Forget record retention! Focus on why. What could those texts

[Laura PourMeADrink]

have possibly captured? That he did or didn't want to go to the Capitol? Who cares Worse? That he told them that mob was gonna kill pence and Speaker Pelosi?

Focus should be on WHY. Not even media gets that. Be distracted by shiny object - "deleted texts"

BTW, they are NEVER seeing the light of day. They are firmly deleted along with any trace/backup. You think that if they were trying to get rid of those texts they wouldn't have thought about every angle. Duh

[Frasier Balzov]

1. The WHY you're referring to is WHY they were destroyed.

It's way too convenient not to have been planned all along, that's for sure.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

4. Yes. Why were they destroyed not that they were

Did President dipshit tell them to (destroy)? Did the texts prove that secret service was aware of what was going to happen and they didn't tell anyone? Did the texts prove that secret service leadership abetted FG? Agree to "kidnap" Mikey?

No Secret service agent involved was of a high enough rank to determine whether to delete or not were they?

But can you ever figure out why ? Strikes me if that they deleted texts they have scrubbed all other evidence.

Only way to get FG is to squeeze underlings WITH enough leverage.

Got to put actual technical staff under bright light in a room like in every movie ! . And move up the chain.

[RockRaven]

2. I think it's likely those deleted messages were damaging to the agents/SS, not just TFG.

They weren't deleted to protect him, but themselves. For instance, they could have demonstrated knowledge of the conspiracy, approval of the goal of the conspiracy, hostility towards the incoming POTUS or VP, etc.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

3. Interesting angle. After all, people protect themselves first! nt

[bottomofthehill]

5. Much easier to delete them and face a toothless records preservation charge

Than to have potential evidence of being a party to insurrection. Clearly the lesser of the two evils.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

6. Yes. But to coincide exactly to the day with a phone upgrade?

Many of us have lived through cell upgrades at work... Have never lost a single text and that's with a nonessential job.

But you're right, probably toothless - got to be someone digging deeper

[bottomofthehill]

7. This may help

https://www.co-equal.org/guide-to-congressional-oversight/congressional-oversight-of-executive-branch-records-preservation

[moniss]

8. Deductive reasoning

would tend to favor the conclusion that they showed knowledge of and possibly coordination with the various elements in the coup plan. Remember that lots of these people in these alt-right/militia are former military and have ties to people like Flynn and his family. Likewise with the "lawyers" advising on the "audits". Amazing coincidence isn't it that those audits in Arizona and in Wisconsin supposedly have no records to turn over to the courts/plaintiffs seeking them. But they couldn't get rid of it all from the lower levels and that is mainly what the J6 Committee and DOJ seem to have been working from until recently. Now they're higher up the food chain.

Plainly stated it appears that the highest levels of the SS and supposedly most trusted agents acted together to some degree to knowingly and purposely break the law regarding records. Furthermore it appears they have done so in concert with a Russian asset who also was allowed to somehow take boxes and boxes of highly confidential records when leaving office. Also remember the conduct of that Russian asset while in office and at his place in Florida. The SS stood by and watched as he openly discussed matters of sensitive national security like a drunk at a bar spouting off. Remember that there were also reported lapses where people got in that were foreign agents. It is not credible that these were all just gaffes. The plain fact of the matter is that given all that has happened we have to ask some questions that were previously unthinkable. Did SS personnel observe or become aware of conduct that would/could affect national security? Did SS personnel refrain from reporting that conduct? Were SS Personnel told not to report that conduct and if so who told them? Did SS personnel have any knowledge to any degree of the plot for 1/6?

They likely did know especially since the testimony of Hutchinson stated these kinds of discussions took place in the open in the WH. But they didn't figure someone would be shot and killed and officers would die. An aggressive prosecutor would start making moves in the direction of making them accessories and maybe at least criminal negligence resulting in death. Remember that all of the agents involved have lawyered up.

The coverup is now starting to be seen. These crooks destroy documents and records of their deeds and hope to keep hidden what those would show to the people. Remember that Oliver North admitted telling Fawn Hall to shred huge amounts of documents. He never admitted what those documents really said.

[alwaysinasnit]

10. The question I have been chewing on relating to this topic...

"Furthermore it appears they have done so in concert with a Russian asset who also was allowed to somehow take boxes and boxes of highly confidential records when leaving office. Also remember the conduct of that Russian asset while in office and at his place in Florida."

I can't give tfg any credit in figuring out which presidential documents were of the highest value in order to abscond with them. Tfg has no analytic skills to evaluate such documents, plus I think he is functionally illiterate. So the question I've been wrestling with is "who actually chose and packed these documents?" I just can't see tfg actually going through those documents and picking only certain ones out.

Let me retract my comment about tfg being functionally illiterate, after all, he can read off of a teleprompter.

[moniss]

11. That's a very pertinent

question. He openly admitted to many late night phone calls with Putin and others so it may be that he was told which subjects to watch for and squirrel away. We know he was having contact constantly with Flynn.

[alwaysinasnit]

12. True, but I still think someone else packed those documents. Can you see tfg actually exert himself

to perform such a task?

[moniss]

13. Possibly

a family member. It would have to be someone very close to him. I don't think he would trust that job to even a loyal staffer like Miller.

[JonAndKatePlusABird]

15. Could see Jared saying 'grab as much as you can, we'll figure it out later'

Though even he’s a stretch for the trust inner circle of trump. But also agree that Miller is decidedly outer circle, he’s not family and never will be. If anything, wouldn’t be surprised to see him quickly scapegoated if things start going south for the family.

[Sky Jewels]

9. It's amazing and depressing

how many people were in on a literal coup d’etat attempt. Our institutions are rotten to the core.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

14. Yup! It all makes me want to go totally off the grid

with politics. All such a cluster unless we ding them ?.... I'm giving it about 50% chance now. Of course I know we mean well! Here's hoping someone in the inner echelon gets nailed.