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Question on gun control (Original Post) bluestarone Jul 2022 OP
Yes, states have wide discretion to establish criminal laws within each state. elleng Jul 2022 #1
I think this would be awesome if passed. bluestarone Jul 2022 #2
and it/they can be reviewed, under Federal constitutional standards, elleng Jul 2022 #3
Maybe throw in loss of voting rights as well bluestarone Jul 2022 #5
We need draconian penalties for anyone who uses any firearm in a crime ripcord Jul 2022 #4
I agree, and each state should implement them. elleng Jul 2022 #6
+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #7
Agreed. And couldn't federal law enforcement TheBeam19 Jul 2022 #8
A firearm can only be shipped to a licensed firearm dealer, who then MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #9
Thank you. I appreciate the info. TheBeam19 Jul 2022 #10
Absolutely nothing wrong with throwing ideas out there, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #12
No. former9thward Jul 2022 #11
Bummer! bluestarone Jul 2022 #13
Well, I agree there. former9thward Jul 2022 #16
States Can Pass "Penalty Enhancements" ChoppinBroccoli Jul 2022 #14
I really think something like this should be used! bluestarone Jul 2022 #15

TheBeam19

(344 posts)
8. Agreed. And couldn't federal law enforcement
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 09:28 PM
Jul 2022

get involved if the gun used in a specific crime was ordered and shipped across state lines? I don’t know the answer to that but it seems like it could possibly be a way in for the feds.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,448 posts)
9. A firearm can only be shipped to a licensed firearm dealer, who then
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 09:32 PM
Jul 2022

has to do a background check on whoever ordered it from another state, there are no exceptions to the law and the BATFE takes a dim view on this.

TheBeam19

(344 posts)
10. Thank you. I appreciate the info.
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 09:48 PM
Jul 2022

I guess having that “middleman” in the sale would be a problem with my idea. Oh well.

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
11. No.
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 09:59 PM
Jul 2022

It would be a violation of the 8th amendment (cruel and unusual punishment). Draconian punishments are not allowed.

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
16. Well, I agree there.
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 10:29 PM
Jul 2022

I am in favor of the death penalty for major vicious cases. But that is an unpopular opinion among some.

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,784 posts)
14. States Can Pass "Penalty Enhancements"
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 10:23 PM
Jul 2022

Many States already have "gun specs" for crimes in which a gun is used. Here in Ohio, if you use a gun in the commission of a crime, a sentence of at least 3 mandatory years (meaning you must serve every day of the 3 years--it can't be reduced or forgiven, and you're not eligible for any kind of early release) will be added on to the sentence for the crime itself.

So I think the answer is yes. I don't think you could have a sentencing law that says you get the death penalty just for using an assault weapon (unless the crime you commit is murder or something similar). It would be a miscarriage of justice to get the death penalty for, say, BRANDISHING an assault weapon, or improperly carrying it in a motor vehicle, or using it in a minor stick-up, for example.

What I think is more likely is that use of an assault weapon could ENHANCE the sentence even further. For example, instead of 3 years on the gun spec, you would get, say, 10 years for an assault weapon spec. Something like that I could see.

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