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Who's with me? (Original Post) 634-5789 Jul 2022 OP
Kicked. KPN Jul 2022 #1
☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️ PortTack Jul 2022 #2
K & R! 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2022 #3
Other than the fact that at least SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #4
Over? Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? grantcart Jul 2022 #10
Love the reference!!! N/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #12
I see nothing untrue in the tweet soldierant Jul 2022 #25
Just that SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #28
I'm so glad to find this early in the thread Sympthsical Jul 2022 #32
All 5 points are untrue, but they reflect the popular opinion of folks who... CaptainTruth Jul 2022 #34
I still haven't found a single person outside the legal profession who can explain... CaptainTruth Jul 2022 #36
THIS! summer_in_TX Jul 2022 #5
I agree with you OLDMDDEM Jul 2022 #6
It is a MUST! Escurumbele Jul 2022 #7
Yeah, you and what army? Wednesdays Jul 2022 #8
Miranda was NOT overturned. dmr Jul 2022 #9
that's kind of overturning Miranda rights IMO MadameButterfly Jul 2022 #21
Wow. I agree with you. That comment was walking in circles. Weird. C Moon Jul 2022 #39
Hmmm ... okay, if we must be picky. But the KPN Jul 2022 #27
GOTV. Expanding the court requires more Democrats in Congress emulatorloo Jul 2022 #11
Exactly! Roe your vote! Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #13
Love that! emulatorloo Jul 2022 #14
I think this is what enrages people the most and will GOTV. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #16
We have to win the midterms MadameButterfly Jul 2022 #24
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 uponit7771 Jul 2022 #26
Getting out the vote is essential, but it doesn't fix the problems with SCOTUS FakeNoose Jul 2022 #29
To expand the supreme court, we need more Democrats in Congress to vote to expand the court. emulatorloo Jul 2022 #30
Tribal rights SLClarke Jul 2022 #15
Yup, that too! 2naSalit Jul 2022 #40
I entirely agree. The GOP packed the court with conservatives by discarding all the norms Martin68 Jul 2022 #17
ME! WITH Ya! Right HERE!!! ME!!!!! calimary Jul 2022 #18
Count me in, too! lastlib Jul 2022 #23
"the court have overturned Miranda rights" Slammer Jul 2022 #19
Only a few short years before... 2naSalit Jul 2022 #41
K&R! gademocrat7 Jul 2022 #20
Yup. It's a mess out there. Joinfortmill Jul 2022 #22
FOUR NEW in 2022. James48 Jul 2022 #31
Absolutely! sellitman Jul 2022 #33
KICK orangecrush Jul 2022 #35
truth BlueKentuckyGirl Jul 2022 #37
Absolutey, the court needs to be expanded. ShazzieB Jul 2022 #38
Even if Manchin and Sinema are the ones getting blamed... brooklynite Jul 2022 #42

KPN

(17,376 posts)
1. Kicked.
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 02:51 PM
Jul 2022

Caution is counterproductive and self-defeating at times. This is one of them in my opinion.

soldierant

(9,354 posts)
25. I see nothing untrue in the tweet
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 05:07 PM
Jul 2022

You might want to say that, for instance, overturning Roe didn't make abortion illegal. But in many states - I believe over half - that's exactly what it dod, because of the trigger laws in place which went into immediate effect.

Sure, you could nitpick some of those things on technicalities. But the overall effects are exactly as described.

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
28. Just that
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 05:45 PM
Jul 2022

The court didn’t make abortion illegal, didn’t make gun control illegal, and didn’t overturn Miranda rights.

Facts actually do matter .

Sympthsical

(10,969 posts)
32. I'm so glad to find this early in the thread
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 07:17 PM
Jul 2022

I was reading that going, "No. Also no. Nope. That is not how it works."

Lordy.

CaptainTruth

(8,199 posts)
34. All 5 points are untrue, but they reflect the popular opinion of folks who...
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 09:50 PM
Jul 2022

...don't fully understand the nuances of the cases & the nuances of the law.

I hate to say that, & I'm probably going to get criticized to no end for saying it, but it's true. Our media grossly misrepresents many court decisions, I'd say the majority of MSM news stories about major court decisions are wrong in significant ways, & then folks like this guy repeat & exaggerate those mischaracterizations. I try to help, but I get tired of explaining the same things over & over.

Should I start a blog so my friends to refer to my material? Perhaps I should. Years ago I had my own web site where I published all my research & writing about the Project for the New American Century & how they wanted 9/11 so they could use it as an excuse for the Iraq invasion, more than enough for a book, because at the time my goal was to publish a book. I'm thinking I should just have a blog so I can refer folks to it.

CaptainTruth

(8,199 posts)
36. I still haven't found a single person outside the legal profession who can explain...
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 10:40 PM
Jul 2022

...the EPA decision to me without Googling it.

Bottom line, Congress screwed up. Law professors at major law schools were writing extensive analysis of this problem, & the potential consequences, back in 1994, at least that's one of the earliest I've found.

Previously lower courts gave Congress the benefit of the doubt even though they contracted themselves in the bill, but we finally arrived at a SCOTUS who said "Congress, it's not clear exactly what power you intended to give the EPA, so we're making this decision & Congress it's up to YOU to clarify what you intended."

Nothing was made illegal. Nothing was prohibited. Congress just screwed up & made a stupid editing mistake when reconciling House & Senate bills, & Congress can 100% fix their mistake if they care to.

Instead of spreading untrue information & bitching, it's MY-HUMBLE-OPINION that we should focus on understanding the facts & pressuring Congress to fix their damn mistake. But that's just me... *suffering from COVID & tired*

Wednesdays

(22,597 posts)
8. Yeah, you and what army?
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 03:17 PM
Jul 2022

Because that's what it'll take to get that done before January 2023, since we don't have the senate votes for that now.

dmr

(28,705 posts)
9. Miranda was NOT overturned.
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 03:22 PM
Jul 2022

Police still have to read us Miranda. Our rights are in tact.

Except ...

We can NO LONGER SUE law enforcement for violating our Miranda rights.

Which means law enforcement can purposely neglect reading our rights, and get away with it. That's playing games meant to hurt people like us. Grrr ...

C Moon

(13,642 posts)
39. Wow. I agree with you. That comment was walking in circles. Weird.
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 02:06 AM
Jul 2022

Makes you wonder about some of the DU'rs commitment to the DU cause.
There's been a lot of that in the past couple of months and it's picking up in the last week.

KPN

(17,376 posts)
27. Hmmm ... okay, if we must be picky. But the
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 05:11 PM
Jul 2022

result is exactly the same. Results are what counts.

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
13. Exactly! Roe your vote!
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 03:31 PM
Jul 2022

Roe, Roe, Roe your vote
against theocracy!
Republicans revoke your rights
and kill democracy!

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
16. I think this is what enrages people the most and will GOTV.
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 03:40 PM
Jul 2022

There are women in every slave state who are in trouble right now. We shouldn't have to be fighting this again.

MadameButterfly

(4,039 posts)
24. We have to win the midterms
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 04:48 PM
Jul 2022

and convince joe Biden to do something that won't be called reaching across the aisle.
If anything can convince him (and the voters) this court will.
We just have to make sure Republican legislatures don't overturn it if we win

FakeNoose

(41,631 posts)
29. Getting out the vote is essential, but it doesn't fix the problems with SCOTUS
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 05:54 PM
Jul 2022

Chump got to add 3 ultra-conservative judges to SCOTUS which is more than any President since FDR. Joe Biden gets Ketqanji Brown Jackson and who knows what will happen in the next election? Even if Biden wins, he may not get to nominate any more Supreme Court justices during his 2nd term.

All we can do is hope for somebody (Thomas?) to resign, or else keel over and die.
Pro Tip: he won't resign as long as a Dem is POTUS.

It's not a pleasant thought.

emulatorloo

(46,155 posts)
30. To expand the supreme court, we need more Democrats in Congress to vote to expand the court.
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:31 PM
Jul 2022

Then Biden could appoint more Supreme Court judges. That’s the part of the OP I am talking about.

Martin68

(27,741 posts)
17. I entirely agree. The GOP packed the court with conservatives by discarding all the norms
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 03:47 PM
Jul 2022

of nomination and approval of justices.

Slammer

(714 posts)
19. "the court have overturned Miranda rights"
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 04:42 PM
Jul 2022

Any court which has made it illegal to wear a hat with a large amount of fake fruit on it has definitely lost my support.

The rights were firmly established in Hedda Harper v. Carmen Miranda in 1941, if I recall correctly.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
42. Even if Manchin and Sinema are the ones getting blamed...
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 08:21 AM
Jul 2022

My estimate is there’s nothing close to a Senate majority in favor of expanding the Court.

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