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Breaking News, Pence Chief of Staff testifies in front of grand jury in Jan 6th investigation. They both shut up real quick, they looked foolish.
In my opinion, people need to let Garland do his job and stop complaining that things are not going the way they think they should. There is a chance you could end up looking foolish.
Kid Berwyn
(24,395 posts)
than on the wrong side, doing wrong.
Itd be best if both McCaskill and Weissman were part of the DoJ investigation of the Treason of January 6.
TheProle
(3,980 posts)be part of the DoJ investigation?
Kid Berwyn
(24,395 posts)With their government experience, they know enough to pontificate on TV about Pisswig and DoJ, so maybe they can help imprison the traitor and his toad horde. I certainly value their observations and opinions, even in regards to AG Garland and DoJ.
I can understand if they want to stay out of government service and on TV, though. The level of discourse is almost that of posting on social media.
FoxNewsSucks
(11,704 posts)than we will be if we turn out to be right.
I will have no problem saying "thank god my suspicions were wrong". When tRump criminals are behind bars, I'll be damn glad to say it.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)made?
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calimary
(90,021 posts)I dont care if some folks dont like my lack-of-patience. Ive spend YEARS hearing various versions of keep yer powder dry. Once upon a time there was a DUer who closed out every post with that admonition.
And look where we are. Yes, we have Dems in charge (just barely) in Washington DC, for now. But the bad guys own more states than we do, and as long as were dutifully keeping our powder dry, the barbarians are AT the gate and scaling the walls on either side of it. And we have a Democratic president who cant get much done because our side doesnt have enough numerical support to mow down the enemy.
Im not willing to lay low and stay meek n mellow. Easier to get run over, that way.
calimary
(90,021 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)in 24. And if we win the midterm, we can get such protection. It is quite likely we will take Ohio and PA. It looks like we will hold Georgia and Arizona too. Winning is the only way to protect ourselves...The tRump criminal will have no effect on 22 or 24 since Trump is not in the office. We want to believe that Trump must go down in order to save our Republic...but I don't believe it. I think Trump is on his way out. The January 6 committee was very thorough.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)ancianita
(43,307 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)What I thought was a mild case of Covid pretty much almost killed me and has left me with A-fib, a heart murmur, pneumonia, and blood clots. Damn, I was only sick a couple of days and felt fine...so beware. Take the Medicine if you get Covid no matter how you feel. I wish I had done so. But after pouting for a couple of weeks, I am determined to live the best life I can.
ancianita
(43,307 posts)I'm really shocked about your bodily damage while you only felt mildly sick.
Please take care.
I'm hoping your body recovers, and hope you're boosted and have access to the new medicine.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)pharmacy benefits as I did not take any meds at the time. I am lucky I picked an advantage plan as I would have no coverage for Eliquis with original medicare. The advantage plans cover it but I don't know how much my plan will cover...it is with coupons around 540.00 per month with no insurance. The alternative is Coumadin (Wayfarin) which would be problematic for me.
ancianita
(43,307 posts)It's ridiculous that meds produced in Switzerland, the big pharma capital on Earth, should be priced outside its borders so high that we subsidize the EU's meds. We give them volume business; they can afford to have their profits shaved.
In the meantime, I hope they help you recover over time to the point where you won't need them.
ancianita
(43,307 posts)Congratulations for getting back on the MIR Team!
I hope it doesn't get too tense. Please take it easy there; you need to keep your health up.
Ferrets are Cool
(22,957 posts)jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)...Claire McCaskill held Garland's feet to the fire on teevee.
stopdiggin
(15,463 posts)because of misinformation, half truths and jaundiced opinion being bandied about on TV ...
Well of course not! - Whoever would suggest such a thing?
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jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)Its about whether you think the Democratic Party benefits by demanding absolute conformity of opinion on issues. Folks can disagree and we will without costing someone an election every time.
stopdiggin
(15,463 posts)Totally disagree in this particular case where I see McCaskill's uninformed (and, yes, jaundiced) opinion - burbled about on mainstream TV - as a service neither to the party - nor, much more critically, to the upcoming midterms. (where I very definitely see the "Doing nothing" narrative - rather than the fact itself - doing real damage to the Democrats)
So - thanks, Claire! Open mouth, insert foot. Friends like these ...
BlueSky3
(733 posts)for use of the word, "burbled".
I like Claire McCaskill and I respect her opinion most of the time, but burbled is the perfect word to describe how she made her comments today.
Thanks.
Willto
(301 posts)how someone on TV saying that Garland should be more aggressive leads to a Democrat losing a midterm election. Is Garland running for office? Which Democrats in the upcoming election are responsible for Merrick Garland's actions to the point that a tv pundit criticizing him will cost them the election?
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)make a difference in the the midterm.
Going to Canada
(169 posts)We need to be a voice that holds our government accountable! Being quiet does nothing. Be pro - active.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)Lovie777
(22,981 posts)in this day and time, there should be disagreements, that's what Democracy is all about.
Without killing each other or killing any one that you disagrees with.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Lovie777
(22,981 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)If we don't, the GOP will begin their sliming of Biden and Democrats... so I do not believe in holding their feet to the fire as it was described in 2010 when some turned their backs on Obama thus making sure we got nothing not even judges for six long years...is a smart tactic. But this is America if you think this? OK, then far be it from me to say a word about it...except as you put it. I disagree. And the reason I disagree probably doesn't interest you but here it is... I have seen this play out too many times. And then we lose.
FoxNewsSucks
(11,704 posts)Did you forget?
He used the example of Roosevelt saying "make me do it". In other words, make a show of public support.
We did, and got a weak healthcare payment method reform that still shackles us to the whims of for-profit insurance companies. We also got "look forward" instead of seeing BushCheneyCo war criminals punished. They walked away free, with billions.
That's the reason for the 2010 lousy turnout. I don't want a repeat of that.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)And what was the result? We lost six years and numerous judges. I doubt Obama expected his own party to be so well enthusiastic in holding his feet to fire, of course, and calling him among other things a used car salesman. Sadly, we lost a great opportunity for passing a great deal of important policy, and I had hoped that those that caused this debacle would recognize their mistakes. It seems they have not. And I don't mean you by the way. What a shame. Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Winston Churchill.
betsuni
(29,078 posts)It saved lives. The success of the ACA has made Americans less afraid of government involvement in health care (which Republicans took full advantage of by scaring the hell out of people about "death panels" ) and still want the option of buying health insurance or keeping their insurance plans.
Cha
(319,076 posts)This is On those who Stayed Home.. Not President Obama.
Pres Obama & VP Biden Got the Best HealthCare Plan that they could get with the Members of Congress who were Voting.. Did you Forget That?
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Torchlight
(6,830 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)We have people who should know better, appear on the news and say Garland is not looking at the people at the top. Garland is way behind the committee, he is doing things the wrong way. That sends the wrong message to the American people and then people repeat what they hear from these so called experts who don't have a clue what Garland is up to.
OnDoutside
(20,868 posts)that could happen.
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)It merely creates undue animosity towards Garland and divides Democrats.
OnDoutside
(20,868 posts)Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)SouthernDem4ever
(6,619 posts)that is who I think of everytime I see that term.
OnDoutside
(20,868 posts)realize the shit you're in.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)shenanigans.
OnDoutside
(20,868 posts)their job, rather than discretely tucking their heads in the sand. Time is not on your side. If Dems lose the House and/or the Senate, it's pretty much done.
stopdiggin
(15,463 posts)is not investigating, and/or not doing their job - is largely narrative not fact.
And, as such - damaging and corrosive. Contrary to popular belief - words matter. And 'opinion' and narrative can sink political agenda and movements.
So, yes - the drivel about "he's a big boy" - is wildly missing the point. Poisoning the well is the point.
stopdiggin
(15,463 posts)the DOJ can take care of itself, thank you. The TV audience that is being spoon fed this drivel, on the other hand ...
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OnDoutside
(20,868 posts)insurrection. So feck their sensibilities. If republicans get hold of the House and/or Senate in November, the game will be pretty much up for any accountability & justice.
Cha
(319,076 posts)Not sure about the Dems in the Swing States who we Need to KEEP the HOUSE.
Please Fight to Save Our Democracy💙 in 2022 & 2024!
BlueJac
(7,838 posts)Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)Uninformed assumptions?
Hell, that would be the first thing I would back down from!
Cha
(319,076 posts)As I said in another post.. Ag Garland can take it but Not sure about the Dems in the Swing States that we NEED to Keep the HOUSE.
Please Fight to Save Our Democracy💙 in 2022 & 2024!
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)viva la
(4,598 posts)During Jan 6, he was back at the White House? Or was he with Pence at the Capitol?
What would he be testifying about?
It's so hard to keep all the details organized!
OnDoutside
(20,868 posts)gab13by13
(32,321 posts)OnDoutside
(20,868 posts)fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)gab13by13
(32,321 posts)Are you aware that DOJ doesn't leak its investigations. Why did we find out the same day?
Now I am more fearful than ever that DOJ is lagging because all along I have been told that DOJ is doing secret investigations that we are not aware of.
You can't have it both ways, fff. It is great news that DOJ subpoenaed Short, we need a lot more of it. 106 days to election day.
Bev54
(13,431 posts)Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)vanlassie
(6,248 posts)If I recall correctly from the Mueller days.
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)My point was that DOJ didn't leak.
vanlassie
(6,248 posts)lapucelle
(21,061 posts)ABC News broke the story today.
Marc Short appeared under subpoena, sources tell ABC News.
The former chief of staff to Vice President Mike Pence appeared last week before a federal grand jury investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, sources familiar with the matter told ABC News.
Marc Short was caught by an ABC News camera departing D.C. District Court on Friday alongside his attorney, Emmet Flood.
Short appeared under subpoena, sources said.
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A spokesperson for the U.S. Attorney's Office also declined to comment.
In March, the Department of Justice expanded its criminal probe into the events of Jan. 6 to include preparations for the rally that preceded the storming of the Capitol, as well as the financing for the event, multiple sources familiar with the matter told ABC News.
https://abcnews.go.com/ABCNews/pence-chief-staff-appeared-grand-jury-probing-jan/story?id=87384833
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)The entire conspiracy depended on Pence doing what Trump wanted. Stop the vote count and put in place false electors. Doing this by force is the definition of seditious conspiracy.
Marc Short was also well aware of the security threat to Pence after Trumps infamous tweet. He testified before the grand jury for 2 to 3 hours. That's a lot of questions asked.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,236 posts)He was in the room when Trump and Eastman pleaded with Pence to delay the count, reject the contested states, or accept the fraudulent slates of electors.
He was there when Eastman outlined his illegal rationale to overturn the election.
This is a BFD
Captain Zero
(8,905 posts)Would be my guess.
They could ask him questions about November all the way through THE END OF his stint as Pence's Chief of Staff.
He witnessed A LOT.
malaise
(296,105 posts)Garland knows what hes doing.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Hasn't that been a failing strategy for decades now?
MarineCombatEngineer
(18,060 posts)he's not flashy, bold or take chances, he's methodical, steady, he goes where the evidence leads him, no matter where it leads him, and it would seem, IMHO, that he's tightening the noose around the Mango Menace's neck.
gab13by13
(32,321 posts)was not refuted by Pence's Chief of staff being called before a grand jury.
I watch Nicolle every chance I get. Claire and Andrew both stated that DOJ was behind both the Fulton County and select committee investigations.
Claire and Andrew were prosecutors. Claire made the point that what is going on at DOJ is out of the norm. DOJ always wants to take the lead in investigations, but in this investigation it is not. Pence's chief of staff going before a grand jury did not refute anything Claire said.
Andrew said that DOJ was not investigating Trump or his inner circle, other than the fake electors and that is being done by the IG division of DOJ. Andrew made the point that we would know if DOJ was investigating higher up people. The fact that we found out immediately about Pence's Chief of staff proves Weissmann's point. Weissmann, upon hearing the breaking news complimented DOJ for investigating Short.
Amazing how people can watch the same show and get completely different opinions.
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)gab13by13
(32,321 posts)He said DOJ wasn't investigating the inner circle or we would have heard about it. Guess what? We heard about Short which proves Weissmann's point.
Weissmann went on to give DOJ credit for subpoenaing Short, saying it was a good sign.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)realizing his mistake next complimented DOJ or Garland...what a guy when proven wrong he pretends he is still right. He didn't fool me or anyone else.
Just_Vote_Dem
(3,645 posts)Marcy Wheeler (emptywheel.net) mentioned weeks ago that Weissmann and many TV talking heads didn't know what they were talking about
gab13by13
(32,321 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,288 posts)You have it 100% backward. And it demolishes Weissmann's "point".
Bev54
(13,431 posts)running concurrently, so we do not know what grand jury is investigating which part. If he is not investigating Trump's inner circle then what the hell was the subpoenas and warrants on Eastman, Giuliani and Clark all about? He also has the IG's investigating other portions. He is using all the resources he can, I think including the Georgia and 1/6 investigations. The resources it takes for this kind of investigation is tremendous and he did not get all the resources he requested. The DOJ grand juries can hand down criminal indictments but the Georgia grand jury can only recommend that a new grand jury investigate criminal charges.
stopdiggin
(15,463 posts)delivering 'expert' opinion (about which they are self evidently at least partially wrong). It's a disservice to the public. (despite the myriad calls of "no harm, no foul" here on DU)
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)McCaskill by assuming that "the norm" she is familiar with applies to a very out of the norm DOJ investigation into an ex-POTUS, and Weissman by suggesting we would know if DOJ were investigating the higher ups.
Of course, it was out-of-the-norm ironic that they were proven wrong by the breaking news: VP's chief of staff testifying to a grand jury was hardly the norm, and Weissmann had no clue Marc Short was testifying as Weissman spoke.
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)This OP is in for a rude awakening one day, I'm afraid.
I'd love to be wrong about this.
mcar
(46,056 posts)to have Rs win the midterms.
FakeNoose
(41,634 posts)That's when all the eyeballs are glued to the TV sets. Yep they love those.
Probably Chuck and Andrea are the only ones hoping for the Repukes to win.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)cable station.
Plus, they have no business picking winners and losers. They are supposed to be reporters.
Catherine Vincent
(34,610 posts)I do notice one thing... Since Garland hasn't revealed much (which is a good thing), I haven't heard or seen any republican bad mouth him like they normally do with Democrats. I guess right now, all their scorn is directed at the J6 committee.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,236 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Cha
(319,076 posts)AG Garland.
Focus!
Please Fight to Save Our Democracy💙 in 2022 & 2024!
Novara
(6,115 posts)Until the experts are surprised by something they had no prior knowledge about. Hm. Funny how that works.
So if they were surprised with today's news, I guess they didn't know that the DOJ was already investigating Pence's COS until he actually testified. Gosh, the DOJ kept that a secret - even from all the experts. So I guess they'll keep saying the DOJ isn't investigating this person or that person until suddenly it is made public. They didn't even know that Pence's COS was either subpoenaed or had been in talks to come in and testify. You all know he didn't just show up out of the blue, right? The DOJ obviously were working on getting him to testify. Maybe all they did was ask and he said yes. But no one knew it was happening, did they?
See what I mean about prosecutors not making investigation decisions public? Until they have to?
I contend that we still do not know who they are investigating. And we won't know, until they make it public. That does not mean they are doing nothing, and this proves it. They were working on getting this guy in to testify and no one knew about it until the day he did testify.
I guess those of us who have been saying that the DOJ is working on this were right.
Yeah, it really is amazing how two people can watch the same thing and come to different conclusions, isn't it?
I am happy the DOJ is this good at keeping their investigations under wraps. If the orange fuck doesn't know where they are in their investigations, he doesn't know which evidence to destroy.
And I'm pleased that the DOJ is this leak-proof!
gab13by13
(32,321 posts)My memory is still half decent. The Michigan AG started the ball rolling by publicly making a criminal referral to DOJ to get them to investigate the fake electors. She even stated that if DOJ declined that she would investigate the Michigan fake electors.
Then a couple months went by and finally Lisa Monaco gave a public announcement that DOJ was looking into the fake electors, anyone remember that?
We then knew right away about the Clark and Eastman warrants and today we found out about Short.
The only thing missing in the supposed secret fake elector investigation was a red ball to follow.
I am extremely happy that DOJ is investigating the fake electors, I called for it back when the Michigan AG alerted everyone. I am not so happy that the warrants on Eastman and Clark were done by the IG division of DOJ, that gives me pause.
Novara
(6,115 posts)Look, No one had any heads-up that Pence's chief of staff was testifying. Certain things are obviously worth keeping under wraps. I would expect that the closer the DOJ gets to the orange fuck, the tighter the lid. The VP's COS is getting pretty close.
On the other hand, there are good reasons to tell everyone that the elector impostors were being investigated. It puts pressure on the rest of them! Makes a few of them think about spilling the beans on that conspiracy, no? To protect their families?
Apples and oranges, man.
Garland is pretty damn clever. Release information about certain investigations strategically, when doing so might increase the odds of cooperation to give up others within the conspiracy. Keep a tight lid on the biggest investigation so he doesn't tip his hand and risk the orange fuck fleeing or destroying evidence.
gab13by13
(32,321 posts)Lisa Monaco told us so. That's good enough for me, I don't need to know any more details about who they subpoena.
Fani Willis has let the world know the fake electors she has subpoenaed, that may be putting pressure on DOJ. A lot of talk about how it is unusual for DOJ to let others take the lead in doing investigations.
ecstatic
(35,075 posts)a coup plot / terrorist attack on our Capitol. It is our right to expect and demand timely justice. Frankly, I don't believe anything would be happening right now without the pressure Garland has been receiving. He seems to be taking a "make me do it" posture.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)foolish.
Silent3
(15,909 posts)The DoJ should have already well and thoroughly disgraced the Republican party with prosecutions already underway.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)triron
(22,240 posts)mchill
(1,188 posts)I think they were happy to be, not necessarily wrong, but be pleasantly surprised. On the other hand, I got a hint of Schmidt feeling a bit discouraged as the news made his recent article less relevant and dated.
If this Grand Jury event means a new line of questioning-fantastic. A long time coming and too many disappointments from the past not to get discouraged. Campaign finance, money laundering with the innauguration, and probably one more. Too many.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)not make statements that are not true.
kentuck
(115,406 posts)I saw it as Garland feeling a little pressured from the Committee, and people like Weissman and others, and made the decision to re-assure some people that he was on the case. I still believe he will do his job in a methodical and slower pace than a lot of people want, and in the end, he will appoint a "Special Prosecutor" to investigate the former president. But that does not keep the Justice Dept from going after all those that tried to cover it up for TFG. Trump cannot protect them from the evidence.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)peppertree
(23,343 posts)Or maybe Chinese.
Joinfortmill
(21,165 posts)He'll bring them allI down. It's coming.
Pepsidog
(6,365 posts)quickesst
(6,309 posts).... In your opinion, a whole whole lot of people, including many here at Democratic Underground, assorted newscasts with a myriad of commentators that are looking quite foolish since this "trashing" of Merrick Garland has been going on for weeks, if not months. Does Claire mccaskill and Andrew Wiseman deserve more criticism than the thousands of those who we're talking the same "trash" the day, week, or month before they did?
yorkster
(3,832 posts)and weissman go on for so long and then announced that marc short had testified before the grand jury. She said that the news had just broken or words to that effect, but I had seen this news an hour or so before, I think. Maybe she had just received notification of the testimony...
Paladin
(32,354 posts)Thank you, McCaskill and Weissmann. Your criticism is well-founded. Keep up the good work.
Keep the public pressure on him. From what I've seen Garland does his job with about the same enthusiasm that I used to do math homework. NONE AT ALL!
Meowmee
(9,212 posts)I am concerned with fascism taking over this country because there has been NO real or no accountably at all for the pos mass murderer and any higher ups. TIME IS RUNNING OUT.
Silent3
(15,909 posts)If they indict Trump tomorrow, they've already wasted too much time.
msfiddlestix
(8,178 posts)I'm not on cable, when I was streamsing every single day for 3 years of Trumps reign and the Mueller investigation, after which Weismann began making appearances, whining isn't something I would ever, EVER taint him with.
Not Ever.
Now these past 2 years I've pretty much shut down cable news streaming all together, with the exception of streaming J6 hearings.
Andrew Weisman is no longer on my screen, but I always respected and enjoyed listening to his analysis.
It kind of bends and stretches credulity reading this description of him, which puts a taint on everything else.
Ball's in your court, and of course you have the last word if you care to explain