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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI was able to walk into a pharmacy in 19fucking72
and purchase birth control pills with a simple prescription from our family doctor.
That is fifty fucking years ago. Seriously- what the fuck is going on in 2022?
bucolic_frolic
(55,129 posts)and the guy was complaining that when DEA was coming after his poppy seeds, they were also approving the molecules of the opiod crisis for use in medications.
So yeah things that happen make no sense.
malaise
(296,081 posts)That is all
Diamond_Dog
(40,569 posts)mn9driver
(4,848 posts)The local and state level GOP has been working for decades to be ready for the moment when the Supreme Court legalizes genuine religious insanity as politics and law.
That moment is here. The GOP is acting. Things are going to get Worse if you live in a place where they control most of what goes on.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)2naSalit
(102,778 posts)Them, of course.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)2naSalit
(102,778 posts)I was pretty tired and I wasn't very clear, I recall struggling for the right way to put it and it didn't work I see.
I meant that protection from the cult of morans was what everyone else needs protecting from.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)2naSalit
(102,778 posts)Sumpthin like that!
carpetbagger
(5,484 posts)As late as 1979 the Southern Baptist Convention opposed government intervention in abortion matters.
mn9driver
(4,848 posts)The White Christian Nationalist movement that has swept through the evangelical church in the last couple decades is what controls the GOO Christian base now.
They are fucking nuts. And dangerous.
LiberalArkie
(19,798 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)CountAllVotes
(22,214 posts)They gave me birth control pills (after a thorough examination).
I did not have to buy them.
I hid them from my parents.
What fun days those were!
Pepsidog
(6,365 posts)malaise
(296,081 posts)My best friend was pregnant in mid-1971. My very Catholic mother asked me if I was doing what she was doing to get pregnant. I never hid a damn thing from mummy so I laughed and said yes and no since I was using the pill. She pretended to be shocked and later suggested that I have a chat with my youngest sister.
This story still evokes much laughter at family get togethers with the siblings, kids and grandkids.
Dearly departed mum always managed to compartmentalize matters Catholic when it came to her children.😀😀😀
CountAllVotes
(22,214 posts)I too come from a Catholic background.
My mother became pregnant with a high-risk pregnancy in 1959. My father was one of the first men in America that had a vasectomy. After the procedure, he never went back to get checked to see if it had worked. Well surprise! It didn't. My mother wanted an abortion and begged my father to find money for one. He went to my very Catholic grandmother and all she did was cry and cry and cry.
Hence, my younger brother (who is now deceased due to cancer) was born. He had a myriad of problems that haunted him his entire life. It took all of the money the family had to care for him.
He died the year after my mother did in 2004. I was so glad she went first as I know she would have thought that she had jeopardized the entire livelihood of the family for one person that was now dying/dead.
As for birth control, I remember her saying, "We use the "don't touch me" approach". That didn't work very well did it?
As for taking the pill, she acted as if she was against it due to her Catholicism. What a huge joke!
I became pregnant accidentally in the late '70's. Yes, it happens all of the time even with birth control! I had to list a relative to get an abortion at that time and all I had was my older Republican brother. For years he told my parents he had the "dirt" on me. They wondered what I had done. I finally told them before they died that I had an abortion. I never told them who the father was (it was my late husband). I remember my mother said, "Oh is that all it is? I thought you'd committed a crime or something!". She was not shocked and both of my parents thought I made the right decision being I was only 22 years old and in very poor health at that time and had no way to care or support a child and my boyfriend (who became my husband) wanted nothing to do with it. So the pregnancy was terminated and I was greatly relieved! Today I have very little to do with this same brother. He is a despicable fool and I hate him for what he did to me, to shame me when I needed support.
I couldn't take pill as it gave me high blood pressure so I had to result to draconian measures like using a diaphragm. God do those things ever suck! Do they still exist? Do women still use this method today?
Not everyone could nor can take the pill. I guess there really aren't many new birth control methods out there today some 40+ years later.
You've come a long way baby is really a huge pile o'crap IMO!
As for my alleged "forgiveness" for the abortion I had I realized all I needed to know when my father died. He had a picture of me he carried in his wallet and I was pregnant at that time (very early on, like six weeks). After he died my mother gave me his wallet for some reason. That picture was no longer in his wallet. Where did it go? Why did she throw it away? Was she not being truthful with me? Did she really understand? To this day, I still do not know.
What a sad life I have had in retrospect. I have no regrets about having an abortion but damn my late husband for not being willing to get a vasectomy. He refused to get one and said, "They do not work". What a selfish man he was in too many ways! We had one too many huge arguments about this whole thing over the years. At the end of his very long life, he refused to accept responsibility for this and this plague on our relationship. "Don't touch me" indeed.
Totally Tunsie
(11,851 posts)CountAllVotes
(22,214 posts)Thank you.
I can use that right now.
The grief over the recent death of my husband has many facets to it.
This is GOOD for me to realize that even though he was a good man, he had his faults. This was certainly one of them!
Take care!
Totally Tunsie
(11,851 posts)I hope you have people in your life who can carry you through the sad times and bring you the warmth you need and desire. You've certainly earned the compassion.
Peace.
CountAllVotes
(22,214 posts)When my husband died 2 months ago, he left me with nothing. Zero.
Given the very nature of that relationship, I was very isolated. He wanted to own me but he didn't.
I remember not long before he died I'd been out late one night with an old friend and he said to me the next day, "I thought you you were never coming home".
I replied, "Of course I was going to come home. Where else was I going to go?".
I'm trying to meet new people and make friends but it is difficult.
Life is one day at a time for me.
I feel lucky to have my three cats. I am never alone as long as they are around. I never thought I'd end up in this situation, never.
I often wonder how he would feel had he known I'd end up with nothing after 44 years of me taking care of him.
I think he was sick for a very long time, much longer than I had realized or cared to recognize.
Its over now and definitely time to move on no doubt.
I have no idea what I will do but I've managed to make a few decisions.
One of the biggest ones is that being none of his relatives that have stepped up to help during or after his sickness and death are almost nil; many of them are millionaires. Some family! Do I really want anything at all to do with any of them? Answer: Hell no!
Thanks for your compliment. I do appreciate it more than you'll ever know!
dmr
(28,705 posts)Your posts touched me. Truly, they did. Too bad you don't live up here in Michigan. We could get together over coffee, tea, wine, beer, or even apple juice, and talk the day away
But since you live so far away, here's a heartfelt hug to you from me.
malaise
(296,081 posts)You survived - you are alive
malaise
(296,081 posts)Women have had it hard.
My mother had fifteen pregnancies and seven live births.
She wished she had options, but as you said, they didnt and dont work for everyone. Still I like having a choice.
CountAllVotes
(22,214 posts)That is intense! Fifteen!
I know a man from a family of nineteen. He is a friend of my late husband. All were live births best I know. Another Catholic family as well.
I've never been big on Catholicism.
At my husband's funeral (which was in a Catholic Church) the priest opened up with a sermon on love and that being there was love, it is love between two people that causes babies to be born. Sometimes that is true, other times it is not!
I almost lost it after that but luckily the whole thing did not last long.
Its a shame that we are even having this discussion in the year 2022 isn't it?
It was not my intent to bring you to tears but I've had some sad shit happen to me in my too long of a life.
I guess what really did it was seeing how it was in the end.
No help nor support at all from his very large family with millionaires in it.
I'd be ashamed frankly if it was own child in the position I was in, relying on a totally disabled woman with MS trying to pay for and deal with the entire thing with no help at all. My disability check is just over $1000 a month. I cannot collect his being he got less than I do (he received $660 a month). At least I know where the cards lay now. As I wrote earlier, they can all fuck off!
It was a hell of a way to learn this lesson that I needed to learn.
Thank you for your kind words and I thank everyone else that replied as well.
May the Force Be With all of us!
malaise
(296,081 posts)I have no problem crying. Sometimes its needed.
Dad wasnt Catholic and used to question how people with no relationships had so much to say on the subject. I agreed with him.
I started questioning religion early and abandoned it as a young adult.
CountAllVotes
(22,214 posts)I'm right there with you!
Many thanks again!!!
róisín_dubh
(12,336 posts)Openly and lovingly accepted her gay son, knew her daughter had an abortion and helped my sister when she was pregnant at 19.
malaise
(296,081 posts)MineralMan
(151,259 posts)My long-time high school girlfriend's mother figured out that the two of us were fooling around. She was not pleased, but gave her daughter a supply of condoms. That was back in 1963, in California, were contraceptives were not available for purchase by anyone under the age of 21. Pre-birth control pills, too.
Reality comes first in the list of priorities, it seems.
malaise
(296,081 posts)😀😀😀
MineralMan
(151,259 posts)MuseRider
(35,176 posts)No fun.
Joinfortmill
(21,157 posts)Thunderbeast
(3,818 posts)No doctor's scrip needed. Pharmacist will do the necessary health screening and consult.
Any other state implemented this reform?
malaise
(296,081 posts)back then
Response to Thunderbeast (Reply #13)
malaise This message was self-deleted by its author.
Journeyman
(15,448 posts)malaise
(296,081 posts)IronLionZion
(51,267 posts)to when it wasn't so great for some Americans
mopinko
(73,723 posts)they're throwing out bullshit, and the bases is screaming for more.
and they're totally blind to both hypocrisy and irony.
lies cost nothing. why wouldnt they throw out bigger and bigger ones.
yonder
(10,293 posts)I don't see anything to stop their MO except elections....and they're working tirelessly to fix those in their favour also.
pansypoo53219
(23,034 posts)MarcA
(2,195 posts)Snackshack
(2,587 posts)What do you think is going on?
I will tell you what I think.
I think a small group of very deep (albeit ill-conceived) religious zealots have spent millions over decades to get Roe repealed and now that they got that they are going after contraception then gay marriage just as Thomas spoke of in his opinion. But first they have to kill abortion nationally as long as there are Blue states offering it and corporations (for now) paying for travel.
As long as the current religious juggernaut is allowed to do as it pleases one can only guess what would be next if they got the items above terminated. Inter-racial marriage? Laws demanding conversion/attendance
just how far do we let what is a small but very well connected group impose their beliefs on the rest of us?
vanlassie
(6,248 posts)Thats what.
Greybnk48
(10,723 posts)a military doc at my husband's CG base. We married at 19 y/o because of Viet Nam. The last thing we needed at that point was a baby.
I can't imagine having to navigate this country today.
malaise
(296,081 posts)Id hate to be young in this mess and not just in the US
Blue Owl
(59,086 posts)Fuck the GOP
Initech
(108,772 posts)malaise
(296,081 posts)soldierant
(9,354 posts)Just because their tools were not sophisticated doesn't mean they were necessarily judgmental of women.
In Greece as recently as the 5th century BC if a baby was not wanted, they put it into a clay pot and put it u on the mountainside, the theory being that a rich and childless woman would come tp the well-known site ans choose your unwanted babies out of all the babies up there. Which they knew was malarkey, but had to have something to tell themselves. (And they really didn't have the technology for safe abortion.)
roamer65
(37,953 posts)The white supremacist fundies want more white babies.
Grammy23
(6,122 posts)I went to my doctor for my 6 week check up. Without asking me, he recommended birth control pills since he knew we were poor as Jobs turkey and the last thing we needed was another baby in 9 months. So I went on birth control pills and our first son remained our only child until I had a hysterectomy 18 years later, thus ending my child bearing years. We were hounded endlessly for most of those 18 years about when we were going to have another baby. It was our choice to have one child. The birth control pills helped make that choice possible.
malaise
(296,081 posts)Thats the word
halfulglas
(1,654 posts)The OB-GYN department at a Catholic hospital where I worked had one of the original doctors behind the Pill as the honored (paid) speaker at their annual lecture series. Paid him, his airfare, hotel bill, etc. Now it's hard to get your tubes tied at some Catholic hospitals.
malaise
(296,081 posts)We're going backwards
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malaise This message was self-deleted by its author.
chowmama
(1,096 posts)around the same time. (That's what we called them.) Everybody knew to complain about pain and/or irregular periods, and I had my story straight.
Met with a nurse prac, who never asked word one about anything. Came back with a scrip for me. And I never had a problem with any local pharmacist, either.
They were good people. I never had to tell my parents anything. Funny, I don't remember it costing that much, either - at least, I never had a problem, even with only a part-time job and full-time school. Did it cost less, then? I remember having more trouble later, with a full-time job.
malaise
(296,081 posts)We didnt spend enough time telling our young about the fight for our rights.
Evolve Dammit
(21,774 posts)dlk
(13,247 posts)And now it has been seriously ramped up by Republicans
malaise
(296,081 posts)They are terrified of women
dlk
(13,247 posts)They dont like to share.
ShazzieB
(22,582 posts)I was a college student at the time and was able to get my pills from the student health service. For free. (Actually, it was covered by a fee that all full time students paid to cover health services; but there were no additional charges for individual services or medications.)
The health service added a gynecology clinic the same year, also free. I think my school may gave been ahead of the curve on things like that, although I didn't realize it at the time!
Totally Tunsie
(11,851 posts)In July the same year, this Catholic girl was told by her Jewish OBGYN that Baby #2 was on the way. His first words to me were "What would you like to do about this? You have choices." His implication was clear, but fortunately unnecessary, as I was really quite excited to be having another, which was later amplified since #2 was another son. It was my dream family and has never disappointed. I was lucky. For another woman in differing circumstances, this could have been devastating. (Yes, I went on the pill after son #2.)
How sad and pathetic that choices readily available in 1971 are outlawed 51 years later. It's beyond my wildest nightmares that this could happen. I cry for our country.
malaise
(296,081 posts)Scary
Ferrets are Cool
(22,956 posts)Scrivener7
(59,516 posts)and pharmaceutical companies would be pushing back.
If these companies wanted to push back on these laws, they could. Hell, they own half of the legislators in Congress, and doubtless the same percent of state legislators. Which gives them the clout to push legislators if they want to.
Instead, they are doing everything they can to avoid the "possible" "threat" of lawsuits.
Because it's about women.
We should not be patronizing these places like CVS and Walmart who are lying down and exposing their bellies for pats from the Christofascists.
LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)There are more reasons for the pill than just birth control.
malaise
(296,081 posts)BlueJac
(7,838 posts)Earth-shine
(4,044 posts)And that can lead to the need for birth control pills.
malaise
(296,081 posts)means that very few folks visit ganja stores. Truth is there were more potted weed plants around when it was illegal 😀😀😀
I ran into an old friends niece and she said she and a friend were running a ganja business complete with home deliveries and nicely packaged. You do have a point - more weed, more babies😀😀
Earth-shine
(4,044 posts)I'm grateful for what I've got.
Peace.