Life begins when...

[demmiblue]

[Wounded Bear]

1. K & R...nt

[niyad]

2. KNR

[MontanaMama]

3. Kick.

[Rhiannon12866]

4. From what I learned in school "Bible" classes, Christianity is the anthesis of fascism

[OMGWTF]

7. Rethuglican Jesus is an asshole.

[Rhiannon12866]

8. Their "version" is an invention that they fabricated to support their own bigoted beliefs...

Which has no relation to actual "Christian" beliefs. Where did these fascists go to school - or "church??"

[NullTuples]

15. A religion that teaches, "do what I say or you'll burn in pain forever" seems pretty fascist to me

[Caliman73]

16. Unfortunately, Christianity is whatever someone wants it to be.

That is an issue with religion, or any human institution for that matter. The difference between religion and other human institutions is that religion claims divinity and absolute truth, which creates opportunities for people seeking power to step in as representatives of that "absolute truth" and lead people to do things more suited to the power of the leadership, than the service to others and righteous behavior that the god/gods have laid out as the practice of the faith.

Religion lends itself to fascism, though it can also certainly be a tool to try to fight fascism with. A lot of lay people, priests, sisters, etc... gave their lives fighting the fascism in Italy and Germany, though some religious institutions also supported it.

[Rhiannon12866]

18. I guess that the private school I was sent to was "old fashioned" in their "Bible" classes

I can remember being tested on The 10 Commandments. And one of my favorite teachers was a priest who lost his congregation because supported birth control and the right to choose. Not to mention, a lot of my classmates were Jewish. And this was in the '70s. *sigh*

[Caliman73]

20. I went to Catholic school from 2nd to 12th grade...

I received a good, well rounded education. Something many conservatives would be screaming was "Liberal Indoctrination". I had my share of awesome priests and sisters who were very much into social justice and Franciscan values. I also had my share of "Fire and Brimstone" types.

Ultimately, my questions about the institution, the history, and the methodology became too much for me to continue to practice and feel good in my own conscience.

[Rhiannon12866]

21. For me, this was a private boarding high school

It did provide an excellent education, courses not offered in my public school - like Psychology and Anthropology, but religion courses were required. And as a teenager I began fighting with my Dad about going to church. The toughest part for me of that boarding school was daily chapel. These days, my church attendance is limited to family funerals, my grandfather's side are all still practicing Catholics (and lifelong Democrats). My Dad always went out of his way to show up, so now I figure it's up to me. And they're all really nice folks.

[halfulglas]

24. My high school was also a Franciscan education, as was our chaplain.

Not only social justice but respecting our environment and God's creatures. We were okay with not praying in public, etc. Give to Ceasar which is Ceasar's and to God which is God's.

God was a God of love of love and wanted us to feed the hungry and house the poor.

I am no longer religious, but my Franciscan education is still very much a part of my life. And I've always been so squeamish of the evangelism of the fundies.

[calimary]

5. YES!!!! THIS!!!!!

A thousand times THIS!!! And more!!!

[KS Toronado]

6. We should use "Christian Fascists" more.

[Evolve Dammit]

9. Call it what it is

[Higherarky]

10. I remember when I was a youngster, eons ago,

some folks said life begins at 30.

& some folks said never trust anyone over 30.

Now, some folks say life begins at conception.

& some folks say life begins at first breath.

Life on this planet has always been a bit confusing for me.

I ask myself who's the boss of me.

& I find there's no end of someone trying to be.

At this point, I'm closer to the end of my life than to the beginning.

& I find that to be somewhat of a relief.

But from the time of my first memories, I have always trodden the road less traveled.

& questioned authority.

& stood up to xtian fascists.

& indeed all manner of fascists.

& no matter how many times & ways I've been abused because of that,

I've never regretted it.

YMMV.

[Farmer-Rick]

11. I love that sign

I mean does it matter when human life begins?

We have laws against infanticide and murder. And why do humans think their life is worth so much more that the animals they eat?

The answer is because they are humans with bigger brains and they call the shots. Humans think human life is important unless: they need an abortion, or the human is a murderer and criminal, or the human is poor and lacks money for medical care, a home, water or food, or the human is killed in wars or.......

When you believe in magical all powerful beings, there is no common sense in your superstitious beliefs.

[usonian]

12. I am really sorry about the twitter links. They render on some systems and not others.

I guess that life begins when you don't use twitter.
Ignoring for now.
It will show up on the iPhone, I guess.

[Hekate]

13. Life Begins When You Stand Up To Christian Fascists

Apparently got changed out to a jpeg, because I was able to copy it for you. Twit bothers me too — I can go there, but in a few seconds they want me to sign in and join (have not yet). However it seems to be here to stay at DU, and I appreciate the unrolled threads and so on.

[usonian]

19. Gotcha

This is what I saw. I know that javascript and images are OK on my end, from "another site" I recently visited, with lots of images.



I'll just look this up on the iPhone. Thanks for trying.

Twitter is just an abomination.

https://www.lifewire.com/history-of-twitter-3288854

Twitter began as an idea that Twitter co-founder Jack Dorsey (@Jack) had in 2006. Dorsey had originally imagined Twitter as an SMS-based communications platform. Groups of friends could keep tabs on what each other were doing based on their status updates. Like texting, but not.

There, an abomination created to deal with another abomination, ridiculously high SMS (text message) costs.

The problem with technology is that it takes techies to develop it. And few have a conscience. I may be the only one.

[Higherarky]

14. .

[NullTuples]

17. This points out an important shift in Forced Birther rhetoric.

If you notice, they no longer argue about when "personhood" begins. Mostly because we now know from neurology that personhood is a losing argument from the get-go. Until near birth, there simply is not a functional brain. There are no coherent signals, no processing, no organization. There is nobody home, quite literally.

So now they've shifted the argument to ignore the question of personhood and have fallen back on when "human life" begins because a clump of cells are human cells and they are alive. They take those concessions and run like the wind, loudly yelling that they've "won" somehow.

They've reached the point where rational, logical argument is irrelevant. All that matters is rhetoric, one layer deep. And every time they get away with it, it emboldens them to push the boundaries of absurdity even further.

[ShazzieB]

25. They base their argument on the presence of a unique set of human DNA from the moment of conception.

Because of that, they claim this is when a new human "life" begins. Okay, whatever. But then they say that because of that unique DNA, this new "life" MUST have all the same rights as every zctual human of any age or stage of development. That's where they lose me.

DNA is a set of instructions for how to make that fertilized egg grow into a full-fledged human. There's no way anyone will ever convince me that the presence of a set of instructions =in the presence of the finished product. That makes absolutely no sense to me.

But yeah, they think they've won. If you tell them you don't agree, you get called a "monster," among other unsavory things. Oh well.

[Blue Owl]

22. K&R

[Stuart G]

23. K & R