The Slobfather is going to be indicted

[malaise]

Take that to the bank
The question is what are Slobby, Bannon, Stone et al planning as a response?

[BSdetect]

1. Years of legal delays and court drama coming up

[brooklynite]

2. Consider: at this point in his life, Trump doesn't have access to the best lawyers available.

[jimfields33]

3. Maybe so. I'd predict the first court room case in 2026.

What do you think?

[malaise]

6. I think he has exhausted his legal options

Bannon is already calling for 4,000 strong miliitia to remove the Federal government

[MerryHolidays]

17. Did he really say this? If so, he should be indicted (again). nt

[Hugh_Lebowski]

18. No he did not exactly

He was talking about Trump getting back in office and replacing 4000 positions in government with members of the MAGA 'army'.

[MerryHolidays]

21. This is what he said

Sounds seditious to me:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/steve-bannon-shock-troops-deconstructing-government-brick-by-brick_n_62df1131e4b0aad58d1e13ca

[Hugh_Lebowski]

29. He wasn't describing violence (as was implied by 'militia removing the federal government')

In the post I was referring to. Others downthread clearly took it that way.

Not saying it's not possibly seditious, just that he wasn't openly advocating a violent government takeover by a 'militia'.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

22. I disagree,

IMHO, Bannon is calling for the violent overthrow of the US Govt., that's been his goal all along.

Just my opinion, but given his previous statements, I think that's a reasonable assumption.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

31. In other instances perhaps, but this reference to 4000 has a specific context

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/steve-bannon-shock-troops-deconstructing-government-brick-by-brick_n_62df1131e4b0aad58d1e13ca

"Bannon was responding to an Axios report last week that Trump and his allies are already plotting to replace all federal officials and civil service workers with those whose key qualification would be slavish devotion to Trump if he retakes the White House in the 2024 election."

He wants Trump to be re-elected and for him to replace like all higher level gov't workers with 4000 MAGAts.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

32. That may be what he says,

but we all know what he really wants, the violent overthrow of the US Govt, the permanent installation of the Mango Menace as President for Life, and public executions of those not loyal to the Mango Menace and Dems that he deems troublesome.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

36. I was only explaining what he actually said in the specific context of malaise's post

Since someone asked 'is that what he really said'.

The answer is, in that case, not what he really said.



That said, you could well be correct about his overall wants and desires.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

37. +100 nt

[Efilroft Sul]

54. Article linked in post below tends to support your assertion.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/06/lenin-white-house-steve-bannon

From the article:

Stephen Bannon, President Trump’s chief political strategist and, after Trump, the most powerful man in Washington, once declared proudly: “I am a Leninist.” He was talking to a New York university academic who had written extensively on communism and the former Soviet Union. “What on earth do you mean?” the professor asked him. “Lenin wanted to destroy the state and that’s my goal too,” replied Bannon. “I want to bring everything crashing down and destroy all of today’s establishment.”

***

I believe Bannon would try to achieve his goals by any means necessary, whether that includes a violent coup and/or purging the administrative state from the inside.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

56. +100

Reading the article now.
Thanks for the link.

[Going to Canada]

64. Right on!

Do it again!

[Cracklin Charlie]

4. Medieval shock troops?

4000 of them.

[malaise]

7. That's my thinking

He'll be sending them to their deaths

[MarineCombatEngineer]

8. I would love to see these 4000 shock troops go up against

a Marine Corps Rifle Company, it would be a rout with a lot of dead traitors and a lot of soiled underwear.

Hell, I'd put my uniform on again just for this.

[Justice matters.]

11. These nazis are so stupid and ineffective, the NGs would decimate them in hours.

If not minutes...

No need to use Marine Corps (on home soil).

[MarineCombatEngineer]

12. True, but I would still love to see the rout and soiled underwear

whether the NG or Marines are used.

Hell, even the FBI's HRT would rout them in hours, if not minutes.

[Justice matters.]

14. Yep. And it's more than past time.

AND Faux Entertainment "nationalist" network should be kicked out of all Military installations ALREADY.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

16. +100 nt

[jmowreader]

15. And he could be charged for those deaths

If I remember correctly, Trump brought back firing squads as the federal execution method. There’s a YouTube video of the US executing German spies during The Big One. They didn’t tie them to a post; rather, they stood them up against a wall with their arms and legs pinioned and let them fall over after they were shot. Except that I want .50-caliber machine guns used, that’s how Bannon and Trump need to go.

[malaise]

25. He was planning ahead with his firing squads

Now wouldn't that be ahem ironic if he had to face them

[jmowreader]

35. I'm still pushing for Pierrepoint-style hangings

There’s a British anti-death-penalty flick called “The Last Hangman” about Albert Pierrepoint, the most prolific hangman England has ever known. The British Home Office assigned him to kill all the Nazis sentenced to death in the British Area of Responsibility, so there’s this long sequence of Timothy Spall dangling Nazis two at a time in very rapid succession. They pinioned your arms behind your back, marched you onto the gallows, pinioned your legs, hooded and noosed you, then sprung the trap. Less than a minute from “first in line” to dead, dead, dead.

The entire Trump administration should go in just that way, along with all the congressmen who begged for pardons and the top people in Proud Boys and Oath Keepers.

In my opinion, the best scene in the flick was when he got to Germany with his equipment and was informed he had over 200 clients. The look of utter shock on his face when he learned just how many people were involved in this to the extent their crimes warranted death will haunt you for the rest of your days. (They weren’t the only people he hanged for being murderous Nazis; one of the biggest names he hanged was Bruno Tesch, who ran the company that made odorless Zyklon B.)

[malaise]

38. I have been against the death penalty all my life

But these days I am asking myself what do you do with pathologically destructive people like the Slobfather who will only cause more deaths

[MarineCombatEngineer]

42. Like you, I abhor the death penalty but my opposition is being sorely tested

with the Mango Menace and his criminal cabal.

A better solution would be, upon conviction, send them to either Gitmo or ADX Florence Supermax prison for life.

[jmowreader]

46. I believe the death penalty needs to be judiciously applied

Only if there are eyewitnesses to the crime so there’s absolutely no doubt you got the right person should the DP be considered. For instance, someone murdered a Coeur d’Alene, ID, police officer. The prosecutor refused to consider the DP until they went through the officer’s body cam footage and found a sequence of the suspect shooting the officer. This prevents absolute miscarriages of Justice like Cameron Todd Willingham.

There are A LOT of eyewitnesses to Trump’s crimes.

[jaxexpat]

44. Irony, like a pendulum swinging the only way it can.

[malaise]

47. I see what you did there

You have a way with words😀😀

[jaxexpat]

58. High praise from the OP master.

[KS Toronado]

30. I'd prefer a firing squad with BB guns

Ammo is cheaper plus they'd live a little longer while begging the God they never prayed to
to allow them to die.

[jmowreader]

50. Well, if you're going to be like that...

Why not just maroon the whole bunch of them on one of those Pacific islands we used as airfields in World War II? A few destroyers and moving them between islands on a random schedule will prevent them being rescued by Proud Boys, a desalination plant will provide water and they could be fed by pallets of supplies placed with the Low Altitude Parachute Insertion System.

[KS Toronado]

77. What and keep 'em alive? Let's go with your original idea....

Except that I want .50-caliber machine guns used, that’s how Bannon and Trump need to go.

[bucolic_frolic]

5. I expect mini-regional coups that fizzle

Petulance in other words

[Walleye]

9. I would like to see if the Republican Party would nominate someone who is under indictment.

Certainly would make for an interesting campaign

[wnylib]

23. Yes, they would. I don't doubt that for a minute.

[Walleye]

28. It's going to be an interesting but ugly campaign

[wnylib]

34. And violent, I think. There will be outbreaks

in various locations.

[Walleye]

55. I used to say that a true sign of a Banana Republic is election day riots

[wnylib]

61. Welcome to the Banana States of America

[Walleye]

66. Nice turn of phrase

[wnylib]

68. Wish it weren't so true.

[onecaliberal]

41. Of course they would.

[elias7]

10. It's like a Hitler moment

We’ve all heard that thought experiment about if you could go back in time and derail Hitler before he became Hitler, should it be done.

With regard to Trump, I’ve been hearing the media pose questions about whether it’s wise to subject the country to the trauma of indicting a former president. The framing of that question is off base. The issue is not that he is the former president, it’s that he is going to run again and further destroy our nation. This is a Hitler moment and if we do not indict him and hold him accountable for his crimes, we have only ourselves to blame for expediting our descent into fascism.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

13. Whether or not he runs again is, or should be, irrelevant.

Which crimes has he committed? What are appropriate consequences to be imposed?

[onecaliberal]

43. Yes, this is our moment to stop the Hitler 2.0 here.

[jaxexpat]

57. At this point anybody the GOP runs creates a "Hitler moment".

[halobeam]

72. Sadly, so. The movemet is bigger than Donald now,

their replacement will have the same agenda, just a different way of misrepresenting it to the people.

[Novara]

70. I haven't heard the media saying that for a VERY long time now ...

... now it's clear the DOJ is heading straight for the orange fuck. No one is questioning WHETHER or not he should be indicted anymore. I hear more talk about the potential damage to the country if they DON'T indict. Everybody seems to know what a danger he is.

[Grasswire2]

75. He should have been stopped when Mueller turned over completed investigations...

...but Garland did not prosecute.

Think of everything that would have been prevented if Trump had been charged after the second impeachment.

Think of the chaos, the violence, the crimes, the disruption in all our lives that Trump has engineered since that day when he claimed he was exonerated. Wrongfully claimed that.

If Garland had then charged him, we would be a different country now.

[Bayard]

19. It will be like his, "I can't release my tax returns,"

Because I'm being audited.

I can't be indicted because I'm running for president. I can't be indicted because I used to be president, (and I actually still am!) I can't be indicted because I have executive privilege.

[malaise]

39. One con after the other

I wish he’d go away

[AllaN01Bear]

20. didnt he threaten to flee @ 1 point if i remember ? i wish he and the entire

republican senate would .

[Marius25]

24. Do you have evidence supporting this?

[Warpy]

26. The question is how much money the Mercers are willing to lavish on their defense

in order to keep their own names out of the press. Bannon and Stone would never have been part of TFG's inner circle without their insistence. They also picked Pence as VP, bet there's buyer's remorse there.

It's also unclear whether such an indictment might be sealed and held over TFG's fat head to prevent him from doing anything but using his businesses to continue to grift the gullible.

[spanone]

27. Let it be.

K&R

[BlueIdaho]

33. I expect TFG to flee the country

To a place with no extradition agreements.

[jmowreader]

40. There's a problem with that

An extradition treaty only states that the signatories WILL return fugitives. It is thoroughly allowable for a country with no extradition treaty to return criminals to us; they just don’t have to.

True story: sometime between 1987 and 1991 a soldier assigned to the 11th Armored Cavalry Regiment in the Fulda Gap of Germany got pissed off at his unit and decided to defect to East Germany. He decided to buy his way in by giving the communists the 11th ACR’s war plan. He copied it to a laptop and crossed the border through the Helmstedt checkpoint, then drove around until he found a Soviet unit to turn himself in to. The Soviets made a copy of the war plan then called the 11th ACR commander to ask them to come get this asshole. By now he’s got to be out of prison. Apparently that was a fun court-martial; it’s not often GRU colonels are witnesses for the prosecution in an American court-martial.

[BlueIdaho]

45. Great story!

I’ll bet the outcome would have been different if he had hundreds of millions of dollars instead of a laptop full of info they already had.

[jmowreader]

48. They didn't have this

One of the people I attended the Basic Noncommissioned Officers Course with knew this guy. My classmate’s impression was that the Soviets would have thrown him back even if he had something really choice to give them; he apparently was pretty hard to get along with and had a major persecution complex.

[BlueIdaho]

69. Boy...

Sounds more like Trump as the story unfolds…

[FakeNoose]

49. Hah! In 2018 I conducted a DU poll (I was still pretty new then)

(link) https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210881416

There are some very funny answers on there to my question:
(Poll) If Cheeto should be convicted of a capital crime, how should his sentence be carried out?

I'm so glad we're closer to seeing this really happen.

(I don't call him Cheeto anymore because I decided that was too friendly)

[malaise]

52. Love it

[ancianita]

51. They'll lawyer up. They're co-conspirators. Maybe Flynn, too, since he advocated martial law.

Based on all the evidence, none of them have a lick of defense, so their plan is to probably cut a deal, which I hope the AG won't go for.

[malaise]

53. Yes add Flynn

Waterman had a good thread on him

[LaMouffette]

59. Their response to Trump's indictment? Fundraise, fundraise, fundraise and sell "Free Trump!" merch!

And also get out the vote to defeat Biden (or another Democratic presidential candidate if Biden chooses not to ru ) in 2024 so that the next Republican president can pardon Trump, Bannon, Stone, and EVERYONE else involved in trying to overturn the 2020 election.

[LudwigPastorius]

60. "...what (is) Slobby...planning as a response?"

Trump's banking on being reelected, and that a trial in which a sitting president could possibly be jailed would not be "in the best interest of the country".

Or, he could just try and start a civil war, thinking it would give him some kind of leverage. "Drop the charges and I'll tell my goons to stop killing people."

[KentuckyWoman]

62. I'd be lot happier with an act of God.

I don't see him in jail. Maybe he'll be the first but this country does not put former Pres in jail. All of his cohorts might see jail, but I doubt much. They'll delay and fight and cause more and more trouble in our society for as long as they have breath.

Personally, I just want him gone. The whole lot of them. I want them out of the public eye, whatever that takes. No more news, no more twitter feeds. No nothing. I just want to go back to the days when Mitch is the worst.

I know you can't go back to the good old days when the worst was only a money grubbing economic predator. Republicans are just hell bent on blowing up the whole society. But Oh, a girl can dream.

If only Jesus would come take DJT home....

[malaise]

63. No other former President ever attempted to

overthrow the elected President or attack the capitol.
This one is different- I don't the the depth of his criminality has sunk in yet.

[Novara]

71. Yes, no president EVER fomented an insurrection to remain in power

He's committed crimes his entire life, and gotten away with most of them. THIS IS DIFFERENT.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

65. People here have been saying that since

January 7, 2021. Let's see that's more than a year and a half ago.

I'll believe it if it happens.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

67. This will be fun to watch

Link to tweet

[superpatriotman]

73. Malaise, I appreciate your hurricane forecasting

But have to disagree with your indictment forecasting.

The fat one gets away. He is above the law.

[GoCubsGo]

74. Lawrence Tribe agrees with you.

And, I am inclined to do so, as well.

[RussBLib]

78. so does Lawrence O'Donnell

and I am much more confident it will happen than I was 2 months ago.

[ripcord]

76. The way I see it

[Hekate]

79. I'm not baking my Schadenfreude Pie yet, Malaise, but my fingers are crossed