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Nevilledog

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Wed Jul 27, 2022, 07:42 PM Jul 2022

MO: Every abortion must be reported and prosecutors will decide whether to file charges





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When Missouri doctors terminate a pregnancy because of a medical emergency, they must report their decision to the state. Then prosecutors review it and decide whether or not to charge them with a criminal violation of the state's abortion ban. https://statnews.com/2022/07/05/a-scary-time-fear-of-prosecution-forces-doctors-to-choose-between-protecting-themselves-or-their-patients/

Missouri residents with ectopic pregnancies must persuade a hospital ethics committee that their condition is sufficiently life-threatening to justify an abortion, even if their fallopian tubes are about to burst. https://statnews.com/2022/07/05/a-scary-time-fear-of-prosecution-forces-doctors-to-choose-between-protecting-themselves-or-their-patients/

Last Wednesday, a patient walked into Julie Rhee’s fertility clinic in St. Louis with pelvic pain that was getting steadily worse. She had a history of ectopic pregnancies and, following months of IVF treatment, was showing all the signs of another one. A recently implanted embryo was growing inside the fragile walls of her fallopian tube, threatening to burst them open and cause internal bleeding at any moment. She needed surgery, and fast.

For the first time, though, Rhee discovered her clinical judgment wasn’t enough. She would have to present her case to a hospital ethics committee.

Some Missouri hospitals are instructing doctors not to treat patients with an ectopic pregnancy until they are "unstable" or experiencing blood loss. Only at that point can they terminate the pregnancy (which is unviable by definition). https://statnews.com/2022/07/05/a-scary-time-fear-of-prosecution-forces-doctors-to-choose-between-protecting-themselves-or-their-patients/

Although Rhee’s patient was able to get surgery in time, physicians are worried that delays could imperil other patients. The lack of specificity over what counts as a threat to the mother’s life means some doctors feel pressure to sit and watch patients’ health deteriorate until they’re able to intervene.

Serena H. Chen, a fertility doctor in private practice in New Jersey, said a friend in Missouri had been told by her hospital to wait until patients with ectopic pregnancies are unstable before taking them to the operating room.

Jane van Dis, professor of obstetrics and gynecology at University of Rochester Medical Center in New York, also tweeted that colleagues in Missouri were now waiting to treat ectopic pregnancies until their patients had falling hemoglobin levels — an indication of blood loss — or unstable vital signs.
1:00 PM · Jul 27, 2022


https://www.statnews.com/2022/07/05/a-scary-time-fear-of-prosecution-forces-doctors-to-choose-between-protecting-themselves-or-their-patients/

Last Wednesday, a patient walked into Julie Rhee’s fertility clinic in St. Louis with pelvic pain that was getting steadily worse. She had a history of ectopic pregnancies and, following months of IVF treatment, was showing all the signs of another one. A recently implanted embryo was growing inside the fragile walls of her fallopian tube, threatening to burst them open and cause internal bleeding at any moment. She needed surgery, and fast. For the first time, though, Rhee discovered her clinical judgment wasn’t enough. She would have to present her case to a hospital ethics committee.

In the days after the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, Missouri was one of several states that rushed to pass legislation that bans physicians from terminating a pregnancy unless the mother’s life is in immediate danger. Physicians like Rhee risk losing their medical license and more than a decade of prison time if they violate these laws, so doctors and hospitals are taking no chances.

Though an ectopic pregnancy will never result in childbirth, and can cause massive internal bleeding and death if left untreated, the ethics team at Mercy Hospital had to determine that Rhee was exercising appropriate judgment and her patient was in danger before she could be rushed to the operating room. The added bureaucracy took more than half a day of work, and Rhee felt the oversight was intended to protect her and the hospital, at the expense of her patient.

“When we graduate medical school and take the Hippocratic oath, we vow to first do no harm to the patient, and to keep the patient’s best interests in mind,” said Rhee, an OB-GYN and a reproductive endocrinology and infertility specialist who noted she was speaking only for herself, not a medical practice or hospital. Seeking approval from ethics committee members with no clinical expertise can help document that physicians are acting within the law, she added, but puts patients’ lives at risk: “I can’t think of another situation where we’re feeling cornered to choose between the two.”

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MO: Every abortion must be reported and prosecutors will decide whether to file charges (Original Post) Nevilledog Jul 2022 OP
The new GOP law requires all Women to get the permission of any male over the age of Eliot Rosewater Jul 2022 #1
Arbitrary? Higherarky Jul 2022 #2
Haphazard system, personal judgment and beliefs by prosecutors.... what happened to law being Karadeniz Jul 2022 #3
K&R Solly Mack Jul 2022 #4
What if every menstruating woman filed a monthly miscarriage/natural abortion report? OAITW r.2.0 Jul 2022 #5
Romania and the Nicolae Ceaușescu forced birth nightmare Hekate Jul 2022 #12
This is infuriating and totally unacceptable! Diamond_Dog Jul 2022 #6
Dead in the motherfuckin streets Leghorn21 Jul 2022 #7
Holy shit, they really are going to go full Nazi on this aren't they? Initech Jul 2022 #8
The fertility cycle of every female will soon be regulated with forced reporting alphafemale Jul 2022 #9
Absolutely crazy Rebl2 Jul 2022 #10
This. Is. INSANE. Hekate Jul 2022 #11
I definitely will be boycotting MO. roamer65 Jul 2022 #13
I think health care providers should consider taking their services tulipsandroses Jul 2022 #14
Move them over to IL. roamer65 Jul 2022 #16
Oh please..this is such nonsense. PortTack Jul 2022 #15
Why sure, because Prosecutors all have more medical knowledge than doctors. sinkingfeeling Jul 2022 #17
Who needs medical knowledge when they have faith! Mariana Jul 2022 #19
Doctor's need to work on their end while we protest and LuckyLib Jul 2022 #18

Eliot Rosewater

(34,282 posts)
1. The new GOP law requires all Women to get the permission of any male over the age of
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 07:45 PM
Jul 2022

18 who can show they are registered republicans whether or not they can have sex, at all, with anyone. This law is coming.

Karadeniz

(24,732 posts)
3. Haphazard system, personal judgment and beliefs by prosecutors.... what happened to law being
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 07:48 PM
Jul 2022

impartial and equal for everyone....

OAITW r.2.0

(31,731 posts)
5. What if every menstruating woman filed a monthly miscarriage/natural abortion report?
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 07:50 PM
Jul 2022

These states would need a whole lot of investigation bureaucracy to manage that.

Pretty soon, they'll require monthly proof of non-pregnancy for all women of child bearing age. You can't protect those blasto-citizens if you don't know if they exist.

Diamond_Dog

(40,093 posts)
6. This is infuriating and totally unacceptable!
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 07:52 PM
Jul 2022

They are treating pregnant women and their doctors like criminals! These republican death mongers need to be sued, forced out of office, something! Women will die needlessly and they do not care!

tulipsandroses

(8,186 posts)
14. I think health care providers should consider taking their services
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 09:23 PM
Jul 2022

Not just abortion providers, ER staff and other providers. I hate that the residents would suffer but since they want to play doctor, then figure out how to care for the community when they have very little to no providers.

PortTack

(35,816 posts)
15. Oh please..this is such nonsense.
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 09:24 PM
Jul 2022

Federal Officials pointed to the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA), a federal law passed in 1986, which requires hospitals to treat people experiencing emergency medical conditions, including pregnant patients whose health is in "serious jeopardy."

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/juliareinstein/abortion-federal-law-life-threatening

This federal law whether the states like it or not supersedes anything the state have passed or plan on passing.

Mariana

(15,613 posts)
19. Who needs medical knowledge when they have faith!
Thu Jul 28, 2022, 02:01 AM
Jul 2022

They can pray over it, and God will tell them whether or not to prosecute.

LuckyLib

(7,048 posts)
18. Doctor's need to work on their end while we protest and
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 11:50 PM
Jul 2022

contact congress on ours. When faced with such lunacy individual physicians and hospitals need to fight back by doing what best medical practice and Hippocratic Oath require. To hell with state legislatures and outrageous laws!

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