Creationists are like: "Have you ever SEEN evolution happen?" -- Yes, yes we have

[Bucky]

Here's several examples of rapid natural selection changing the genetic structure of species, and in the case of London mosquitoes actually creating a brand new species

[betsuni]

1. K&R

[liberal N proud]

2. Covid is proof of evolution

[hlthe2b]

4. But, But, But the great Republican Scholar, Herschel Walker informed us that

evolution could not be real since "why do apes still exist if humans have evolved from them."

Somedays even a brick wall would have more cognition (and sentience) than the average Trump Republican.

[bucolic_frolic]

5. Oh, that's a keeper! "the great Republican Scholar Herschel Walker" /nt

[AZLD4Candidate]

14. That's the same logic Christian have used against Jews for years.

"Since we Christians are here, there is no need for Jews."

[Bucky]

22. Think about it!

[Lonestarblue]

3. How about asking in return, "Have you ever seen God or Jesus?"

[Ferrets are Cool]

10. And their oblivious reply is " I speak with him daily."

[raging moderate]

6. I recall Sarah Palin ridiculing money spent on fruitfly research.

She clearly had no understanding of the importance of fruitfly research, in science generally or in medicine specifically. My teachers began explaining this to me in grade school. Later, when I spent time teaching in the extremely rural tiny towns of Southern Illinois,
I met people who had been taught creation science in the classroom. We are dealing with deep ignorance.

[mwb970]

9. The level of sheer ignorance among rural conservatives is stunning.

Especially about science. They seem to know nothing whatever about it. They do have very strong opinions on the subject, however.

Pathetic.

[Heather MC]

7. There is NO GOD, JUST AN INVENTION BY SAD LONELY MEN. Their Biblical ManGod 🤷🏾‍♀️

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A man cannot possibly create life on his own. He lacks the ability to give birth. He likes the seeds required AKA the eggs, That only wombins carry. AKA WOMAN IN 2022 AkA BIRTHING PARENT

The very notion that if there's a god it has to be a man, is absolutely the stupidest manliest thing to think ever. Only a man would believe that even though he came out of a woman's vagina somehow he created itself🙄

So if there was anything akin to what mankind would want to desperately call god.
GOD would have to be a WOMAN
And WE would know her as MOTHER! OUR FIRST MOTHER.

And Our Mother wouldn't live in some mysterious far away place. She would resign in the love that we are able to flow to others in our heart in our soul. She would whisper to us gently, And we would come to know her as "something told me to do that" or " I just followed my heart" or " I had a feeling I was making a mistake, I should have listened" Who else but a mother would whisper guidance to us and then allow us to make our own decisions?

And our mother would never discourage us from loving who our hearts guide us to love. Because Our Mother always ever only was supposed to choose to love us unconditionally.

Only a man, would come up with some ridiculous rule that says if you pick up sticks at the wrong day/hour you can be murdered. that's in the manBible.

Only a man, would tell another man your penis isn't right you have to snip it.🥴 Think how often circumcision appears in the Old Testament. it's the weirdest thing ever. Even Moses's wife had to snip their son's penis on the side of a road with a dirty knife and flick the foreskin onto the father's foot to keep the manGod from killing moses. Don't believe me, Google "flicked foreskin on Moses's foot". 🤯

And the only reason a manGod would demand such loyalty is because MEN who debated the bible, like a group project for a Semester, in the 4th century. Lacked the capacity to understand LOVE. Which is why the God they invented and the Old Testament is the absolute most ruthless thing ever Pretended to exist.
They literally wrote a bible whether God killed more people than the Alleged villain satan. Remember satan only killed Job's family under the direction of the manGod

Think about it when you love someone, you just listen to your heart and you flow love to that person. And if that love is flowed back to you.. Then the 2 of you have just created this beautiful river between each other of love. And the reason I love can never die because you always begin with love. And love always finds a place to flow too, And if it's a person that love flows back. So that's why love begins and ends always. And that's why love never dies. How could it possibly as long as we are always loving each other? And love is our birthright our mothers give it to us when they choose to push.

I'm not telling anyone what to do, however I highly suggest we stop having ignorant conversations about creation. We all know that is stupid. Just tell him that to their face until they leave us the fuck alone. Debating Creationist makes them feel like there's some TRUTH in what they believe.

Even in Genesis, their ignorant Bible says the trees came before the sun. That's the beginning and end of their stupidity there's no reason to have a conversation beyond that scripture 🤷🏾?♀️

Thank you for coming to my Ted talk🤣🤣🤣

💜

We have always known HER we call her "MOTHER NATURE", "MOTHER EARTH"
It's just our brains have been clouded and fogged of a manGod. invented by weak minded men who always WANT LOVE. YET lack the mental compactly to understand we experience LOVE.

[Ferrets are Cool]

11. Bravo

[Heather MC]

13. 💜

💜🤝🏾💜

[The Jungle 1]

16. You might want to rethink some of that.

A baby with a placenta is basically just a leech. It needs a blood rich area to attach to. A man could give birth if a fertilized egg was attached to the inside of his stomach wall. He would have to have surgery to remove the child. This has happened when there is a hole in the womb and the egg attached outside the womb. I guess the question is does God have a gender.
https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1991-07-20-1991201006-story.html

[Heather MC]

17. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Please don't ask me to rethink anything, when your response is filled with such nonsense. Basically what you're saying is In order for a man to be pregnant and carry a child. Humans would have to somehow alter a man's natural ability to create life.

What I am speaking about is the way we naturally are. And the way we naturally were at the time WOMAN, MAN 1st understood how to love each other and that was the change for human evolution. Humans began to love each other emotionally not just physically like animals do, that's what separates us from all the other Evolving species. OUR LOVE BEGAN TO DRIVE US TO BUILD AND PROTECT EACH OTHER.

And therefore any man that has the ability to birth a life.. Is more than likely an intersexed person with Both a penis, a vagina, ovaries and a womb. Typically intersexed people are sterile.

Your notion that just because Science can create something, that looks like a man giving birth. Does not make what I said any less 100% Truth

You my dear may want to rethink your comment instead🤔

THANK YOU
💜

[The Jungle 1]

21. Would you agree a woman cannot create life without a man.

I am not being confrontational. I am just thinking out loud. I am sorry if you objected to my rethink comment.
I have always found it fascinating that men could give birth. A woman provides nothing but a blood rich womb. No special hormones or anything.

[The Magistrate]

23. Dude, Listen To Yourself

You might also want to look up parthenogenesis....

[Heather MC]

24. I appreciate you not being offended by my laughter

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And where exactly do you think life begins?

Life begins the 1st time a woman's body begins to release eggs.

And I don't mean breathing life I mean the potential for all life begins with women because we are the ones who carry the life giving eggs.

And for you to discount our contribution to the fact that everyone is on Earth because they came through a woman's birth canal. Is with all due respect the most ridiculous horrific thing I've ever heard in my life.

And it's that type of thinking that makes a man believe they have a right to tell a woman when she can and cannot have a baby.

That right to CHOOSE can only be reserved, to the birthing parent, because we BIRTHING parents are the only ones who put our life on the line to bring life into OUR EXISTENCE.

I politely ask you to rethink a woman's a mother's a birthing parents contribution to the fact that you exist. Where would you be without your mother's vagina pushing you out into this world? Would your father have done that for you?🤔💜

I can tell you with bonus as much as my father loved me, he damn sure wouldn't chose him to birth me.
And I would argue I have the best husband father in the world but if I were to ask 3rd child he would look at me like I was nuts. He would not run to the phone to call the nearest scientist to make it happen

[The Jungle 1]

30. Men also contribute.

Some of our contributions have changed over time. We used to be the protector and provider. Not so much anymore. But lets see how this climate change thing goes we might be handy to have around again.

I did not discount a women's contribution to our world. I stated some scientific facts with the intention to help us all understand we are equal in the life creation question. Follow the link I provided to verify the facts. Naturally occurring pregnancy requires a man. Yes, woman have to endure the pain of birth.

We are in total agreement concerning the abortion issue. I offer this. Sperm is a carbon based mobile life form. It can live for five days outside the body. I do not want anyone telling me what to do with my body either! Not sure how we migrated to the abortion issue.

[Heather MC]

32. All a man creates, Is his sperm in typically the most fun way possible for him to contribute it🤷🏾‍

It's the woman, who carries the seed of life a man's sperm is merely the water that helps make it grow. Sure it's needed, but once a baby is implanted into a woman's uterus what contribution is necessary for the man then the things that you spoke about protecting her. That is what began to build out of communities because the men were the protectors but the men's job as father, was never to decide when a woman chose to bring life into this world. A man's place was only supposed to be grateful to the mother for choosing to put our lives on the line to bring life into this.

So the real problem with our society today and all the Republican men who think they have a right to say what we women do to our bodies. Those men have forgotten their place. They have forgotten that they are only supposed to be grateful, and as you pointed out protect the mothers as we go through the process of bringing new life into this world.

And if we as a society around the world begin to understand that simple fundamental fact of nature. Every single baby ever born on this Rock that we all live on and named Earth, Every single baby would be born to loving parents.. And for occasional necessary needs abortion would be a thing of the past. Not because of religion not because anyone was forced to, but because every single baby that would be created. Would be a LOVEBaby.

That's the new world order I want to live in
If there was ever such thing as a new world order

It would be a world where love is 1st which is the proper order of things
💜

I'm really enjoying our conversation thank you

[The Jungle 1]

34. Just my parting thought

I would much rather think of man and woman as equals. I believe that is my main point and is the base for any relationship.
Women are not superior to men. However they are not even equal in our society. We are not there yet. Sadly we are going backwards.

[Bucky]

26. We do have the technology to put two eggs together to make a new zygote

So yeah, us men are utterly replaceable at this point. That's why I'm watchin' my step.

And you, Count Dracula, with your "nothing but a blood rich womb" talk. That shit's creepy

[The Jungle 1]

28. Follow the link

[Bucky]

29. No

[The Jungle 1]

31. How bout now

[Heather MC]

42. You're creeped out by bloody vaginas? Don't go near one🤷🏾‍♀️

🙄

[The Jungle 1]

60. Wow I am not sure where that comes from.

Good luck with dat.

[Heather MC]

61. YOU WROTE....

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And you, Count Dracula, with your "nothing but a blood rich womb" talk. That shit's creepy

Perhaps i missunderstood you
🤷🏾?♀️

[Bucky]

63. No, I'm the one who wrote that

I don't have a problem with the phrase "blood rich womb." All body parts are blood rich.

I have a problem with the "nothing but" -- that's what's creepy. Treating women like they're just an assembly of commodifiable organs is straight out of a Hammer Film.

[Heather MC]

64. 💜 Oops..

My bad

It's all shits-n-giggles
until someone loses and Eye🥴


We good?🤝🏾🤣

[Heather MC]

18. MOTHER is not a god. THERE IS NO GOD🤷🏾‍♀️

Love is ALWAYS FIRST
Everything begins with love
Love is Eternal
Everything ends with love.
Love is our Mother
Love
End.Begins
Always

💜♾💜

[The Jungle 1]

27. Well how about this

If there is no God how does science explain the cicada's 13 or 17 year emergence cycle. I don't see how evolution creates that. They live underground for years then emerge all at the same time. Grow wings and then fly around. Rubbing there legs to make noise to attract a mate of the opposite sex. Cause it takes two.
Butterfly
Tadpole
Bats have radar. Really good radar. Although I think my Corgi has radar. His ears move independently and quiver when he is on alert.
I believe in evolution. I also believe there is a God and I think this being has a sense of humor. Nature is pretty wacky.

[Heather MC]

43. Cicadas are around all the time and it's just every 17 years there's a big birth of them

You hear them in the trees, usually during the summer they make that screeching noise

It's really bad every 17 years

[Sky Jewels]

45. Really? "A magical invisible sky wizard controls cicadas" makes sense to you?

Okaaay ...

[The Jungle 1]

46. So you believe a magical evolutionary event occurs to completely change cicadas?

An event or chain or events you or science can't explain using evolution. You can't even apply any simple evolutionary logic to this bug. But I am the wacko who believes in magic. Every 17 or 13 years they all emerge. WHY??? OK, and that is evolution? Ain't buying that.
Butterfly's How did that evolution occur. I am gonna crawl in this cocoon I built and grow wings. Explain that magic evolution.
Tadpoles: They are interesting. They breath water, then switch and breath air. They are created from an air breathing frog who lays eggs in the water. They hatch grow legs and jump on land and breath air. Splain dat evolution. Are they the missing link?
Neither growth nor metamorphosis are evolution. Such growth/events are the work of the Creator's majestic design for life.
Please back your nasty comments with fact. Don't just ridicule me in a crude attempt to discredit my opinion.

Hey here is a good one for ya. Why did God create so many gay animals? There are hundreds of animals who display same sex couplings. Is that also evolution?????

[Sky Jewels]

48. Oh, boy. A science denier.

All of these processes are explained by scads of scientific evidence, not by magic. It would take way too many words to lay it out for you. But if you’re sincerely curious about how this all works, the information is readily available from many reputable scientific sources online.

[The Jungle 1]

49. Well there you have it.

You have nothing but ridicule.
I am not a science denier. But I know science cannot explain the evolution of frogs, butterfly's or cicadas. Science cannot explain how a bee or humming bird flies.
I believe evolution happens. I also believe in a creator. These two opinions can coexist.
If you don't think there is magic in nature then I suggest you go outside more often. Also if you think science can explain all of nature then you are living in a fantasy world. Science is not even close. I understand it is a comfort for you to think so.

[Sky Jewels]

50. You could not be more wrong with your "science can't explain" statements.

You sound like Bill O’Reilly saying no one can explain how tides work. Uh, yes they can. The same goes for cicadas, frog evolution, and bee flight. You seem very invested in pretending science can’t explain these things. We’ll it can, and it has. But I get you feel better believing in magic and fairies and other supernatural fantasies that have zero evidence to back them up —dream world thinking is a lot easier. “God did it.” Yeah, great explanation. *pfft*

[The Jungle 1]

54. Again you present nothing.

You attack my opinion and present nothing of fact. You are more than welcome to your opinion and I would enjoy a fair exchange of your opinion.
However telling me I sound like bill o'reilly is just plain ignorant and the work of a fool that can't support their opinion.
My dad always told me that when they call you names stop arguing you have won the argument.
Generally my discussion with republicans go the same way this has gone.

[Sky Jewels]

56. Look below. I have given you links

that explain that the things you think are the magical doings of a sky wizard are actually chemical reactions that can be boiled down to the atomic level. Processes happen because atoms combine.

[Sky Jewels]

51. Here you go

https://www.britannica.com/story/why-do-some-cicadas-appear-only-every-17-years

[The Jungle 1]

57. Yes that does explain the cycle.

It does not explain the evolution of how this occurs. Which is my question.
So I get it ducks have webbed feet. Why can't science explain the evolution of so many other critters?

[Sky Jewels]

52. By the way, I go for a five mile walk in nature every day.

[Sky Jewels]

53. Here you go.

https://www.odysyslab.org/blog/frog-and-tadpole-evolution

BTW I see you get your talking points from Creationist organizations who believe the planet is less than 10,000 years old.

[The Jungle 1]

58. It is easy to call me a fool.

I can do the same.

[Sky Jewels]

55. Here you go.

https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/butterflies/metamorphosis

[The Jungle 1]

59. Yes you have explained the cycle.

I understand the cycle.
My question is how did the evolution happen.
You tell me that evolution explains all of nature. So explain it.

[Sky Jewels]

40. It's dumbfounding that any modern person still believes Biblical mythologies are true.

That book is so obviously a bunch of collected stories and tall tales slapped together by some Bronze Age goat herders in Mesopotamia. Do people not stop to think that the universe consists of billions of galaxies and trillions of planets, and it is 14 billion years old, and Earth has had some form of life on it for almost 4 billion years, and humans only came along within 200,000 years or so, and the Bible only accounts for a tiny fraction of that time? And God (yes, the fact that "he" is imagined as male would be laughable if it weren't such damaging framing) and His "son" Jesus (the product of a rape of a virgin by the cruel sky god who also drowned almost the entire population of the planet, oh, and by the way, the son is also his own father ... go figure) are these supernatural creatures that focus all of their attention on one species of hairless primates on this one little planet? WTF? I mean, I get believing this shit if you lived in some medieval village or whatever, but, come on. Stories of Yahweh and Jesus the magical carpenter who will return to earth aaaaany day now are on par with "a monster swallows the sun at night."

[Heather MC]

41. Jesus is literally what you give birth to when you love the smell of your own fart

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Sky Jewels]

44. Interesting theology!

Makes as much sense as most other religions.

[Heather MC]

62. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

pray to meeeeeee

[BSdetect]

8. You can start to deprogram deplorables by asking them what "Survival of The Fittest" means?

Invariably they say its the strongest.

Explain what Darwin meant by"fittest".

They are left to ponder how wrong they have been.

That is the basis of fascict ideology: that the strongest survive so be a nasty fuck.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

12. Thus maggots are superior to MAGAts.

[lastlib]

15. Darwin NEVER used the phrase "survival of the fittest."

That was a construction of the Social Darwinist philosopher Herbert Spencer in the late 19th century. He was trying to "bastardize" Darwin theory of evolution to explain sociological development, primarily in humans. Sadly, it led to the types of beliefs and policies that prevailed in the late 19th-early 20th centuries, which focused on human social development, the "every man for himself" notion.

Darwin's notion of natural selection was to explain how traits in animalls developed through passing on the traits that resulted in survival and reproduction. He was correct in that central idea, but wrong on the mechanism, having no knowledge yet of the sciences of genetics and molecular biology. He certainly can't be faulted for not knowing a science that didn't even begin to develop for another 30-40 years, and which largely came into existence because of his own work.

You are correct that the idea of "fittest" is not limited to "strongest," and that the survival of the strongest is at the root of fascist belief. Hitler and the Nazis were engulfed in the Spencerian belief in it, and swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. With tragic results, of course--the Holocaust was the ultimate product of believing that some people were lesser beings, and that the human race could best be strengthened by eliminating the lesser beings.

[DBoon]

38. "fittest" meant the best fit for a particular ecological niche

Koalas fit the niche of eucalyptus leaf eaters, for example. They survive because they are best able to use a tree abundant in Australia.

"Fittest" does not mean "most healthy" and certainly does not mean "strongest and most aggressive"

[lastlib]

39. exactly.

They survive because they are adapted to the environment. If the environment changes for the worse, they stand a chance of perishing, unless they adapt to the change.

[Heather MC]

20. Survival of the fittest, is a really stupid idea because

If that were the case all of us would be walking around looking like he-man

The reason why a man scientist would come up with that or even a woman scientist is because
There is absolutely no way for science to quantify or understand love. Or the power of love to drive us to protect one another. We are the only species on the planet that fucks emotionally and not just for survival.

And that typically starts with a woman because the woman has the capacity to birth life into this world. And a woman has to choose to put her life on the line to bring life into this world.

And that is why the evolution of humanity from animals to what we are today. Which lets face at some of us have devolved back to our basic animal instincts.

The thing that separated us from all the other species on this planet was that humanity was the 1st to have the capacity to love one another. And that's the missing link that no science will ever discover
Because how do you discover love? You simply have to experience it do experience it if you're lucky enough

[Wounded Bear]

33. Every farm animal, every pet, and basically every plant in your garden...

are the result of evolution. We call it "selective breeding" when humans do it, but it's the same thing.

So the question is: Why can mankind direct evolution and god can't?

[hunter]

35. There's no arguing with Creationists, no science that will sway them.

These days I just tell them to go away.

The gods they worship are assholes.

[Iggo]

36. If their god was real they'd all burn in hell.

[newdayneeded]

37. These are the same people

that argue global warming doesn't exist because it ssnowed in Las Vegas once in the last 4 years.

[roamer65]

47. With CoVID, it's survival of the smartest.

Smart people get vaccinated, if they able medically.

[Bucky]

66. Ha, I wish

Covid hasn't been nearly deadly enough to have a pruning effect on human population. Especially when you consider its main targets are elders long long past their breeding years.

[Marthe48]

65. The Beak of the Finch

by Jonathan Weiner. Copyright 1994

I started to read in in 1998. The book detailed the physical changes (adaptation) in birds' beaks on the Galagapos Islands. The book was wel written with minute attention to details about the birds, and excellent references to history and science. I wasn't in a fit state to read the whole book, but it is one I'd like to try again.