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PSPS

(15,321 posts)
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 02:47 PM Jul 2022

Militia presence at massive Oak Fire sparks concern - Los Angeles Times

Militia presence at massive Oak Fire sparks concern - Los Angeles Times

Tony Briscoe, Salvador Hernandez, Christian Martinez, Summer Lin

MARIPOSA, Calif. —

Nearly 3,000 firefighters and first responders have flooded the Sierra foothills of Mariposa County battling the explosive Oak fire, but it’s the guys in camouflage fatigues and surplus war vehicles that have most alarmed some evacuees and monitors of extremist groups. As fire crews made headway Tuesday against a blaze that has roared through 18,000 acres, destroyed 25 homes and forced thousands to flee their homes, the presence of a self-described militia whose members handed out food and offered help to evacuees has raised concerns among some.

Calling itself the Echo Company of the California State Militia’s 2nd Regiment, the group had set up a field kitchen off Highway 140 recently and told the Merced Sun-Star it was offering food, water and a place to stay for those in need. Online, the group posts videos of members training with rifles, shields and other equipment, along with the group’s tagline: “We who dare.”

The Mariposa County Sheriff’s Office announced on Facebook on Sunday that it had been “made aware” of the presence of a local militia in the area. “We appreciate their efforts and any of the efforts of other private groups or entities helping our community,” the statement read. But those who monitor extremist groups questioned whether their actions were truly altruistic.

Self-described militia groups have often inserted themselves into natural disaster zones, they said. Sometimes the groups claim to provide help and supplies, while actually promoting right-wing extremist ideologies, anti-government sentiment and conspiracy theories. “It puts these groups in a positive light and extends to them a type of de-facto authority that they really don’t have under the law, which poses significant issues,” said Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at Cal State San Bernardino. “When you have a system that allows unregulated extremists to cosplay at times of disaster, you get, well, unqualified extremists cosplaying at times of disaster.”


More at: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-07-27/militia-presence-at-massive-oak-fire-sparks-concern
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Militia presence at massive Oak Fire sparks concern - Los Angeles Times (Original Post) PSPS Jul 2022 OP
Yeah, it seems doubtful these guys are truly altruistic... Wounded Bear Jul 2022 #1
Does sound Rebl2 Jul 2022 #36
This must be nipped in the bud intrepidity Jul 2022 #2
how can one tell the diff tween fake militias and sheriffs/deputies nt msongs Jul 2022 #4
Exactly why it needs addressing, pronto intrepidity Jul 2022 #8
dear LA Times, these are not militias, they are gangs nt msongs Jul 2022 #3
Exactly Demovictory9 Jul 2022 #14
White people with weapons are militias. Black people with weapons are gangs. Probatim Jul 2022 #16
Militias are paramilitary groups. wnylib Jul 2022 #47
Hmmm.... Farmer-Rick Jul 2022 #5
They claim to be originalists circa 1787. Marcuse Jul 2022 #41
Originalists? Like our Supremely Religious Court? Farmer-Rick Jul 2022 #43
There are now city police from surrounding areas up there. onecaliberal Jul 2022 #6
Terrorist groups do this the world over. They "help" those in need and gain a positive attitude Solly Mack Jul 2022 #7
All true, tho one unidentified woman is quoted as saying, "The last thing I'm going to do is take... Hekate Jul 2022 #10
I would hurry on by them too but not everyone will. Solly Mack Jul 2022 #12
Being evacuated from a raging fire has a tendency to rattle one profoundly -- but the seditionists Hekate Jul 2022 #15
They should stay away but then they don't think the way we do. Solly Mack Jul 2022 #18
Agreed! Rebl2 Jul 2022 #37
That's how the religious folk worm their way into crises. erronis Jul 2022 #25
Yes Solly Mack Jul 2022 #26
It's like the drug cartels in Mexico. Elessar Zappa Jul 2022 #31
Yep. Them, too. Solly Mack Jul 2022 #34
Every free dinner at the Salvation Army multigraincracker Jul 2022 #40
Yup. Hamas does this in Middle Eastern countries. wnylib Jul 2022 #48
Yes. Hamas, others. Solly Mack Jul 2022 #50
PR & recruitment duckworth969 Jul 2022 #9
Drove right past their Halloween show. usonian Jul 2022 #11
They're not militias; they're terrorist organizations. Novara Jul 2022 #13
Militia and terrorist organization are not wnylib Jul 2022 #49
We who dare Aviation Pro Jul 2022 #17
Hiding behind the lines while bad mouthing the heros and government agencies on the front lines randr Jul 2022 #19
THIS. TY. NoMoreRepugs Jul 2022 #20
Right!! Traildogbob Jul 2022 #21
Perhaps they have something else in mind. SergeStorms Jul 2022 #22
I'd worry more that the terrorists have embedded inside the LEO ranks. erronis Jul 2022 #27
It should be noted that Sheriff Jeremy Briese has all the signs of a CSPOA NullTuples Jul 2022 #23
Seems pretty simple Zeitghost Jul 2022 #24
Be super-weaponized while offering to help? No. erronis Jul 2022 #30
The very example of Lipstick on a Pig Torchlight Jul 2022 #28
Definitely lipstick on a pig Rebl2 Jul 2022 #39
Maybe they can shoot the fire IronLionZion Jul 2022 #29
Great, we have our own version of ISIS and al-Qaeda. Initech Jul 2022 #32
Come citizen, let the party feed you.... hadEnuf Jul 2022 #33
IMO, this is bullshit. Ferrets are Cool Jul 2022 #35
Oh, Gov. Newsom, please weigh in. BadgerMom Jul 2022 #38
There would be no group... Snackshack Jul 2022 #42
The militia is just desperate to be seen doing something- anything - rather than just parading and Martin68 Jul 2022 #44
Burn Baby Burn. "Echo Company" FU Evolve Dammit Jul 2022 #45
LASD has avowed three percenters among its deputies tishaLA Jul 2022 #46

Wounded Bear

(64,324 posts)
1. Yeah, it seems doubtful these guys are truly altruistic...
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 02:54 PM
Jul 2022

sounds like advertising and recruitment is their true goal.

I'm pretty sure shooting at the fire won't help.

intrepidity

(8,582 posts)
2. This must be nipped in the bud
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 03:00 PM
Jul 2022

It's clear what these guys are doing. The need some push back.

Probatim

(3,285 posts)
16. White people with weapons are militias. Black people with weapons are gangs.
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 03:41 PM
Jul 2022

It would be racist of the LA Times to call them a gang.

(At least that's what I've heard when you call racists out for being racists.)

wnylib

(26,009 posts)
47. Militias are paramilitary groups.
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 06:35 PM
Jul 2022

The term is accurate. It is also the term for the thugs that Hitler used in his rise to power. Germany had several militias after the end of the first World War. They were composed of mostly lower ranking soldiers who had no place to go when the war ended. In the social and economic chaos after the war, they claimed to bring order back to society.

Farmer-Rick

(12,667 posts)
5. Hmmm....
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 03:04 PM
Jul 2022

They claim to support the Constitution and the United States. They seem to be all white males, at least in the pics I saw. They are very happy to be playing with guns.

They misinterpret laws and constitutions to justify themselves much like the anti-taxers do.

I wonder who is paying them. Koch bros? Waltons? Musk? I always said that the next step for the filthy rich is to hire private militias to fight for territory.

Farmer-Rick

(12,667 posts)
43. Originalists? Like our Supremely Religious Court?
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 05:12 PM
Jul 2022

It's an excuse to discriminate and take away rights.

Solly Mack

(96,942 posts)
7. Terrorist groups do this the world over. They "help" those in need and gain a positive attitude
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 03:19 PM
Jul 2022

from those they help.

And if not an absolute positive, at least not a complete negative.

It's a recruiting tool.

When you're hungry, scared, homeless, whatever, and a terrorist group comes in and offers you food, shelter, and a degree of safety, and you can't afford anything else because food, shelter, and safety cost money, money you don't have, then suddenly, those terrorists look like lifesavers. No wait time and no red tape is also a huge plus.

Terrorist groups have gotten the lights back on in some regions after an attack or disaster, and they have done so far quicker than the authorities can.

This should worry people. It's not done out of altruism, and it is not done without strings.











Hekate

(100,133 posts)
10. All true, tho one unidentified woman is quoted as saying, "The last thing I'm going to do is take...
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 03:24 PM
Jul 2022

…a free tri-tip sandwich from a right-wing extremist group.” She sounds like one of us.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
15. Being evacuated from a raging fire has a tendency to rattle one profoundly -- but the seditionists
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 03:38 PM
Jul 2022

… should stay well away, because firefighters have a lot on their plates.

Solly Mack

(96,942 posts)
18. They should stay away but then they don't think the way we do.
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 03:41 PM
Jul 2022

Firefighters would represent the state to them. They don't respect the state.

Theirs is a PR campaign.

erronis

(23,875 posts)
25. That's how the religious folk worm their way into crises.
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 04:16 PM
Jul 2022

Trying NOT to to be too uncharitable to some really helpful groups, but...

Seems similar to the xian terrorists outside of abortion clinics offering to "help" the women ("find a better way&quot .

Seems similar to the missionaries who accompanied the armies that invaded other lands; offering succor to those victimized by the armies (and later victimized by the churches.)

And then the pseudo(?) religious fanatics (xian, muslim, etc.) who use their professed religion like a cudgel to actually cause harm to the population. And then have the chutzpah (non-secular word) to offer to help fix the problem: "Just convert to my way of believing and I won't have to murder your family."


Elessar Zappa

(16,385 posts)
31. It's like the drug cartels in Mexico.
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 04:24 PM
Jul 2022

They often build schools, medical centers, food banks, etc. but it comes with a heavy price.

wnylib

(26,009 posts)
48. Yup. Hamas does this in Middle Eastern countries.
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 06:49 PM
Jul 2022

Crime families also do this. Help people get jobs, or housing when the market is tight, donate to schools and churches. They don't recruit members that way, but they get a favorable image and form networks of people to call upon when they need a favor.

usonian

(25,315 posts)
11. Drove right past their Halloween show.
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 03:26 PM
Jul 2022

Seriously, it's a small town, and to get to the post office, you drive past the gun store and the guy who keeps his Trump boat in his front yard across the street from it.

I go the opposite way. You learn to ignore the cosplay.

They are dolled up in military uniforms, unlike deputies and firefighters. And everyone knows there is no National Guard, nor an "Echo Company" assigned to duty. Everyone is familiar with the Red Cross and other well-known agencies.

HOW USELESS ARE THESE JERKS?

Well, there are people being paid to stand next to their pickup trucks to control access to closed roads. Essentially, paid to do nothing, and these jerks can't even qualify for that job.

I've just got one thing to say about this.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
13. They're not militias; they're terrorist organizations.
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 03:30 PM
Jul 2022

I mean, would anyone let Al Qaeda hang around with bottles of water?

wnylib

(26,009 posts)
49. Militia and terrorist organization are not
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 06:54 PM
Jul 2022

mutually exclusive. Since militias are paramilitary or quasi military groups, they usually have their own political agenda or hire themselves out as mercenaries to a political leader.

randr

(12,648 posts)
19. Hiding behind the lines while bad mouthing the heros and government agencies on the front lines
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 03:48 PM
Jul 2022

Chicken shit wannabes.

Traildogbob

(13,018 posts)
21. Right!!
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 04:01 PM
Jul 2022

And I know damn well as a Wildland Fire Educator with very many former students on these crews, they are a diverse group of hero’s. All ethnicities, men and women out there in life threatening conditions, (Government Employees, militia enemies) working their asses off, even losing lives, to protect and save lives and homes, while these terrorists use this as a recruiting technique. Those assholes dispise all the black, Latino. Asian and so many Native Americans on those front lines of the fires.

SergeStorms

(20,591 posts)
22. Perhaps they have something else in mind.
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 04:03 PM
Jul 2022

Might their secret "militia" training grounds be in the vicinity? They may even be responsible for starting this fire.

NOTHING these terrorists do is altruistic. There's always an underlying reason for everything they do.

If I were the Police I'd ask them to leave. Then I'd investigate the crap out of them, if law enforcement hasn't already embedded someone within their rank ranks. 😉

erronis

(23,875 posts)
27. I'd worry more that the terrorists have embedded inside the LEO ranks.
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 04:22 PM
Jul 2022

So many butches that want to play with weapons. "Can we use them now?"

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
23. It should be noted that Sheriff Jeremy Briese has all the signs of a CSPOA
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 04:07 PM
Jul 2022

His public statement about mask wearing was to tell everyone in the county that "we just have to agree to disagree" and for people to be "open minded about the opinions of others".

A perusal of his Facebook leaves little doubt. Many promotions of Christianity, Thin Blue Line (ie anti-BLM), endorsements of Republican candidates, and so on...
 

Zeitghost

(4,557 posts)
24. Seems pretty simple
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 04:15 PM
Jul 2022

Offer free food and water, great, go ahead. Interfere with firefighters and LEO doing their jobs or enter restricted areas, get arrested.

erronis

(23,875 posts)
30. Be super-weaponized while offering to help? No.
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 04:24 PM
Jul 2022

I can just see this "helpful" response in other areas that aren't populated by whites.

Torchlight

(6,830 posts)
28. The very example of Lipstick on a Pig
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 04:23 PM
Jul 2022

Or as grandad would have said, "these boys wrapped their own shit like a Christmas present, but they ain't gonna fool a fly on me."

Rebl2

(17,740 posts)
39. Definitely lipstick on a pig
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 04:46 PM
Jul 2022

Don’t know about that other statement-never heard that one before 😂

IronLionZion

(51,267 posts)
29. Maybe they can shoot the fire
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 04:23 PM
Jul 2022

instead of getting in the way of people actually helping.

Local officials always coordinate volunteers and aid groups if these guys want to help in good faith. They don't. They want to push their extremist ideologies.

Initech

(108,783 posts)
32. Great, we have our own version of ISIS and al-Qaeda.
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 04:30 PM
Jul 2022

Bravo, well done, Fox News and AM radio! You've turned our country into ones we once declared war against.

BadgerMom

(3,417 posts)
38. Oh, Gov. Newsom, please weigh in.
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 04:45 PM
Jul 2022

This seems as though it might be his kind of issue. I hope he has input.

Martin68

(27,749 posts)
44. The militia is just desperate to be seen doing something- anything - rather than just parading and
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 05:44 PM
Jul 2022

hanging around all dressed up and armed with no place to go. There really is no rationale for their existence, so they try to look busy.

tishaLA

(14,777 posts)
46. LASD has avowed three percenters among its deputies
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 05:53 PM
Jul 2022

who don't even try to hide it. I'm sure the same is true up there--and probably worse--and some people in the sheriff's dept are members of these "militias."

We have a serious problem with sheriff's departments in CA and it needs to be fixed.


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