david hogg on dems: "Burned a lot of bridges yesterday my only regret is that I didn't do it sooner.

[orleans]

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Burned a lot of bridges yesterday my only regret is that I didn’t do it sooner.

Half these Dems might as well be republicans. At least they’d tell us directly to fuck off instead promising survivors action and then attempting to pull the rug from under them.

Here’s another thing they won’t tell you- half them basically are because Dems have done such a shit job of winning state legislatures these districts are basically a race to see who can be the most Moderate GOP in the primaries and for the right who can be the most fascist.

We have got to start winning state legislatures and voting the furthest left candidates we can in safe primaries if we ever are going to save this country. Right now if Dems were a party in almost any EU country they’d be one of the most conservative parties in Europe.

[JI7]

1. He is from Florida isn't he ? Has he shown support for Val Demings ?

What does he think she needs to do to win or is the problem that she isn't left wing enough and if she was more left then she would have a chance to win in Florida ?

Do Democrats lose in Florida because those running are not far left enough ?

How would Gwen Graham have done if she had been the Democratic Nominee for Governor instead of Andrew Gillum ?

[jimfields33]

18. The only thing I find a little sad is that she doesn't mention in her commercials

she’s a proud democratic nominee running for the senate. She should say that loud and proud.

[Phoenix61]

81. Gwen would have smoked DeSatan. nt

[BannonsLiver]

99. He's an ageist so I'm sure he thinks she's too old.

[Tetrachloride]

2. Rather young to be burning bridges

There are single issue voters in the world.

I am not one of those. If i do, it won’t be over guns.

[dewsgirl]

16. I imagine watching his classmates die and his fear for theirs and

his own life, has made him very passionate about this single issue.

[Karma13612]

36. Yes, I think you are right.

He didn’t “get into politics” for the love of it. He’s an activist who realizes he needs to get into the meat of politics to help further his cause.

Fear for ones life is a very motivating force. I hope he does consider running at some point. We need more like him!

[treestar]

120. To be single issue

How do you get elected if you have no care for others? As a Republican?

[Karma13612]

37. He first got into this because of gun violence. He had a

Front row seat.

I can see why he won’t compromise on it.

[mzmolly]

123. His parents are Republicans if I recall?

I like much about him, but he's doing more damage to his primary cause, with suggestions like this.

[JI7]

3. Which EU country is he talking about ? Hungary ?

What does he think about the immigration policies of many EU countries ?

[Violet_Crumble]

8. You mentioned one of the few exceptions...

Which is why he said: 'in almost any EU country'. Even here in Australia, if you transplanted the Democratic Party into the Australian multiparty system, it'd sit a fair bit more towards the centre compared to our left-wing parties, which are the Australian Labor Party and the Greens...

I'm not sure why you're asking that question about immigration. Our immigration policies are pretty shit, but we're still far better than the US when it comes to our major parties being far less conservative than the US.

[DFW]

22. Immigration policies are dictated in part by geography

Greece, for example, has the whole Middle East practically a rowboat ride away, and the USA has an unenforceable 2000 mile plus land border with Mexico. If Australia had a 2000 mile long land border with India or Bangladesh, its immigration situation would be influenced by that.

[JI7]

23. California is more liberal than Florida. It's the people that make up

how liberal or conservative the parties or elected officials are.

One reason the US isn't as liberal is becsuse of large numbers of white people in certain states who oppose gun control and social programs becsuse of racism .

[Just A Box Of Rain]

69. And being "more liberal" has nothing to do with being "furthest left."

Liberalism means something. It ain't a euphemism for socialism or further leftism.

[Violet_Crumble]

112. There's nothing wrong with being a socialist...

I'm one. The major party I usually vote for here in Australia was a member of the international Socialist Alliance until the big split when they, many large European parties and the US Democrats joined the Progressive Alliance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Alliance

Maybe I misread you and you're not saying that socialism is something to be sniffed at, but if you are I'd like to know what you think is so bad about it. I think socialism is a great thing...

[Just A Box Of Rain]

119. There certainly is something wrong with being a socialist.

Just look at the death toll of socialist regiemes in the past 100 years.

Socialism isn't something to be "sniffed at," it is something to be wholeheartedly condemned and rejected. It is not a "progressive" ideology, but a regressive one.

I'm a liberal. Not an authoritarian/totalitarian.

[Violet_Crumble]

111. I think your political system has a lot to do with it as well...

I was thinking about it after I replied last night, and if we picked up the Democratic party and plonked them into some country like Norway or Sweden they'd more than likely move quite rapidly to the left of where they currently are in the US because they're not being hamstrung by the things they have to deal with in the US like the Electoral College, the Supreme Court, deterrents to voting, and rampant gerrymandering where one single cooked fuck-knuckle in Wyoming = approx 1 million much smarter people in California.

[dewsgirl]

118. By far.

[agingdem]

9. His world view is incredibly narrow

I admire his advocacy and understand his frustrations but slinging arrows does not make for change...maybe, instead of bad-mouthing Democrats, David Hogg should wade into the election process and run for office as a one issue candidate..in Florida...

I live in El Paso..we are days away from the third anniversary of the Walmart mass shooting...on that day my daughter was on lock-down in a shop less than a mile away...in May my granddaughter was hiding in a closet on the Emory University campus because of a weapon scare at a neighboring high school...

[GoodRaisin]

124. He's had a hard time pulling away from his bothsiderism.

He knows who’s causing the problem but for some reason he just can’t make himself say it outright.

[betsuni]

10. He's been told economic equality, nationalized health care and education will eliminate problems

because everything's economic when obviously anti-immigrant parties are popular in Europe:

"It has manifested in countries across the Western world. It has gathered force in good economic times and bad, in countries with generous social safety nets and stingy ones. 'Far-right party platforms differ from country to country, including on major issues like feminism and economic issues like the size of the welfare state,' wrote Vox's Zack Beauchamp in a careful review of the literature. 'The one issue every single one agrees on is hostility to immigration, particularly when the immigrants are nonwhite and Muslim.' ... Plenty of counties feature political parties offering ambitious economies agendas designed in response to the financial crisis. It takes a special kind of condescension to believe voters suffering economically are so distracted by the identity politics of the Right that they have overlooked the direct solutions to the economic problems offered by the Left. ... 'Demography and culture, not economic and political developments, hold the key to understanding the populist movement.'"

Ezra Klein, "Why We're Polarized"

[Violet_Crumble]

12. He hasn't been told anything of the sort

You think universal healthcare is an economic issue? You don't think the US political system veers to the right compared to most other Western countries?

[betsuni]

13. Beers to the right? Beer is a universally beloved beverage.

[Violet_Crumble]

14. Just fixed it. My phone is crap..

Glad we got that out of the way. So, why do you think universal healthcare is an economic issue and not a social one?

[lefthandedskyhook]

30. Beer is full of purines

not very healthy

[johnp3907]

4. What does he mean when he says "we?"

[FrankBooth]

5. Reminds me of the old Steve Martin joke

It's really easy to get rich. First, you take a million dollars...


I understand David's frustration, but notice how he isn't explaining exactly how the Dems should go about "winning state legislatures and voting furthest left candidates we can."

Because he doesn't know how. Prove me wrong David, and start winning with furthest left candidates you can in your home state. Do that and people might actually start listening to you, otherwise you're just a 20 year old popping off.

[Tetrachloride]

7. Regarding "furthest left", I might be the furthest left

in my family. But maybe not. I don’t know truly.

More importantly, as Frank mentioned, how easy is it to get the left voters ?

Sinema used to be quite a bit more left.

Demographics are statistics and voodoo mixed. We don’t always know what issue or suave Candidate or salt of the earth Candidate or Con man will attract voters. We sure don’t know when Mainstream Media will support the bluest candidates.

So, Mr Hogg, I will continue on with my slate of blue candidates , a wide variety of social, environmental and national security issues and the DU Community

[uponit7771]

27. True, if Hogg understood how lack of ground game messaging in CoC affected dems he'd focus ...

... on that instead of screaming loud about WHERE the problem is.

We'd NO DOUBT win more state legislatures based off stupid MAGA votes alone, but with no messaging MAGA will openly vote against veterans with no consequence.

Too many dedicated white dems don't know how to solve the ground game messaging in CoC because too many wont admit the problem exist.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

6. Passionate one issue man

I don't blame him but would prefer a more moderate approach.

[Roy Rolling]

11. The Same Mistake as Religions

He wants the government to do the work of changing minds for him. Not a terrible idea, but also not good.

Government can change laws if he and others can change minds, not the other way around. His efforts are countered by the billions spent by others against him, he’s rightfully frustrates.

Hopefully he’ll learn and won’t have to burn bridges.

On edit:

The Steve Martin joke

“You can be a millionaire and never pay taxes!
First, get a million dollars…”

Thanks for reminding me. 😂

[Boomerproud]

26. Laws have never change minds.

Even bloody, destructive wars cannot change minds.

[treestar]

121. +1

They expect the party to do it for them. While trashing the party instead of helping. They just refuse to admit that it is not a consumer item. No participation, no result.

[Kaleva]

15. MAGAHATs think many R's are just like Democrats

The further out one is, the more everyone else , who doesn't think exactly like you, looks to be the same.

[eShirl]

17. Why doesn't he run for state legislature and show us how it's done?

Or is he just talking shit?

[jimfields33]

19. He needs age eligibility first

He’s 20 years old at Harvard. He’s around some great minded students and faculty who believe the same way. It frustrates him that the country isn’t the same. I’d imagine we were probably similar in college, but we didn’t have a microphone.

[Willto]

20. What Exactly

is David Hogg's credentials that make him an expert on anything? Just happened to attend school at a place where a mass shooting occurred? What else?

Quite frankly I'm sick of seeing him bash Democrats. He's immature, naive, and obviously has a ridiculously high opinion of himself.

But on the positive side, now that he has burned all bridges with us Democrats maybe he can stop mentioning us all together and focus on whatever his new party affiliation will be. After all without any affiliation with us it can't be Democrats who will be letting him down from here on in. He and the 6 other people who give two shits what he says will have no one to blame but themselves now that he is no longer with us.

[ck4829]

21. I dunno, what makes Republicans experts on healthcare and women's health?

[Walleye]

25. Destruction and obstruction don't require expertise

[Mariana]

73. He's exercising his First Amendment right to free speech.

Do you really have a problem with that?

[Willto]

113. So

("He's exercising his First Amendment right to free speech. Do you really have a problem with that? " )

So the entire concept of being offended or bothered by specifically what someone says has been eradicated because they have a first amendment right to say it.

Can't be offended by anything a Republican says? Can't be offended by anything the KKK says? Can't be offended by anything a nazi says?

Nope they are all just exercising their right to free speech so that makes anything they say fine and dandy. Got ya.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

74. He didn't just "attend a school where a mass shooting took place."

Jesus. He was there when it happened. His friends were shot. He had been a gun control advocate since that day. He had put in thousands of hours on the cause.

Do you not realize how bad that attitude tracks? Remember when we were all pissed at how MTG treated him like he didn't know anything?

Fuck. We're better than this look. Really. We are.

[Sympthsical]

77. What's this "we" stuff, lone ranger?

I'm a Democrat and he hasn't burned any bridges with me.

"Just happened to attend school at a place where a mass shooting occurred."

I just want to let that one breathe.

Something that callous requires a lot of oxygen.

Sure, he attended a slaughter. But, hey, that doesn't mean anything you guys. He was, like, barely traumatized!

Imagine this attitude applied to Uvalde survivors. What was that? "So their lesson plans were disrupted. I bet they're complaining. Tch, complainers!"

This is some very classic, "Are we . . . the baddies?"

[Mariana]

101. The level of hatred for young people on this site is out of control.

"Just happened to attend school at a place where a mass shooting occurred."

[JonAndKatePlusABird]

106. Yeah, what you quoted was an extremely shitty thing to say

As someone in their mid 30’s, I think I’m one of the younger members of this site, and I’m still a full decade-plus older than David. That original post was rude and mean-spirited, and not a good look.

[Mariana]

107. That is the worst, I think

but it's far from the only extremely shitty thing that's being said about David on this thread. Many posters on this thread very obviously hate him because he is young, and he doesn't sit down and shut up like young people apparently should do.

[Willto]

114. Nope

("Many posters on this thread very obviously hate him because he is young, and he doesn't sit down and shut up like young people apparently should do.&quot

I made no attack on young people in general. Does Hogg speak for all young people to the point that criticizing him is now considered an attack on all young people? Wow, didn't realize he had been elected king of the young.

And I don't dislike him because he's young, or for any of those other erroneous reasons you listed. I dislike him because he obviously has no clue how governments actually work and because he stupidly attacks the only party even trying to accomplish the things he wants. Maybe next he can fire off a tweet attacking firemen and blaming them because buildings still occasionally catch on fire. Makes about as much sense as attacking the only party fighting for any kind of gun legislation instead of attacking the one that opposes "ALL" gun legislation. Anyone that looks at that reality and comes to the conclusion that the Democrats are the ones to publicly piss on is a dumb ass. Sorry but there is no sugar coating it. If he helps get fewer Democrats elected in the midterms then I wonder how much of what he wants will get passed with a Republican controlled house and senate.

[betsuni]

115. +1

[Steven Maurer]

125. It's the counterproductivity that gets me...

How exactly does he think that doing his best to put Republicans in office is going to play out for stopping gun violence?

"My team isn't dominating, so I quit and everyone else should quit too" is a sign of stupidity and tantrum throwing.

I've seen 8 year olds have a more emotionally mature response to setbacks than this.

[Mariana]

102. "Just happened to attend school at a place where a mass shooting occurred."

What the fuck is wrong with you?

[Willto]

116. I Speak Truth

And the truth is often cold and hard. If I happen to be on a train that derails does that make me an expert on locomotives?

[Patton French]

24. Attacking the wrong people NT

[CousinIT]

28. I remember being young & idealistic. But...

...I didn't get on social media (there wasn't any) or get on a megaphone and discourage young people from voting or from voting Democratic.

SHAME on him. He needs to learn how congress (esp the damn Senate) works and stop whining. Maybe run for something.

I had to unfollow.

[betsuni]

29. So many populist myths.

Myth that just the right candidates matter more than majorities as if 48 of the most left wing senators would make any difference.

Myth that if only old leadership was replaced with new people everything would be fine, the magic bully pulpit and "fight" and "take on" and so forth.

Myth that Democrats are same as Republicans, corrupt and right-wing, only pretend not to be to get votes, therefore worse.

Myth that Democrats could do anything they want as if they have supermajorities as FDR did but they choose not to. Even FDR had to compromise. Why is this difficult to understand?

Myth that the majority of Americans are populists yearning for true progressives to vote for; that Republican voters don't vote for Democrats because Democrats ignore working class economic issues and aren't progressive and therefore voters prefer Republicans.

Myth that the Democratic Party is "too big of a tent" and "Oh god, in any other country, Joe Biden and I would not be in the same party, but in America, we are." What's conservative about the most progressive and diverse administration in American history which doesn't have supermajorities in the legislature? The U.S. is not a European country. Americans hate taxes, want cheap big things and have lost the sense of thrift and frugality, individualism and a completely different concept about society.

Myth that not voting for Democrats to "make them pay" for all their imaginary sins will accomplish anything -- absurd idea that Democrats only care about money and are in government service to get rich, so the worst thing that can happen to them is being voted out of office and Republicans in.

[Boomerproud]

31. He hates Boomers, blames them for everything.

Maybe he'll find wisdom someday. Hopefully. Ignoring him .

[Cuthbert Allgood]

88. Bold statement.

Based on nothing, really, that he said.

He made it pretty clear he doesn't like centrist Dems. Is that who Boomers are? Is that what you are?

For what it's worth, I agree with him.

[Kid Berwyn]

32. Can't blame him.

I also am steamed because the only time we Democrats can filibuster is when we don’t need it and the only time the pukes cannot use it is when they don’t need to filibuster.

Something is very wrong when Moscow Mitch can derail a Democratic nominee for a year and then shepherds Putin’s Poodle Dimdonnie Drumpfler as he appoints three Associate Justices. And there was nothing we could do about stopping it.

Now, when we need to do a heckuva lot more than expand the Supreme Court, let alone pass legislation to help stop mass murder of CHILDREN IN SCHOOL, we can’t do squat. Oh, well.

[panader0]

33. Maybe he can join Andrew Yang's new party.

Frankly, Mr Hogg, many Dems could be more liberal, but if they were, they couldn't get elected
in their area. Mr Hogg, you are making things worse for your own goals--you can't jump from the
division in this nation to one of your dreams overnight. It's a long slog, so shut up and stop influencing
young people not to vote Blue.

[AntivaxHunters]

38. Check it

It's a long slog, so shut up and stop influencing young people not to vote Blue.

Sounds like he's doing the exact opposite and encouraging people to vote

Link to tweet

?s=20&t=G0vAJARrrC0QOdE-cr7GJA

[Mr.Bill]

86. There are reasons there are

minimum ages to run for national political offices.

For now I will give Mr. Hogg somewhat of a pass and write it off to youthful exuberance. The best thing he can do is run for a local office he is qualified for and begin building his political resume. I think he is an intelligent, passionate person and if he plays it right he has a future in politics.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

89. He has a pretty solid resume.

To ignore him because he's "youthful" seems shortsighted.

[Mr.Bill]

91. He has zero resume as an elected official.

And could you show me where I said I was ignoring him?

[Cuthbert Allgood]

95. Who cares if he's an elected official? You said "political resume" not "elected official resume"

Are you claiming the only way to build a political resume is through elected office?


"Ignore"/"Write it off" = tomato/tomahto

[Mr.Bill]

97. I think the context of my post

makes it clear I was talking about elected office. I mentioned it several times.

And "write it off" (what he is quoted as saying in the OP) and "write him off" are not even in the same ball park.

[treestar]

122. +1

[Meowmee]

34. He does not seem to realize that you have to have people

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Vote for your candidates. People who voted for fascists or who didn't vote or voted third party etc are the reason we are where we are. This country is chock full of fascists and gun humpers.

Over 1 million people were murdered during the pandemic, does he care about them? Way more than those lost to gun violence. That again was caused by the above.

I would think someone going to Harvard would be smarter. Well not really.

[dalton99a]

49. He got in Harvard because of his celebrity status

[Meowmee]

51. Who is paying for it

Lots of people get in there who are not very bright.

[Mr.Bill]

93. Yes, later in life

some of them are known as members of Congress.

[Meowmee]

110. Exactly

Wealth and family connections usually gets them in.

[JI7]

60. Harvard also let Kayleigh Mcenany transfer there for law school

after she appeared on CNN .

[Cuthbert Allgood]

90. Are you on the admission committee?

Do you know his test scores and high school record were sub par?

And even if you did, his "political activism" (fixed "celebrity status" for you) is a hell of a lot better reason than grandpop went here and we have billions of dollars.

[Autumn]

35. For the most part our elected politicians are older and have no stake in the future 20 years down

the road. Young people are well aware of what the future holds for them. Time is racing by. I have no problem with what he is saying or doing. Guns are going to get more deadly, climate is going to get worse. Yeah changing the system will be rough but the future is going to be just as rough.

[JI7]

40. No, Andrew Gillum was 40 years old when he ran for Governor. And there were many young candidates

running for President in the Primary .

[Autumn]

42. Did you miss "for the most part"? Governors don't vote on legislation.

[JI7]

46. lol, So Governor's elections don't matter ? Governors SIGN legislation . If it's about actually

passing legislation Governors DO matter .

[Autumn]

48. No. You are talking about one thing, I was talking about another. For the most part our elected

officials are older. Fact. Another fact, Andrew Gillum lost the election to Ron fucking DeSantis so your point is moot.

[JI7]

55. No, my point is made by the fact that Gillum lost to a right wing racist

[Autumn]

61. Moving the goal post. The point you made is he was young, not older and ran for Governor.

[Autumn]

64. You responded to my post and not one of your 4 responses have anything to do with my post.

Autumn (41,671 posts)

35. For the most part our elected politicians are older and have no stake in the future 20 years down
the road. Young people are well aware of what the future holds for them. Time is racing by. I have no problem with what he is saying or doing. Guns are going to get more deadly, climate is going to get worse. Yeah changing the system will be rough but the future is going to be just as rough.

Now you are down to insults.

JI7 (86,854 posts)

62. You srem to have trouble with reading comprehension

I think we are done here

[JI7]

65. Your lack of reading comprehension is the problem

[betsuni]

44. Why is Al Gore still talking about global warming? Jimmy Carter still building houses?

Why was Ed Kennedy still fighting for Medicare for All at an old age? Why did the Clinton's start the Clinton Foundation? Hillary Clinton and President Obama and President Biden still fighting for progressive policies? "No stake in the future"? The leadership, the establishment. Of course they do. Not everyone's selfish and cynical! That's Republicans.

[AntivaxHunters]

39. Clarification

Before he tweeted what you posted, he had posted this. I believe this is what caused him to tweet the things you posted.

[JI7]

43. Who is we ? These are from conservative leaning districts. That strategy only works if they

represent a liberal leaning district . That was the case with Tulsi Gabbard which is why she just didn't run because she would have lost in the Primary.

The Republicans who are defeated in the Primary are mostly from right wing districts and states like Liz Cheney .

[AntivaxHunters]

50. "We" meaning his followers on Twitter

would be my guess.

Jessica Cisneros would have beaten Henry Cuellar.

[JI7]

53. She lost to him. Cuellar would easily lose in most democratic

distrcts across the country but he is able to win in this one becsuse it's conservative leaning.

[AntivaxHunters]

54. Yes she did

barely & had leadership backed her she likely would have won.

It's not as conservative as you may think.

[JI7]

56. The fact he won the primary shows it's conservative

As he would easily lose in most democratic distrcts across the country . He would have no chance in most democratic distrcts.

[AntivaxHunters]

70. I very much disagree

He won by just 200 odd votes with Dem House leadership fully backing him & holding rallies for him.

[karynnj]

82. Is it possible the general election was why leadership backed him?

She narrowly lost in the primary. Let's assume they were equally popular among Democrats and his margin was people relatively indifferent between them. However, the general election is everyone.

You could argue that she might fire up more Democrats to come out to vote. She might also fire up more Republicans/swing votes against her. I would bet the party and possibly outside polls polled the general election especially during the run off.

If those polls exist, they COULD test the hypothesis that someone to the left in a purple district would do better (Or a counter hypothesis that the centrist incumbent would do better. Obviously, you can't assume that this one district would be like all other districts.

[Rob H.]

75. She lost to Cuellar because

Pelosi, Clyburn, and Hoyer showed up to drag him across the finish line, which imo was a tactical error given that the Texas GOP will likely bombard voters with ads highlighting that fact between now and November.

I live in a deep red state and can tell you from experience that if there’s one thing right-wing voters hate more than a garden-variety Democratic candidate, it’s the Democratic leadership. Most of our Democratic candidates lost here in 2020 because out-of-state donors ran ads that successfully tied them to Pelosi and Schumer even though they’d never even met them.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

104. She would have?

Then why didn’t she? Oh yeah, she didn’t get enough votes.

[SYFROYH]

57. I wouldn't vote for the AWB, either, David.

Sorry, not sorry.

[JI7]

45. It has nothing to do with Gen z or anything like this

This is how certain people have always talked .

It's the same old boring BS .

There are still old people who keep saying the same non sense things .

[AntivaxHunters]

52. lol boy are you going to be in for a shock

Young voters are now the largest voting bloc. Cray cray or wanting better things?

[OneGrassRoot]

59. I've seen a lot of Gen Zers refute Hogg's recent rants...

saying he doesn't speak for all Gen Z. It's primarily young BW saying it's a privilege for him to be happy he burned bridges because the reality is historically minority groups have to go over under and learn to navigate all around the bridges to work toward progress. And that's very true.

[Archae]

47. Screw him!

"They won't do what *I* demand!"

Fuck him.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

92. Is he wrong on gun control?

I think his points are pretty solid.

[Archae]

100. What exactly ARE his points on gun control?

As to his views on Dems, fuck him.

[Deminpenn]

58. Pulling the US more to the left is ok by me

More power to him.

[W_HAMILTON]

84. Attacking good Democrats doesn't result in us getting pulled more to the left.

It results in good Democrats losing and us getting pulled more to the right, as had been demonstrated time and time again over the past ~22 years.

How about attacking bad Republicans?

[bottomofthehill]

63. He gets a lot of slack from me, he lived through a very traumatic experience.

That said, if you run AOC in Alabama, she does not win, Jim McGovern in Kansas he does not win, Speaker Pelosi in Oklahoma, she does not win. You have to find candidates that have a chance. David’s wishes would bring us to a point that we have about 100 democrats in the House and much fewer than the 48 we have in the Senate.

I admire his passion, but attacking democrats is not the solution, electing more democrats is as we saw yesterday in the House.

[JI7]

66. But he also has a problem with Pelosi becsuse of her age

So a lot of this is about social media and wanting attention.

[nini]

67. Another narcissist

I tired of his game shortly after he came on the scene.

[usonian]

68. voting "the furthest left candidates we can in safe primaries"

Sounds to me like safely moving the Overton Window.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

Good.

Stop your flucking bickering and GOTV.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216969633

And have a great day!

[W_HAMILTON]

71. It's not moving the Overton window if they don't win in the general.

In that case, it would actually being moving the Overton window to the right, which is what he is complaining about to begin with...

And WTF is a "safe primary" anyway?

[Sympthsical]

72. G 56 . . .

That's G 56 . . .

Anyone? No? Ok.

O 73 . . . I've got O 73 . . .

[Initech]

76. That's exactly what I am saying!

We can't win if we don't run our people. Run for everything - doesn't matter if it's school board or city council or comptroller. The MAGAs win because they run for those positions and a lot of times they run unopposed. Fighting back against these assholes starts at the local level!

[Takket]

78. what is he upset about? didn't the House just pass an assault weapons ban?

[SMC22307]

83. His petulant tweets were from before the vote, I think.

I haven't been on Twitter today so don't know if he's followed up with an apology or anything else.

[nini]

103. Yes, thanks to him apparently.

[krawhitham]

79. Everyday David Hogg reminds us he has Republican parents.

[sarisataka]

80. Well that didn't take long...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216948934

[karynnj]

85. It is frustrating that his number one take away is not that this pretty much a party line vote

Almost all Democrats for it, almost all Republicans against it.

Then consider that they voted knowing they would not be the deciding votes defeating it. Remember until the vote closes, they can change their vote. These may all be districts where there would be political cost to voting no. It could be that vote may help keep the Democrats in the majority. That is a very big deal as the speaker controls the agenda.

In addition to not changing the outcome in the House, the bill is doomed in the Senate.

Only two things that activists can do will change that reality. They are electing more Democrats and continuing to move public opinion possibly even eventually among Republicans.

As to Hogg, he has been a passionate, articulate advocate for gun safety. In one terrible day, he went from a high school student to a very high profile activist. This had to be a huge burden on a pretty young guy.

[BannonsLiver]

87. All that hate will eventually consume him and he will burn out.

David Hogg in a decade will not be pretty, I’m afraid.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

94. You mean his hate for gun control laws after seeing his friends shot at school?

I bet that fire burns slowly and lasts a long time. Thankfully I don't have that experience to say for certain. Do you?

[BannonsLiver]

96. I bet it doesn't.

[H2O Man]

98. Recommended.

[Texaswitchy]

105. David's problem is he is to locked into the future.

We have a present time to deal with.

We have to win the midterms and 2024 or will not matter what he wants.

We all young once.

Fifty years ago I was pissed off about the country also.

Now I am 68 and wondering will have a future.


My youngest daughter just gave birth to a little girl.

I want my grandchildren to have a future.

[Mariana]

108. David's problem is that he watched his classmates get massacred. nt,

[Texaswitchy]

109. So.

Growing up we kids had the fear of nuclear war.

We Cuban Missile Crisis.
I was 8 years old and thought I would die.
It was not a fun time.

We had the Vietnam war in our living rooms every night.


Anyone of us could be in a store or mall and someone with a gun starts shooting.

I have PTSD.

I do not burn my bridges behind me.

He needs to grow up a little.

If the Republicans take over whatever he wants will not happen.

He's only hope is the Democratic Party.

I am not impressed by David.

[Kaleva]

117. Hogg isn't a household name and his burning bridges won't have ramifications