree but. What if he is jailed and pleas to the RW SC get him released? Doesn't matter to... machoneman Jul 2022 #41
Orange is the new orange SouthernDem4ever Jul 2022 #20
The insane cult members will never change. Ever. Murphyb849 Jul 2022 #26
That is true. H2O Man Jul 2022 #29
His Jan. 6 supporters "are facing justice alone" now. GoodRaisin Jul 2022 #31
Recommended. H2O Man Jul 2022 #32
Recommended. H2O Man Jul 2022 #33
Different (due to internet)? Resolved in a shorter or longer time? Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2022 #35
Good question. H2O Man Jul 2022 #45
But, how do we explain all the young(er) folks that support him? Can't understand why... machoneman Jul 2022 #43
Good question. H2O Man Jul 2022 #46
Same ole, same ole. Surely at some point it won't work? Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2022 #34
This is not a Trump invention. KentuckyWoman Jul 2022 #36
It's his strategy for everything. live love laugh Jul 2022 #38
imo, Media should not be covering him like they did before. halobeam Jul 2022 #39
I'm so sick of this idiot and his neverending whining. Vinca Jul 2022 #44

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
3. That's like asking, "Have they gotten any smarter since the last time they were snookered?"
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 09:38 PM
Jul 2022

They want to believe so badly, that they are willing to overlook the facts.

Mousetoescamper

(3,286 posts)
27. Not in Lancaster County, PA either
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 11:31 PM
Jul 2022

The trend now is Mastriano signs, and some of them aren't the usual 16X26 yard signs either. They're huge. I've never seen a Trump sign, or any Republican sign, in the Lancaster city limits, but take a drive out into the county and there are still plenty of signs from 2020 and new 2024 signs, plus the commercial and hand-painted Brandon signs. My neighborhood has lots of Pride flags and Black Lives Matter signs displayed and I am a little concerned that we'll be targeted. The county is rotten with Trumpism.

Walleye

(31,056 posts)
2. We need hundreds of women to show up at his rallies and laugh out loud every time he says something
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 09:17 PM
Jul 2022

He can’t stand to be laughed at especially by women

LudwigPastorius

(9,176 posts)
7. The whole MAGAt movement is based on victimhood.
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 10:44 PM
Jul 2022

"Waaa! My white male privilege is ever-so-slowly disappearing!"

Fuck him and his poisonous, anti-American, shithead followers.

Justice matters.

(6,941 posts)
9. Nothing new.
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 11:00 PM
Jul 2022

Same persecuted victimhood as with rushaw, rushaw, rushaw is a witch hunt from the Democrats, and covid, covid, covid is a hoax from the Democrats, while he knew both issues were true (tower in moscow 'n phone tapes about covid).

wnylib

(21,611 posts)
10. I think that he is grooming them
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 11:05 PM
Jul 2022

as insurance against being indicted. With followers convinced that he is being persecuted for political reasons, he can pose a threat of civil unrest and riots if he is indicted.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
12. Absolutely!
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 11:12 PM
Jul 2022

That is his plan and he will cross that bridge when he comes to it. He is trying to threaten and extort the US Justice Dept.

wnylib

(21,611 posts)
21. Of course we should not let his threats stop us.
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 11:24 PM
Jul 2022

But, we also need to be prepared for the threats from people that he is riling up.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
25. I don't think they are as big a threat as some may think.
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 11:31 PM
Jul 2022

They have a core violent center of Proud boys and militia-types, but most of his supporters are only going to hang their hat on the wall and watch from afar, in my opinion. They are mostly chicken-shits.

And once they are throttled and jailed after one of their rallies, that will take the starch out of most of them, in my opinion.

wnylib

(21,611 posts)
28. Before J6, I expressed concern that Trump would call on
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 11:34 PM
Jul 2022

his thugs and followers to do something violent. People responded that they were couch potatoes who would do nothing.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
30. I never thought they were couch potatoes...
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 11:41 PM
Jul 2022

But I doubt they would try anything in the Capitol again, anytime soon. If they had plans to do anything violent, it would likely be in some state Capitols, perhaps in Michigan, Wisconsin, Missouri, Arizona, or Pennsylvania. Those Governors in those states should be prepared for such an event possibly happening?

wnylib

(21,611 posts)
40. I think that all the states should be on alert
Sun Jul 24, 2022, 09:46 AM
Jul 2022

regarding indictments. I am in a blue state, but there are a lot of red areas in the state. There are many MAGAs who would love to take action against blue state governments.

Volaris

(10,274 posts)
37. I don't give a shit, let them riot. They have neither the patience, the intelligence,
Sun Jul 24, 2022, 06:47 AM
Jul 2022

OR the resources to pose a long-term threat to civil order, so fuck their feelings. The man broke the law; indict his ass.

Besides, the longer we coddle them, the worse it will be. I understand why Obama didn't, (why he COULDNT), but those bundy clowns probably should have been sent a hellfire missle at very high speed.

Stuart G

(38,448 posts)
11. Won't work, it is a lie. "Trump is NOT A VICTIM" , most know: TRUMP CAUSED THE RIOT
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 11:10 PM
Jul 2022

Arguments will be held in families about this. Over time, Trump will lose many in his base. Why?

Look at the videos, and the idea that Trump sat and watched the videos of the mob assaulting the capital.

That is what he did. He did NOT stop the mob in the very beginning as he could have...

........DONALD TRUMP DID NOTHING TO STOP THE RIOT AT THE CAPITAL.

Yes, families will argue about this, and over time,Trump will lose.WHY..SIMPLE: DONALD TRUMP CAUSED THE RIOT.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
13. He will probably lose some for the very reasons you say...
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 11:16 PM
Jul 2022

But many will stick with him because they want to believe him and they do not want to believe that they made such a huge mistake in judgment.

Stuart G

(38,448 posts)
14. You are totally correct. Similar to Germany & Hitler, & Republicans & Nixon for some time. VERY SAD
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 11:18 PM
Jul 2022

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
19. It is unfortunate that so long as Trump can convince himself that what he did was right...
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 11:23 PM
Jul 2022

....he is able to convince his supporters of the same.

If he ever comes to the realization that people see him for what he is and he cannot talk or lie his way out of it, then he will lose the magic with his supporters.

machoneman

(4,010 posts)
41. I agree but. What if he is jailed and pleas to the RW SC get him released? Doesn't matter to...
Sun Jul 24, 2022, 09:52 AM
Jul 2022

the winger side of the SC if he was guilty or not. They do have the power to spring him out of jail especially if the R's win the House in 2022 or 2024. His supporters will wail out loud until he's exonerated of all charges and released.

GoodRaisin

(8,929 posts)
31. His Jan. 6 supporters "are facing justice alone" now.
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 11:43 PM
Jul 2022

That is, they are being sentenced to prison and he’s nowhere in sight for those supporters of his. Considering that alone would make someone have to be pretty damn stupid to believe that. Not that they aren’t that stupid, Trump supporters have certainly displayed over and over their deep propensity for stupidity, so, who knows, it might work with them.



H2O Man

(73,621 posts)
32. Recommended.
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 11:44 PM
Jul 2022

I think it is important to remember the ground was fertile for the rise of Trump, and his poison flower bloomed after President Biden kicked his ass. No matter what Trump's future holds, it is a generational issue. Group psychology indicates that time resolves issues for cult members and former cult members in some instances. But the internet will make that very different, especially in a cult with millions of hypnotized people.

H2O Man

(73,621 posts)
33. Recommended.
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 11:44 PM
Jul 2022

I think it is important to remember the ground was fertile for the rise of Trump, and his poison flower bloomed after President Biden kicked his ass. No matter what Trump's future holds, it is a generational issue. Group psychology indicates that time resolves issues for cult members and former cult members in some instances. But the internet will make that very different, especially in a cult with millions of hypnotized people.

H2O Man

(73,621 posts)
45. Good question.
Sun Jul 24, 2022, 11:04 AM
Jul 2022

We are in unchartered waters. So I can only speculate.

One of the tactics of a cult is to separate an individual from his/her previous circle of family and friends, so that they are exposed to the cult philosophy but not competing points of view. We see aspects of that, in a non-geographical way, with the internet. Just in reading DU since the beginning of the Trump era, we see people here who have tensions with a number of family, friends, neighbors, and/or co-workers, as those they once knew and conversed with were sucked into the cult. This spills over, of course, onto the internet. On FB, for one small example, a couple ladies that went to the same high school as I did made a private group, where they could speak without being attacked by family, friends, etc, who promote the hostility and lies of the cult members they once knew as reasonable people.

Anyhow, to de-program cult members, the first step is to remove them from the influence of the group. That is difficult when the internet is available. It i best done on an individual level, and is much more difficult if rather than believing some crazy shit, they are part of a complex delusional system. That may seem a fine line, but it exists, and 25% of adult Americans have stepped over it.

I think there are some cult members who haven't quite taken that step. A combination of recognizing that Trump lies to them, conned them out of money, and failed to maintain the presidency, makes it possible that they will regain their senses. The internet might make that healing happen quicker. But the majority will remain fearful, racist, delusional cult members, though they may follow the next Trump-like "leader." And I think that the internet will make this core group a much longer-lasting threat.

machoneman

(4,010 posts)
43. But, how do we explain all the young(er) folks that support him? Can't understand why...
Sun Jul 24, 2022, 09:54 AM
Jul 2022

the young do support him at all. The older ones yes but is it possible that they influenced at least 2 younger generations that he is the Messiah?

H2O Man

(73,621 posts)
46. Good question.
Sun Jul 24, 2022, 11:53 AM
Jul 2022

I'd love to go into great detail in my response, but will try to keep this reasonably short. Best of luck with that, considering it involves to related areas of study I find fascinating. Let's start with generations. In this case, from parents to their children, rather than multi-generations.

The concept of social mobility tends to be based upon the exceptions, rather than the rule. We might need look no further than our classmates from school to confirm this. Those who had doctors and lawyers for parents tended to end up, as adults, in or near the same social class as their parents. Those with middle class parents tended to become middle class, although the definition has somewhat shifted due to the rapid shrinking of that class. Working class parents produced working class offspring. And certainly we witness the damage that multi-generational low-income/ public assistance has resulted in -- not do to LBJ's planned Great Society, but from the Nixon-republican recognition that by creating a bureaucracy, there can be lots of money made off an investment in keeping people poor.

Second, we consider the growth of an individual from teenager to youth to the phases of adulthood. It is common for teens to have a period of experimentation and rebellion. A few of us have never stopped, but most adults have. Youth is known for its self-righteous indignation that "the system" is flawed. But as they begin to navigate the adult world, especially employment, they tend to adjust their behaviors in order to make ends meet. Add a child or two, and their opinions and behaviors change to go with the flow of the greater society. We need look no further than my generation, that were young in the 1960s and '70s. No less than 85% of us have become our parents, just in this season's garden, not much different than the string beans I have growing this year, from seeds I harvested last year.

Now, what is upsetting that apple cart is that the idea that kids will grow up to replace their parents' status doesn't seem to hold for those other than those born into wealthy families. An obvious example is found in coal-mining communities. Generations of miners counted on earning a paycheck by working in the mines. Raising a family. Maybe seeing grandchildren before dying a painful death. This was their stability. But now machines mine coal, and those gosh-darned northern liberals want to end the coal industry. This creates -- or increases -- the social anxiety and tensions.

Next, let's consider some social group ..... say, white people in the southeast. Some worked hard to maintain about the same social status as their parents. They may be sending their children to college, but many degrees today only suggest the same income level as a high school education did when I was young. And for the few that might be well-educated, there aren't so many jobs in their home towns. This creates a steep increase in the anxiety and fear levels, not just in individual families, but in a manner that saturates their society.

Again, Trump did not create this atmosphere, but he exploited it. For every would-be tyrant throughout history has know that in order to get the masses to forget about their own low-level of being, all he has to do is make them focus their fears and hatred on some minority group. Announce that he alone understands the secret plot of the enemies, and he alone can fix it. Today, of course, the enemies are liberals and non-white people.

Thus, more than who is in office has to change ..... there needs to be significant changes in "the system" ..... including our current economic system. It is a sad fact that many of those who would benefit the most are those most hostile to the needed changes. For they are victims of fear and ignorance, And their children have become this year's crop, and on and on.

KentuckyWoman

(6,694 posts)
36. This is not a Trump invention.
Sun Jul 24, 2022, 12:19 AM
Jul 2022


Evangelicals are especially groomed to tighten up as a group to their made up persecution but they don't have a corner on it.

Sport teams. School rivalries. Classism. Racism. Bigotries of all sorts. The powers that be love to divide us and keep us fighting each other so they can keep rigging in their favor.

halobeam

(4,873 posts)
39. imo, Media should not be covering him like they did before.
Sun Jul 24, 2022, 09:34 AM
Jul 2022

He is spewing hate and inciting violence at his rallies. He should be arrested for that already, it's illegal. If we take the same steps as the last time with him, how will this have a safer ending?

He doesn't deserve to be allowed to do this again.

Ugh, I am SO disgusted.

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