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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMilitia presence at massive Oak Fire sparks concern - Los Angeles Times
Tony Briscoe, Salvador Hernandez, Christian Martinez, Summer Lin
MARIPOSA, Calif.
Nearly 3,000 firefighters and first responders have flooded the Sierra foothills of Mariposa County battling the explosive Oak fire, but its the guys in camouflage fatigues and surplus war vehicles that have most alarmed some evacuees and monitors of extremist groups. As fire crews made headway Tuesday against a blaze that has roared through 18,000 acres, destroyed 25 homes and forced thousands to flee their homes, the presence of a self-described militia whose members handed out food and offered help to evacuees has raised concerns among some.
Calling itself the Echo Company of the California State Militias 2nd Regiment, the group had set up a field kitchen off Highway 140 recently and told the Merced Sun-Star it was offering food, water and a place to stay for those in need. Online, the group posts videos of members training with rifles, shields and other equipment, along with the groups tagline: We who dare.
The Mariposa County Sheriffs Office announced on Facebook on Sunday that it had been made aware of the presence of a local militia in the area. We appreciate their efforts and any of the efforts of other private groups or entities helping our community, the statement read. But those who monitor extremist groups questioned whether their actions were truly altruistic.
Self-described militia groups have often inserted themselves into natural disaster zones, they said. Sometimes the groups claim to provide help and supplies, while actually promoting right-wing extremist ideologies, anti-government sentiment and conspiracy theories. It puts these groups in a positive light and extends to them a type of de-facto authority that they really dont have under the law, which poses significant issues, said Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at Cal State San Bernardino. When you have a system that allows unregulated extremists to cosplay at times of disaster, you get, well, unqualified extremists cosplaying at times of disaster.
More at: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-07-27/militia-presence-at-massive-oak-fire-sparks-concern
Wounded Bear
(64,324 posts)sounds like advertising and recruitment is their true goal.
I'm pretty sure shooting at the fire won't help.
Rebl2
(17,740 posts)like recruiting.
intrepidity
(8,582 posts)It's clear what these guys are doing. The need some push back.
msongs
(73,753 posts)intrepidity
(8,582 posts)Do not give them even an inch.
msongs
(73,753 posts)Demovictory9
(37,113 posts)Probatim
(3,285 posts)It would be racist of the LA Times to call them a gang.
(At least that's what I've heard when you call racists out for being racists.)
wnylib
(26,009 posts)The term is accurate. It is also the term for the thugs that Hitler used in his rise to power. Germany had several militias after the end of the first World War. They were composed of mostly lower ranking soldiers who had no place to go when the war ended. In the social and economic chaos after the war, they claimed to bring order back to society.
Farmer-Rick
(12,667 posts)They claim to support the Constitution and the United States. They seem to be all white males, at least in the pics I saw. They are very happy to be playing with guns.
They misinterpret laws and constitutions to justify themselves much like the anti-taxers do.
I wonder who is paying them. Koch bros? Waltons? Musk? I always said that the next step for the filthy rich is to hire private militias to fight for territory.
Marcuse
(9,010 posts)Farmer-Rick
(12,667 posts)It's an excuse to discriminate and take away rights.
onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)Solly Mack
(96,942 posts)from those they help.
And if not an absolute positive, at least not a complete negative.
It's a recruiting tool.
When you're hungry, scared, homeless, whatever, and a terrorist group comes in and offers you food, shelter, and a degree of safety, and you can't afford anything else because food, shelter, and safety cost money, money you don't have, then suddenly, those terrorists look like lifesavers. No wait time and no red tape is also a huge plus.
Terrorist groups have gotten the lights back on in some regions after an attack or disaster, and they have done so far quicker than the authorities can.
This should worry people. It's not done out of altruism, and it is not done without strings.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)
a free tri-tip sandwich from a right-wing extremist group. She sounds like one of us.
Solly Mack
(96,942 posts)Hekate
(100,133 posts)
should stay well away, because firefighters have a lot on their plates.
Solly Mack
(96,942 posts)Firefighters would represent the state to them. They don't respect the state.
Theirs is a PR campaign.
erronis
(23,875 posts)Trying NOT to to be too uncharitable to some really helpful groups, but...
Seems similar to the xian terrorists outside of abortion clinics offering to "help" the women ("find a better way"
.
Seems similar to the missionaries who accompanied the armies that invaded other lands; offering succor to those victimized by the armies (and later victimized by the churches.)
And then the pseudo(?) religious fanatics (xian, muslim, etc.) who use their professed religion like a cudgel to actually cause harm to the population. And then have the chutzpah (non-secular word) to offer to help fix the problem: "Just convert to my way of believing and I won't have to murder your family."
Elessar Zappa
(16,385 posts)They often build schools, medical centers, food banks, etc. but it comes with a heavy price.
Solly Mack
(96,942 posts)multigraincracker
(37,651 posts)comes with a sermon.
wnylib
(26,009 posts)Crime families also do this. Help people get jobs, or housing when the market is tight, donate to schools and churches. They don't recruit members that way, but they get a favorable image and form networks of people to call upon when they need a favor.
Solly Mack
(96,942 posts)And now America's own home-grown terrorists are doing it.
duckworth969
(1,349 posts)usonian
(25,315 posts)Seriously, it's a small town, and to get to the post office, you drive past the gun store and the guy who keeps his Trump boat in his front yard across the street from it.
I go the opposite way. You learn to ignore the cosplay.
They are dolled up in military uniforms, unlike deputies and firefighters. And everyone knows there is no National Guard, nor an "Echo Company" assigned to duty. Everyone is familiar with the Red Cross and other well-known agencies.
HOW USELESS ARE THESE JERKS?
Well, there are people being paid to stand next to their pickup trucks to control access to closed roads. Essentially, paid to do nothing, and these jerks can't even qualify for that job.
I've just got one thing to say about this.

Novara
(6,115 posts)I mean, would anyone let Al Qaeda hang around with bottles of water?
wnylib
(26,009 posts)mutually exclusive. Since militias are paramilitary or quasi military groups, they usually have their own political agenda or hire themselves out as mercenaries to a political leader.
Aviation Pro
(15,578 posts)Way to appropriate the SAS motto, you fucking, posing terrorists.
randr
(12,648 posts)Chicken shit wannabes.
NoMoreRepugs
(12,076 posts)Traildogbob
(13,018 posts)And I know damn well as a Wildland Fire Educator with very many former students on these crews, they are a diverse group of heros. All ethnicities, men and women out there in life threatening conditions, (Government Employees, militia enemies) working their asses off, even losing lives, to protect and save lives and homes, while these terrorists use this as a recruiting technique. Those assholes dispise all the black, Latino. Asian and so many Native Americans on those front lines of the fires.
SergeStorms
(20,591 posts)Might their secret "militia" training grounds be in the vicinity? They may even be responsible for starting this fire.
NOTHING these terrorists do is altruistic. There's always an underlying reason for everything they do.
If I were the Police I'd ask them to leave. Then I'd investigate the crap out of them, if law enforcement hasn't already embedded someone within their rank ranks. 😉
erronis
(23,875 posts)So many butches that want to play with weapons. "Can we use them now?"
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)His public statement about mask wearing was to tell everyone in the county that "we just have to agree to disagree" and for people to be "open minded about the opinions of others".
A perusal of his Facebook leaves little doubt. Many promotions of Christianity, Thin Blue Line (ie anti-BLM), endorsements of Republican candidates, and so on...
Zeitghost
(4,557 posts)Offer free food and water, great, go ahead. Interfere with firefighters and LEO doing their jobs or enter restricted areas, get arrested.
erronis
(23,875 posts)I can just see this "helpful" response in other areas that aren't populated by whites.
Torchlight
(6,830 posts)Or as grandad would have said, "these boys wrapped their own shit like a Christmas present, but they ain't gonna fool a fly on me."
Rebl2
(17,740 posts)Dont know about that other statement-never heard that one before 😂
IronLionZion
(51,267 posts)instead of getting in the way of people actually helping.
Local officials always coordinate volunteers and aid groups if these guys want to help in good faith. They don't. They want to push their extremist ideologies.
Initech
(108,783 posts)Bravo, well done, Fox News and AM radio! You've turned our country into ones we once declared war against.
hadEnuf
(3,614 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(22,957 posts)BadgerMom
(3,417 posts)This seems as though it might be his kind of issue. I hope he has input.
Snackshack
(2,587 posts)Identification if the actions were really altruistic.
Martin68
(27,749 posts)hanging around all dressed up and armed with no place to go. There really is no rationale for their existence, so they try to look busy.
Evolve Dammit
(21,774 posts)tishaLA
(14,777 posts)who don't even try to hide it. I'm sure the same is true up there--and probably worse--and some people in the sheriff's dept are members of these "militias."
We have a serious problem with sheriff's departments in CA and it needs to be fixed.
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