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The missile that got al Zawahiri didn't use explosives (Original Post) Doc Sportello Aug 2022 OP
Ouch...that's gotta hurt... PCIntern Aug 2022 #1
Like a Ronco Veg-O-Matic TheBlackAdder Aug 2022 #37
That reminds me of this clip that never seems to get old. TheBlackAdder Aug 2022 #39
Accuracy duckworth969 Aug 2022 #2
I believe they are camera guided. Thomas Hurt Aug 2022 #9
They're laser guided, very very accurate. nt MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2022 #15
The flying ginsu. C_U_L8R Aug 2022 #3
Indeed Deminpenn Aug 2022 #32
So, now his followers can truly be "piece keepers"! Professor---rimshot, please! nt Atticus Aug 2022 #4
Yes! underpants Aug 2022 #11
Another story says that it was Hellfire missiles that got him. Chainfire Aug 2022 #5
It was a modified Hellfire missile, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2022 #6
"guaranteed to stay sharp even when cutting through metal. "...Yup... mitch96 Aug 2022 #14
Also what was used to take out Mohammad Al Badawi Amishman Aug 2022 #7
You hear that, Pootie? Better cool it in Ukraine. brush Aug 2022 #18
And they get results a lot sooner than poisoned tea. lpbk2713 Aug 2022 #20
You have to recognize what Putin's goals are, & they have nothing to do with accuracy... Hekate Aug 2022 #45
Al-Zawaburger. roamer65 Aug 2022 #8
lol 👍, uponit7771 Aug 2022 #10
LOL. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2022 #16
He probably bled out rather quickly. gab13by13 Aug 2022 #12
I doubt he ever knew what hit him. BlackSkimmer Aug 2022 #22
Agreed. The kinetic energy alone could have killed him misanthrope Aug 2022 #46
I need one of those to clean out my weed patch. KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2022 #13
Also good for kudzu. louis-t Aug 2022 #24
I hope they were box-cutter blades Shrek Aug 2022 #17
I was worried about collateral damage...good tool for this toolbox dutch777 Aug 2022 #19
Norelco is coming out with a version for men on the go who want a close shave. Beakybird Aug 2022 #21
LOL. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2022 #23
So an ex-reporter claims; witnesses talk about a loud explosion muriel_volestrangler Aug 2022 #25
He has more credibility than your take Doc Sportello Aug 2022 #26
As you say (and he does too), he's a retired journalist, ie ex-reporter muriel_volestrangler Aug 2022 #27
Still wrong Doc Sportello Aug 2022 #30
The point is he's not a reporter out there, or working in a current newsroom muriel_volestrangler Aug 2022 #34
The "explosion" the heard was likely the missile hitting the target at about Mach 1.3 MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2022 #36
He never claimed to be a reporter on the scene Doc Sportello Aug 2022 #38
Well it was still a jet powered steel tube, with a load of fuel and traveling 600 mph. fescuerescue Aug 2022 #33
Thank you Doc Sportello Aug 2022 #40
How did they verify the kill? moondust Aug 2022 #28
Maybe drone cameras on the drone that launched the missle? CottonBear Aug 2022 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author CottonBear Aug 2022 #42
The same way they do when they blow up a terrorist into smitherins Kaleva Aug 2022 #49
For a split second... "You've got to be shitting me...". Baked Potato Aug 2022 #29
Looks like a James Bond weapon. Sky Jewels Aug 2022 #31
It slices! It dices! Ishoutandscream2 Aug 2022 #35
It's a missle launched, high powered food processor! CottonBear Aug 2022 #43
Soylent Green. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2022 #44
I'm assuming there will not be an Mr.Bill Aug 2022 #47
Or maybe six, but definitely not open. nt eppur_se_muova Aug 2022 #48

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,449 posts)
6. It was a modified Hellfire missile,
Tue Aug 2, 2022, 10:46 AM
Aug 2022

the explosives were replaced with Ginsu knives guaranteed to stay sharp even when cutting through metal.

Amishman

(5,559 posts)
7. Also what was used to take out Mohammad Al Badawi
Tue Aug 2, 2022, 10:47 AM
Aug 2022

Russia can't hit the side of a building, we can take out a single person - with a missile sword - without having a single one of our people within a hundred miles.

brush

(53,895 posts)
18. You hear that, Pootie? Better cool it in Ukraine.
Tue Aug 2, 2022, 11:43 AM
Aug 2022

and stay off balconies. These babies are much more precise than shoves out of windows.

Hekate

(90,837 posts)
45. You have to recognize what Putin's goals are, & they have nothing to do with accuracy...
Tue Aug 2, 2022, 06:57 PM
Aug 2022

He wants the land, he doesn’t care how many people die for him to do it, he wants any survivors to be too terrorized to resist (hence the war crimes), and if all the cities are rubble he still doesn’t care.

The land is fertile, and there’s a really good seaport.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,494 posts)
13. I need one of those to clean out my weed patch.
Tue Aug 2, 2022, 11:09 AM
Aug 2022

..........

Seriously, kudus to the CIA for not destroying ten wedding parties in the process......

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dutch777

(3,044 posts)
19. I was worried about collateral damage...good tool for this toolbox
Tue Aug 2, 2022, 11:46 AM
Aug 2022

These bad folks frequently have extended family and other innocents living with or near them. Totally for killing the bad guy but worry about hurting innocents with US stamped on the weaponry.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,378 posts)
25. So an ex-reporter claims; witnesses talk about a loud explosion
Tue Aug 2, 2022, 12:37 PM
Aug 2022
A loud blast was heard in the Shirpur neighborhood in central Kabul. The district, long a derelict area owned by the Afghan Defense Ministry, was converted into an exclusive residential area of large houses in recent years, with senior Afghan officials and wealthy individuals owning mansions there.

A few blocks away from the site, residents and shopkeepers spoke openly Tuesday morning about hearing the powerful blast. Some said they had been frightened by the roar and the ground shaking, while others said they had long been accustomed to such attacks during years of war.

“All the children ran away from the sound. We hadn’t heard anything like it since the old government was in charge,” said Haq Asghar, a retired army officer chatting outside a hardware shop. He said that Shirpur was tightly controlled by the Taliban, and that anyone occupying a house or shop had to provide detailed documents and information.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/08/01/zawahiri-al-qaeda-killed/

Unverified pictures on social media of what was described as the target of the attack showed shattered windows of a pink building, its fences topped with rolls of barbed wires. The house appeared two to three stories tall and ringed by trees.
...
A woman who lives in the neighbourhood and spoke to Reuters on condition of anonymity said she and her family of nine moved to the safe-room of their house when she heard an explosion at the weekend. When she later went to the rooftop, she saw no commotion or chaos and assumed it was some rocket or bomb attack - which are not uncommon in Kabul.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/al-qaedas-zawahiri-survived-harsh-mountains-killed-posh-kabul-locality-2022-08-02/

Doc Sportello

(7,529 posts)
26. He has more credibility than your take
Tue Aug 2, 2022, 01:17 PM
Aug 2022

First, calling Jay Hancock an ex-reporter is misguided; he is a retired journalist after putting in 40 years covering the State Department, healthcare and economics for the Baltimore Sun and Virginia Pilot. He was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize and has a master's from one of the top journalism schools in the country, Northwestern.

Pics above show the damage the missile can do without using an explosion.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,378 posts)
27. As you say (and he does too), he's a retired journalist, ie ex-reporter
Tue Aug 2, 2022, 01:29 PM
Aug 2022

And "my take" is what current reporters say in their reports from Afghanistan, rather someone apparently in the USA, who is no longer in a position where he has to fact-check what he writes. So, no, he doesn't have more credibility than Reuters and the Washington Post.

Doc Sportello

(7,529 posts)
30. Still wrong
Tue Aug 2, 2022, 04:04 PM
Aug 2022

You know that you used ex-reporter to question his credibility, which isn't in question to anyone who knows journalism. And Reuters and Wapo never claimed that it was proven to be an explosion; they quoted neighbors who said they heard a "blast" or an explosion. Only in your mind does that mean it's verified as an explosion.

Here's the building:
https://images.app.goo.gl/CuREHepZTsToHyF78

That doesn't look like an explosive missile hit it. The point is you were questioning the veracity of a respected journalist who simply posted a graphic of the missile that did the job, as if that dismissed the fact it was used. But I'm sure the photo will be questioned like the journalist. For what reasons are not clear.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,378 posts)
34. The point is he's not a reporter out there, or working in a current newsroom
Tue Aug 2, 2022, 05:13 PM
Aug 2022

So he does not have the resources of someone who is. What convinced him it was a bladed missile was unknown. You say that type of missile "did the job", but we have no idea why he thinks that. For all we know, he just read the Indian article your picture comes from.

You're asserting that I'm "wrong". At least we now have a picture of the damage; this is finally the first bit of evidence that any explosion was unlikely to be large. But yeah, people saying "explosion" does indeed indicate an explosion.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,449 posts)
36. The "explosion" the heard was likely the missile hitting the target at about Mach 1.3
Tue Aug 2, 2022, 05:23 PM
Aug 2022

Last edited Tue Aug 2, 2022, 06:36 PM - Edit history (1)

which will create a hell of a bang even without the explosive warhead.

When Air Force, Navy, Marine and Army pilots practice hitting targets with dummy bombs, missiles, they still make a hell of a racket when they hit the target which sounds like an actual explosion.

Hope that helps explain the "explosion" the people heard.

Doc Sportello

(7,529 posts)
38. He never claimed to be a reporter on the scene
Tue Aug 2, 2022, 05:44 PM
Aug 2022

His journalistic credentials are impressive, and for whatever weird reason you decided to turn the post into an indictment of him. It was a twitter post, not reportage from the scene, as you seem to think, and neither he nor I claimed any different. He just posted a graphic of the weapon believed to have been used, as many others have also claimed. Why you think this is some hill to die on I don't know.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
33. Well it was still a jet powered steel tube, with a load of fuel and traveling 600 mph.
Tue Aug 2, 2022, 04:42 PM
Aug 2022

That's going to make a loud, explosion sounding noise when it hits the ground even if it doesn't have a bomb.

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