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fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 05:32 PM Jul 2022

MSNBC: Claire McCaskill and Andrew Weissmann were complaining, trashing Garland then this happened.

Last edited Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:09 PM - Edit history (1)

Breaking News, Pence Chief of Staff testifies in front of grand jury in Jan 6th investigation. They both shut up real quick, they looked foolish.

In my opinion, people need to let Garland do his job and stop complaining that things are not going the way they think they should. There is a chance you could end up looking foolish.

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MSNBC: Claire McCaskill and Andrew Weissmann were complaining, trashing Garland then this happened. (Original Post) fightforfreedom Jul 2022 OP
Rather be surprised and wrong... Kid Berwyn Jul 2022 #1
Why would a former senator and private sector lawyer, both now on on media payroll TheProle Jul 2022 #46
For the good of the country. Kid Berwyn Jul 2022 #100
In the long run, we're better off if some of us look foolish FoxNewsSucks Jul 2022 #2
Is that before or after we lose the midterm because of such clueless comments as those two Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #7
Post removed Post removed Jul 2022 #19
THIS, DAMMIT! calimary Jul 2022 #43
Duplicate. Sorry... calimary Jul 2022 #50
There will be no take over if we win the midterm decisively and run Biden if he is healthy Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #51
+1 ancianita Jul 2022 #94
Thank you Ancianita! How are you? Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #98
Hi, Demsrule86! I'm good. You are you? ancianita Jul 2022 #101
I am recovering...still in shock that I have been so ill...I never took any meds before. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #115
Oh no, that IS a shock! I'm so sorry you've suffered! Your advice is much appreciated. ancianita Jul 2022 #116
I am fortunate that I can afford the meds...(barely). I did not choose a plan with good Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #117
Glad you can. Meds that are priced that high priced need competitive purchasing by our govt. ancianita Jul 2022 #118
DU is fortunate for you. ancianita Jul 2022 #123
This Ferrets are Cool Jul 2022 #59
Nobody is going to lose any election because... jcgoldie Jul 2022 #52
"Nobody is going to lose an election" stopdiggin Jul 2022 #69
Its not a question of misinformation jcgoldie Jul 2022 #86
Agree in general stopdiggin Jul 2022 #89
Extra points BlueSky3 Jul 2022 #93
Walk Me Through Willto Jul 2022 #106
Really. First of all she was wrong and it is not just one person...they all pile on and yes it could Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #97
+10 Duppers Jul 2022 #79
Agree. Going to Canada Jul 2022 #99
+1, uponit7771 Jul 2022 #111
They did right .... Lovie777 Jul 2022 #3
No they didn't. Not before the midterm. Glad I cut MSNBC off in general they suck. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #5
I disagree . .. . Lovie777 Jul 2022 #8
My only goal at this point is to win win and win...winning is the only thing that matters... Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #13
Obama SAID to hold his feet to the fire. FoxNewsSucks Jul 2022 #24
Oh so that made the shellacking Obama recceived OK? No it didn't. Obama was blamed unfairly. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #39
ACA was the best that could get votes at the time. Nothing is not better than something. betsuni Jul 2022 #103
Yes Pres ObamA sAID That.. NOT Cha Jul 2022 #119
Lol, ok!! USALiberal Jul 2022 #17
ok lol nt Torchlight Jul 2022 #36
LanternWaste you are back!!!!! USALiberal Jul 2022 #90
I have strong opinions about the need to win elections and support Democrats...hehe. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #44
I like Claire but this a pure bullshit...media action...for shame on both of them. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #4
Exactly, Garland just told the entire country he will investigate everyone involved. fightforfreedom Jul 2022 #10
If it keeps the pressure on Garland etc, then it's not the worst thing OnDoutside Jul 2022 #12
It doesn't, and that's why it's a bad thing. Beastly Boy Jul 2022 #42
He's a big boy, he can take it. OnDoutside Jul 2022 #45
He sure is, but there are too many pearl clutchers among Democrats. Beastly Boy Jul 2022 #54
No one beats Susan Collins at pearl clutching SouthernDem4ever Jul 2022 #71
Yep, and time is not on their side, sort of like the boiling frog principle. Too late when you OnDoutside Jul 2022 #109
We can't take it and by that I mean the risk that we will lose the midterm because of this Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #55
On the contrary, people aren't asking for anything unreasonable, they're asking for the DOJ to do OnDoutside Jul 2022 #110
problem is, the narrative that the department stopdiggin Jul 2022 #114
that's really not the point is it? stopdiggin Jul 2022 #77
And yet, the DOJ were surprised by the evidence that the J6C turned up, 19 months after the OnDoutside Jul 2022 #108
Yes AG Garland can take it but Cha Jul 2022 #120
We must keep pressure on them, and not back down. BlueJac Jul 2022 #72
Not back down from what? Beastly Boy Jul 2022 #78
TY! Yes, It Does.. I wholeheartedly Agree! Cha Jul 2022 #121
To make such statements publicly on TV is the worst thing...She should be ashamed. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #53
Claire.... LiberalFighter Jul 2022 #6
Help me understand.... this is Pence's chief of staff. viva la Jul 2022 #9
I thought Marc Short already testified? OnDoutside Jul 2022 #11
Not to DOJ. gab13by13 Jul 2022 #16
No, not the DOJ but previously to the J6 committee? OnDoutside Jul 2022 #18
To the committee, this was a grand jury investigating Jan 6th. fightforfreedom Jul 2022 #23
Are you sure? gab13by13 Jul 2022 #31
Short was spotted by media leaving the grand jury and confirmed he testified. Bev54 Jul 2022 #38
DOJ doesn't leak, but apparently Marc Short does. Beastly Boy Jul 2022 #49
The person interviewed is allowed to tell. vanlassie Jul 2022 #67
Absolutely, but he wasn't a DOJ employee,was he? Beastly Boy Jul 2022 #70
True. Apparently the media caught it. vanlassie Jul 2022 #73
Short testified last week. lapucelle Jul 2022 #66
He knows everything Trump and others did to try and force Pence to overturn the election. fightforfreedom Jul 2022 #20
Short was in the room at times when the coup plot was developed and executed. Fiendish Thingy Jul 2022 #28
They probably have questions about J 5-6-7 Captain Zero Jul 2022 #41
They all think they are writing some TV scriot malaise Jul 2022 #14
Thank you Malaise...it make my blood boil when some still want to hold Democrats feet to the fire. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #57
Fully agree, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #96
What Claire McCaskill and Andrew Weissmann said, gab13by13 Jul 2022 #15
It proved Weissmann was wrong and had no idea what Garland was doing. fightforfreedom Jul 2022 #25
How was Weissmann wrong? gab13by13 Jul 2022 #34
I guess if the guy was testifying to a grand jury...there is an investigation and Weissmann Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #60
Right. Just_Vote_Dem Jul 2022 #35
How many cases has Marcy Wheeler prosecuted? gab13by13 Jul 2022 #80
A Grand Jury subpoena would likely indicate the END of an investigation. OilemFirchen Jul 2022 #37
Neither of them know exactly what Garland is doing, we know Garland has at least 4 grand juries Bev54 Jul 2022 #48
and yet feel perfectly free to warble on in front of the camera stopdiggin Jul 2022 #81
I disagree and she looks pretty silly now...I wonder if she will apologize...probably not. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #58
Both Mc Caskill and Weismann proved themselves wrong on the air. Beastly Boy Jul 2022 #68
Thank you for this. Treefrog Jul 2022 #88
MSNBC's goal seems to be mcar Jul 2022 #21
No I think they want a tight-tight race FakeNoose Jul 2022 #27
If it is tight the GOP will win...and this shows why no one should listen to MSNBC or any Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #61
Yep mcar Jul 2022 #95
Well, Catherine Vincent Jul 2022 #22
Ha Ha! Uninformed Pundits get owned by reality. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jul 2022 #26
Hey FT...about time...hehe😊 Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #62
The "pressure" is Already On Cha Jul 2022 #29
Everybody is an expert. Everybody apparently KNOWS what the DOJ is or is not doing. Novara Jul 2022 #30
Except that DOJ didn't keep the fake elector investigation under wraps. gab13by13 Jul 2022 #40
That doesn't have anything to do with other investigations kept secret Novara Jul 2022 #56
We knew that DOJ was investigating the fake electors gab13by13 Jul 2022 #83
I think you're wrong here-it's never foolish to question the progress of an investigation into ecstatic Jul 2022 #32
Yes it is wrong when you have no idea what is truly going on and endanger the midterm. It is very Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #63
I think it's the lack of DoJ action that's endagering the midterms Silent3 Jul 2022 #105
+1, uponit7771 Jul 2022 #112
Yes the committee's finings lit a bit of a fire under the DOJ I think. triron Jul 2022 #82
I didn't see it that way mchill Jul 2022 #33
Some who turned off the show may never realize the truth and that is damaging.They should Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #65
I saw it a little differently... kentuck Jul 2022 #74
All I will say is Short is terrific in HULU's "murders in the building" JohnSJ Jul 2022 #47
I love that show!!!! Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #64
Same here JohnSJ Jul 2022 #76
There's an old Turkish saying that if you're going to eat crow, best to de-claw it first peppertree Jul 2022 #75
Yes! He's a patriot. He's smart & careful. Joinfortmill Jul 2022 #84
Weismann, along with Mueller one of the worst kick the ball down the road in history. Pepsidog Jul 2022 #85
there must be.. quickesst Jul 2022 #87
Thought it was strange that nicolle wallace let claire yorkster Jul 2022 #91
Way too much sanctimonious, excessive relief from you Garland supporters. Paladin Jul 2022 #92
I agree Willto Jul 2022 #107
+1, uponit7771 Jul 2022 #113
I for one am not a bit concerned with looking foolish Meowmee Jul 2022 #102
Can I complain the DoJ is already too late? Silent3 Jul 2022 #104
You characterized Andrew Weisman "complaining" .... msfiddlestix Jul 2022 #122

Kid Berwyn

(24,395 posts)
1. Rather be surprised and wrong...
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 05:34 PM
Jul 2022

…than on the wrong side, doing wrong.

It’d be best if both McCaskill and Weissman were part of the DoJ investigation of the Treason of January 6.

TheProle

(3,980 posts)
46. Why would a former senator and private sector lawyer, both now on on media payroll
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:35 PM
Jul 2022

be part of the DoJ investigation?

Kid Berwyn

(24,395 posts)
100. For the good of the country.
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 10:21 PM
Jul 2022

With their government experience, they know enough to pontificate on TV about Pisswig and DoJ, so maybe they can help imprison the traitor and his toad horde. I certainly value their observations and opinions, even in regards to AG Garland and DoJ.

I can understand if they want to stay out of government service and on TV, though. The level of discourse is almost that of posting on social media.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,704 posts)
2. In the long run, we're better off if some of us look foolish
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 05:36 PM
Jul 2022

than we will be if we turn out to be right.

I will have no problem saying "thank god my suspicions were wrong". When tRump criminals are behind bars, I'll be damn glad to say it.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
7. Is that before or after we lose the midterm because of such clueless comments as those two
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 05:42 PM
Jul 2022

made?

Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #7)

calimary

(90,021 posts)
43. THIS, DAMMIT!
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:34 PM
Jul 2022

I don’t care if some folks don’t like my lack-of-patience. I’ve spend YEARS hearing various versions of “keep yer powder dry.” Once upon a time there was a DUer who closed out every post with that admonition.

And look where we are. Yes, we have Dems in charge (just barely) in Washington DC, for now. But the bad guys own more states than we do, and as long as we’re dutifully “keeping our powder dry,” the barbarians are AT the gate and scaling the walls on either side of it. And we have a Democratic president who can’t get much done because our side doesn’t have enough numerical support to mow down the enemy.

I’m not willing to lay low and stay meek ‘n’ mellow. Easier to get run over, that way.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
51. There will be no take over if we win the midterm decisively and run Biden if he is healthy
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:38 PM
Jul 2022

in 24. And if we win the midterm, we can get such protection. It is quite likely we will take Ohio and PA. It looks like we will hold Georgia and Arizona too. Winning is the only way to protect ourselves...The tRump criminal will have no effect on 22 or 24 since Trump is not in the office. We want to believe that Trump must go down in order to save our Republic...but I don't believe it. I think Trump is on his way out. The January 6 committee was very thorough.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
115. I am recovering...still in shock that I have been so ill...I never took any meds before.
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 10:54 AM
Jul 2022

What I thought was a mild case of Covid pretty much almost killed me and has left me with A-fib, a heart murmur, pneumonia, and blood clots. Damn, I was only sick a couple of days and felt fine...so beware. Take the Medicine if you get Covid no matter how you feel. I wish I had done so. But after pouting for a couple of weeks, I am determined to live the best life I can.

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
116. Oh no, that IS a shock! I'm so sorry you've suffered! Your advice is much appreciated.
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 11:31 AM
Jul 2022

I'm really shocked about your bodily damage while you only felt mildly sick.

Please take care. I'm hoping your body recovers, and hope you're boosted and have access to the new medicine.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
117. I am fortunate that I can afford the meds...(barely). I did not choose a plan with good
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 11:47 AM
Jul 2022

pharmacy benefits as I did not take any meds at the time. I am lucky I picked an advantage plan as I would have no coverage for Eliquis with original medicare. The advantage plans cover it but I don't know how much my plan will cover...it is with coupons around 540.00 per month with no insurance. The alternative is Coumadin (Wayfarin) which would be problematic for me.

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
118. Glad you can. Meds that are priced that high priced need competitive purchasing by our govt.
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 12:31 PM
Jul 2022

It's ridiculous that meds produced in Switzerland, the big pharma capital on Earth, should be priced outside its borders so high that we subsidize the EU's meds. We give them volume business; they can afford to have their profits shaved.

In the meantime, I hope they help you recover over time to the point where you won't need them.

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
123. DU is fortunate for you.
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 07:27 PM
Jul 2022

Congratulations for getting back on the MIR Team!

I hope it doesn't get too tense. Please take it easy there; you need to keep your health up.

jcgoldie

(12,046 posts)
52. Nobody is going to lose any election because...
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:38 PM
Jul 2022

...Claire McCaskill held Garland's feet to the fire on teevee.

stopdiggin

(15,463 posts)
69. "Nobody is going to lose an election"
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:59 PM
Jul 2022

because of misinformation, half truths and jaundiced opinion being bandied about on TV ...
Well of course not! - Whoever would suggest such a thing?
--- -- -- ---

jcgoldie

(12,046 posts)
86. Its not a question of misinformation
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 07:33 PM
Jul 2022

Its about whether you think the Democratic Party benefits by demanding absolute conformity of opinion on issues. Folks can disagree and we will without costing someone an election every time.

stopdiggin

(15,463 posts)
89. Agree in general
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 07:49 PM
Jul 2022

Totally disagree in this particular case where I see McCaskill's uninformed (and, yes, jaundiced) opinion - burbled about on mainstream TV - as a service neither to the party - nor, much more critically, to the upcoming midterms. (where I very definitely see the "Doing nothing" narrative - rather than the fact itself - doing real damage to the Democrats)

So - thanks, Claire! Open mouth, insert foot. Friends like these ...

BlueSky3

(733 posts)
93. Extra points
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 08:22 PM
Jul 2022

for use of the word, "burbled".

I like Claire McCaskill and I respect her opinion most of the time, but burbled is the perfect word to describe how she made her comments today.

Thanks.

Willto

(301 posts)
106. Walk Me Through
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 12:44 AM
Jul 2022

how someone on TV saying that Garland should be more aggressive leads to a Democrat losing a midterm election. Is Garland running for office? Which Democrats in the upcoming election are responsible for Merrick Garland's actions to the point that a tv pundit criticizing him will cost them the election?

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
97. Really. First of all she was wrong and it is not just one person...they all pile on and yes it could
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 09:31 PM
Jul 2022

make a difference in the the midterm.

Going to Canada

(169 posts)
99. Agree.
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 09:45 PM
Jul 2022

We need to be a voice that holds our government accountable! Being quiet does nothing. Be pro - active.

Lovie777

(22,981 posts)
3. They did right ....
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 05:39 PM
Jul 2022

in this day and time, there should be disagreements, that's what Democracy is all about.

Without killing each other or killing any one that you disagrees with.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
13. My only goal at this point is to win win and win...winning is the only thing that matters...
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 05:53 PM
Jul 2022

If we don't, the GOP will begin their sliming of Biden and Democrats... so I do not believe in holding their feet to the fire as it was described in 2010 when some turned their backs on Obama thus making sure we got nothing not even judges for six long years...is a smart tactic. But this is America if you think this? OK, then far be it from me to say a word about it...except as you put it. I disagree. And the reason I disagree probably doesn't interest you but here it is... I have seen this play out too many times. And then we lose.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,704 posts)
24. Obama SAID to hold his feet to the fire.
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:06 PM
Jul 2022

Did you forget?

He used the example of Roosevelt saying "make me do it". In other words, make a show of public support.

We did, and got a weak healthcare payment method reform that still shackles us to the whims of for-profit insurance companies. We also got "look forward" instead of seeing BushCheneyCo war criminals punished. They walked away free, with billions.

That's the reason for the 2010 lousy turnout. I don't want a repeat of that.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
39. Oh so that made the shellacking Obama recceived OK? No it didn't. Obama was blamed unfairly.
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:30 PM
Jul 2022

And what was the result? We lost six years and numerous judges. I doubt Obama expected his own party to be so well enthusiastic in holding his feet to fire, of course, and calling him among other things a used car salesman. Sadly, we lost a great opportunity for passing a great deal of important policy, and I had hoped that those that caused this debacle would recognize their mistakes. It seems they have not. And I don't mean you by the way. What a shame. “Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” Winston Churchill.

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
103. ACA was the best that could get votes at the time. Nothing is not better than something.
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 12:17 AM
Jul 2022

It saved lives. The success of the ACA has made Americans less afraid of government involvement in health care (which Republicans took full advantage of by scaring the hell out of people about "death panels" ) and still want the option of buying health insurance or keeping their insurance plans.

Cha

(319,076 posts)
119. Yes Pres ObamA sAID That.. NOT
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 03:31 PM
Jul 2022
sit home and Don't VOTE.

This is On those who Stayed Home.. Not President Obama.

Pres Obama & VP Biden Got the Best HealthCare Plan that they could get with the Members of Congress who were Voting.. Did you Forget That?

Please Fight to Save Our Democracy💙 in 2022 & 2024!



 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
10. Exactly, Garland just told the entire country he will investigate everyone involved.
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 05:49 PM
Jul 2022

We have people who should know better, appear on the news and say Garland is not looking at the people at the top. Garland is way behind the committee, he is doing things the wrong way. That sends the wrong message to the American people and then people repeat what they hear from these so called experts who don't have a clue what Garland is up to.

OnDoutside

(20,868 posts)
12. If it keeps the pressure on Garland etc, then it's not the worst thing
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 05:52 PM
Jul 2022

that could happen.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
42. It doesn't, and that's why it's a bad thing.
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:34 PM
Jul 2022

It merely creates undue animosity towards Garland and divides Democrats.

SouthernDem4ever

(6,619 posts)
71. No one beats Susan Collins at pearl clutching
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 07:00 PM
Jul 2022

that is who I think of everytime I see that term.

OnDoutside

(20,868 posts)
109. Yep, and time is not on their side, sort of like the boiling frog principle. Too late when you
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 03:50 AM
Jul 2022

realize the shit you're in.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
55. We can't take it and by that I mean the risk that we will lose the midterm because of this
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:41 PM
Jul 2022

shenanigans.

OnDoutside

(20,868 posts)
110. On the contrary, people aren't asking for anything unreasonable, they're asking for the DOJ to do
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 04:21 AM
Jul 2022

their job, rather than discretely tucking their heads in the sand. Time is not on your side. If Dems lose the House and/or the Senate, it's pretty much done.

stopdiggin

(15,463 posts)
114. problem is, the narrative that the department
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 07:47 AM
Jul 2022

is not investigating, and/or not doing their job - is largely narrative not fact.

And, as such - damaging and corrosive. Contrary to popular belief - words matter. And 'opinion' and narrative can sink political agenda and movements.

So, yes - the drivel about "he's a big boy" - is wildly missing the point. Poisoning the well is the point.

stopdiggin

(15,463 posts)
77. that's really not the point is it?
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 07:08 PM
Jul 2022

the DOJ can take care of itself, thank you. The TV audience that is being spoon fed this drivel, on the other hand ...

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OnDoutside

(20,868 posts)
108. And yet, the DOJ were surprised by the evidence that the J6C turned up, 19 months after the
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 03:47 AM
Jul 2022

insurrection. So feck their sensibilities. If republicans get hold of the House and/or Senate in November, the game will be pretty much up for any accountability & justice.

Cha

(319,076 posts)
120. Yes AG Garland can take it but
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 03:48 PM
Jul 2022

Not sure about the Dems in the Swing States who we Need to KEEP the HOUSE.

Please Fight to Save Our Democracy💙 in 2022 & 2024!

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
78. Not back down from what?
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 07:11 PM
Jul 2022

Uninformed assumptions?

Hell, that would be the first thing I would back down from!

Cha

(319,076 posts)
121. TY! Yes, It Does.. I wholeheartedly Agree!
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 03:51 PM
Jul 2022

As I said in another post.. Ag Garland can take it but Not sure about the Dems in the Swing States that we NEED to Keep the HOUSE.

Please Fight to Save Our Democracy💙 in 2022 & 2024!

viva la

(4,598 posts)
9. Help me understand.... this is Pence's chief of staff.
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 05:48 PM
Jul 2022

During Jan 6, he was back at the White House? Or was he with Pence at the Capitol?

What would he be testifying about?

It's so hard to keep all the details organized!

gab13by13

(32,321 posts)
31. Are you sure?
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:16 PM
Jul 2022

Are you aware that DOJ doesn't leak its investigations. Why did we find out the same day?

Now I am more fearful than ever that DOJ is lagging because all along I have been told that DOJ is doing secret investigations that we are not aware of.

You can't have it both ways, fff. It is great news that DOJ subpoenaed Short, we need a lot more of it. 106 days to election day.

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
66. Short testified last week.
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:54 PM
Jul 2022

ABC News broke the story today.

Former Pence chief of staff appeared before grand jury probing Jan. 6: Sources
Marc Short appeared under subpoena, sources tell ABC News.

The former chief of staff to Vice President Mike Pence appeared last week before a federal grand jury investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, sources familiar with the matter told ABC News.

Marc Short was caught by an ABC News camera departing D.C. District Court on Friday alongside his attorney, Emmet Flood.

Short appeared under subpoena, sources said.

snip===================================================

Short declined to comment to ABC News. His attorney did not immediately respond to ABC News' request for comment.

A spokesperson for the U.S. Attorney's Office also declined to comment.

In March, the Department of Justice expanded its criminal probe into the events of Jan. 6 to include preparations for the rally that preceded the storming of the Capitol, as well as the financing for the event, multiple sources familiar with the matter told ABC News.



https://abcnews.go.com/ABCNews/pence-chief-staff-appeared-grand-jury-probing-jan/story?id=87384833
 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
20. He knows everything Trump and others did to try and force Pence to overturn the election.
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:04 PM
Jul 2022

The entire conspiracy depended on Pence doing what Trump wanted. Stop the vote count and put in place false electors. Doing this by force is the definition of seditious conspiracy.

Marc Short was also well aware of the security threat to Pence after Trumps infamous tweet. He testified before the grand jury for 2 to 3 hours. That's a lot of questions asked.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,236 posts)
28. Short was in the room at times when the coup plot was developed and executed.
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:13 PM
Jul 2022

He was in the room when Trump and Eastman pleaded with Pence to delay the count, reject the contested states, or accept the fraudulent slates of electors.

He was there when Eastman outlined his illegal rationale to overturn the election.

This is a BFD

Captain Zero

(8,905 posts)
41. They probably have questions about J 5-6-7
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:34 PM
Jul 2022

Would be my guess.

They could ask him questions about November all the way through THE END OF his stint as Pence's Chief of Staff.

He witnessed A LOT.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
57. Thank you Malaise...it make my blood boil when some still want to hold Democrats feet to the fire.
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:42 PM
Jul 2022

Hasn't that been a failing strategy for decades now?

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,060 posts)
96. Fully agree,
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 08:39 PM
Jul 2022

he's not flashy, bold or take chances, he's methodical, steady, he goes where the evidence leads him, no matter where it leads him, and it would seem, IMHO, that he's tightening the noose around the Mango Menace's neck.

gab13by13

(32,321 posts)
15. What Claire McCaskill and Andrew Weissmann said,
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 05:57 PM
Jul 2022

was not refuted by Pence's Chief of staff being called before a grand jury.

I watch Nicolle every chance I get. Claire and Andrew both stated that DOJ was behind both the Fulton County and select committee investigations.

Claire and Andrew were prosecutors. Claire made the point that what is going on at DOJ is out of the norm. DOJ always wants to take the lead in investigations, but in this investigation it is not. Pence's chief of staff going before a grand jury did not refute anything Claire said.

Andrew said that DOJ was not investigating Trump or his inner circle, other than the fake electors and that is being done by the IG division of DOJ. Andrew made the point that we would know if DOJ was investigating higher up people. The fact that we found out immediately about Pence's Chief of staff proves Weissmann's point. Weissmann, upon hearing the breaking news complimented DOJ for investigating Short.

Amazing how people can watch the same show and get completely different opinions.

gab13by13

(32,321 posts)
34. How was Weissmann wrong?
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:21 PM
Jul 2022

He said DOJ wasn't investigating the inner circle or we would have heard about it. Guess what? We heard about Short which proves Weissmann's point.

Weissmann went on to give DOJ credit for subpoenaing Short, saying it was a good sign.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
60. I guess if the guy was testifying to a grand jury...there is an investigation and Weissmann
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:47 PM
Jul 2022

realizing his mistake next complimented DOJ or Garland...what a guy when proven wrong he pretends he is still right. He didn't fool me or anyone else.

Just_Vote_Dem

(3,645 posts)
35. Right.
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:22 PM
Jul 2022

Marcy Wheeler (emptywheel.net) mentioned weeks ago that Weissmann and many TV talking heads didn't know what they were talking about

OilemFirchen

(7,288 posts)
37. A Grand Jury subpoena would likely indicate the END of an investigation.
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:27 PM
Jul 2022

You have it 100% backward. And it demolishes Weissmann's "point".

Bev54

(13,431 posts)
48. Neither of them know exactly what Garland is doing, we know Garland has at least 4 grand juries
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:37 PM
Jul 2022

running concurrently, so we do not know what grand jury is investigating which part. If he is not investigating Trump's inner circle then what the hell was the subpoenas and warrants on Eastman, Giuliani and Clark all about? He also has the IG's investigating other portions. He is using all the resources he can, I think including the Georgia and 1/6 investigations. The resources it takes for this kind of investigation is tremendous and he did not get all the resources he requested. The DOJ grand juries can hand down criminal indictments but the Georgia grand jury can only recommend that a new grand jury investigate criminal charges.

stopdiggin

(15,463 posts)
81. and yet feel perfectly free to warble on in front of the camera
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 07:18 PM
Jul 2022

delivering 'expert' opinion (about which they are self evidently at least partially wrong). It's a disservice to the public. (despite the myriad calls of "no harm, no foul" here on DU)

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
58. I disagree and she looks pretty silly now...I wonder if she will apologize...probably not.
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:44 PM
Jul 2022
 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
68. Both Mc Caskill and Weismann proved themselves wrong on the air.
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:57 PM
Jul 2022

McCaskill by assuming that "the norm" she is familiar with applies to a very out of the norm DOJ investigation into an ex-POTUS, and Weissman by suggesting we would know if DOJ were investigating the higher ups.

Of course, it was out-of-the-norm ironic that they were proven wrong by the breaking news: VP's chief of staff testifying to a grand jury was hardly the norm, and Weissmann had no clue Marc Short was testifying as Weissman spoke.

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
88. Thank you for this.
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 07:46 PM
Jul 2022

This OP is in for a rude awakening one day, I'm afraid.

I'd love to be wrong about this.

FakeNoose

(41,634 posts)
27. No I think they want a tight-tight race
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:10 PM
Jul 2022

That's when all the eyeballs are glued to the TV sets. Yep they love those.

Probably Chuck and Andrea are the only ones hoping for the Repukes to win.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
61. If it is tight the GOP will win...and this shows why no one should listen to MSNBC or any
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:49 PM
Jul 2022

cable station.

mcar

(46,056 posts)
95. Yep
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 08:37 PM
Jul 2022

Plus, they have no business picking winners and losers. They are supposed to be reporters.

Catherine Vincent

(34,610 posts)
22. Well,
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:05 PM
Jul 2022

I do notice one thing... Since Garland hasn't revealed much (which is a good thing), I haven't heard or seen any republican bad mouth him like they normally do with Democrats. I guess right now, all their scorn is directed at the J6 committee.

Cha

(319,076 posts)
29. The "pressure" is Already On
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:14 PM
Jul 2022

AG Garland.

Focus!
Please Fight to Save Our Democracy💙 in 2022 & 2024!

Novara

(6,115 posts)
30. Everybody is an expert. Everybody apparently KNOWS what the DOJ is or is not doing.
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:15 PM
Jul 2022

Until the experts are surprised by something they had no prior knowledge about. Hm. Funny how that works.

So if they were surprised with today's news, I guess they didn't know that the DOJ was already investigating Pence's COS until he actually testified. Gosh, the DOJ kept that a secret - even from all the experts. So I guess they'll keep saying the DOJ isn't investigating this person or that person until suddenly it is made public. They didn't even know that Pence's COS was either subpoenaed or had been in talks to come in and testify. You all know he didn't just show up out of the blue, right? The DOJ obviously were working on getting him to testify. Maybe all they did was ask and he said yes. But no one knew it was happening, did they?

See what I mean about prosecutors not making investigation decisions public? Until they have to?

I contend that we still do not know who they are investigating. And we won't know, until they make it public. That does not mean they are doing nothing, and this proves it. They were working on getting this guy in to testify and no one knew about it until the day he did testify.

I guess those of us who have been saying that the DOJ is working on this were right.

Yeah, it really is amazing how two people can watch the same thing and come to different conclusions, isn't it?

I am happy the DOJ is this good at keeping their investigations under wraps. If the orange fuck doesn't know where they are in their investigations, he doesn't know which evidence to destroy.

And I'm pleased that the DOJ is this leak-proof!

gab13by13

(32,321 posts)
40. Except that DOJ didn't keep the fake elector investigation under wraps.
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:32 PM
Jul 2022

My memory is still half decent. The Michigan AG started the ball rolling by publicly making a criminal referral to DOJ to get them to investigate the fake electors. She even stated that if DOJ declined that she would investigate the Michigan fake electors.

Then a couple months went by and finally Lisa Monaco gave a public announcement that DOJ was looking into the fake electors, anyone remember that?

We then knew right away about the Clark and Eastman warrants and today we found out about Short.

The only thing missing in the supposed secret fake elector investigation was a red ball to follow.

I am extremely happy that DOJ is investigating the fake electors, I called for it back when the Michigan AG alerted everyone. I am not so happy that the warrants on Eastman and Clark were done by the IG division of DOJ, that gives me pause.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
56. That doesn't have anything to do with other investigations kept secret
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:42 PM
Jul 2022

Look, No one had any heads-up that Pence's chief of staff was testifying. Certain things are obviously worth keeping under wraps. I would expect that the closer the DOJ gets to the orange fuck, the tighter the lid. The VP's COS is getting pretty close.

On the other hand, there are good reasons to tell everyone that the elector impostors were being investigated. It puts pressure on the rest of them! Makes a few of them think about spilling the beans on that conspiracy, no? To protect their families?

Apples and oranges, man.


Garland is pretty damn clever. Release information about certain investigations strategically, when doing so might increase the odds of cooperation to give up others within the conspiracy. Keep a tight lid on the biggest investigation so he doesn't tip his hand and risk the orange fuck fleeing or destroying evidence.

gab13by13

(32,321 posts)
83. We knew that DOJ was investigating the fake electors
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 07:22 PM
Jul 2022

Lisa Monaco told us so. That's good enough for me, I don't need to know any more details about who they subpoena.

Fani Willis has let the world know the fake electors she has subpoenaed, that may be putting pressure on DOJ. A lot of talk about how it is unusual for DOJ to let others take the lead in doing investigations.

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
32. I think you're wrong here-it's never foolish to question the progress of an investigation into
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:18 PM
Jul 2022

a coup plot / terrorist attack on our Capitol. It is our right to expect and demand timely justice. Frankly, I don't believe anything would be happening right now without the pressure Garland has been receiving. He seems to be taking a "make me do it" posture.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
63. Yes it is wrong when you have no idea what is truly going on and endanger the midterm. It is very
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:51 PM
Jul 2022

foolish.

 

Silent3

(15,909 posts)
105. I think it's the lack of DoJ action that's endagering the midterms
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 12:41 AM
Jul 2022

The DoJ should have already well and thoroughly disgraced the Republican party with prosecutions already underway.

mchill

(1,188 posts)
33. I didn't see it that way
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:20 PM
Jul 2022

I think they were happy to be, not necessarily wrong, but be pleasantly surprised. On the other hand, I got a hint of Schmidt feeling a bit discouraged as the news made his recent article less relevant and dated.

If this Grand Jury event means a new line of questioning-fantastic. A long time coming and too many disappointments from the past not to get discouraged. Campaign finance, money laundering with the innauguration, and probably one more. Too many.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
65. Some who turned off the show may never realize the truth and that is damaging.They should
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 06:53 PM
Jul 2022

not make statements that are not true.

kentuck

(115,406 posts)
74. I saw it a little differently...
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 07:02 PM
Jul 2022

I saw it as Garland feeling a little pressured from the Committee, and people like Weissman and others, and made the decision to re-assure some people that he was on the case. I still believe he will do his job in a methodical and slower pace than a lot of people want, and in the end, he will appoint a "Special Prosecutor" to investigate the former president. But that does not keep the Justice Dept from going after all those that tried to cover it up for TFG. Trump cannot protect them from the evidence.

peppertree

(23,343 posts)
75. There's an old Turkish saying that if you're going to eat crow, best to de-claw it first
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 07:05 PM
Jul 2022

Or maybe Chinese.

quickesst

(6,309 posts)
87. there must be..
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 07:38 PM
Jul 2022

.... In your opinion, a whole whole lot of people, including many here at Democratic Underground, assorted newscasts with a myriad of commentators that are looking quite foolish since this "trashing" of Merrick Garland has been going on for weeks, if not months. Does Claire mccaskill and Andrew Wiseman deserve more criticism than the thousands of those who we're talking the same "trash" the day, week, or month before they did?

yorkster

(3,832 posts)
91. Thought it was strange that nicolle wallace let claire
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 08:09 PM
Jul 2022

and weissman go on for so long and then announced that marc short had testified before the grand jury. She said that the news had just broken or words to that effect, but I had seen this news an hour or so before, I think. Maybe she had just received notification of the testimony...

 

Paladin

(32,354 posts)
92. Way too much sanctimonious, excessive relief from you Garland supporters.
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 08:11 PM
Jul 2022

Thank you, McCaskill and Weissmann. Your criticism is well-founded. Keep up the good work.

Willto

(301 posts)
107. I agree
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 12:58 AM
Jul 2022

Keep the public pressure on him. From what I've seen Garland does his job with about the same enthusiasm that I used to do math homework. NONE AT ALL!

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
102. I for one am not a bit concerned with looking foolish
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 11:21 PM
Jul 2022

I am concerned with fascism taking over this country because there has been NO real or no accountably at all for the pos mass murderer and any higher ups. TIME IS RUNNING OUT.

 

Silent3

(15,909 posts)
104. Can I complain the DoJ is already too late?
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 12:37 AM
Jul 2022

If they indict Trump tomorrow, they've already wasted too much time.

msfiddlestix

(8,178 posts)
122. You characterized Andrew Weisman "complaining" ....
Tue Jul 26, 2022, 04:01 PM
Jul 2022

I'm not on cable, when I was streamsing every single day for 3 years of Trumps reign and the Mueller investigation, after which Weismann began making appearances, whining isn't something I would ever, EVER taint him with.

Not Ever.

Now these past 2 years I've pretty much shut down cable news streaming all together, with the exception of streaming J6 hearings.

Andrew Weisman is no longer on my screen, but I always respected and enjoyed listening to his analysis.

It kind of bends and stretches credulity reading this description of him, which puts a taint on everything else.

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