Metro NYC Gas Shortage - Free Market in Action

[coldwaterintheface]

and it is taking a GOVERNMENT Solution to solve the problem.

The sale of Gas, Oil and Diesel is a 100% PRIVATE endeavor and they are failing to meet the demand.

Now the Gov has to step in and fix the problem for the private business who proves they are incapable of doing it on their own.

Just yet another reason for nationalizing the oil and gas in America.

[safeinOhio]

1. At least break up the big companies.

No company should be able to drill, refine and have retail sales.

[orpupilofnature57]

4. I used to love that game as a kid, loved getting the top hat .

[orpupilofnature57]

2. +1000

[Live and Learn]

3. +1001 nt

[HiPointDem]

5. kr

[union_maid]

6. I'm all for nationalizing all necessities of life, but..

isn't the shortage caused more because the Port of New York had to be closed? I think that supplies just couldn't get here.

[HooptieWagon]

7. Yes, port was closed, and unloading facilities damaged

And some stations have fuel, but no power to pump out of ground. This is why you buy gasoline before the storm, as part of your preparations.

[coldwaterintheface]

8. They were told about the storm and they could have been prepared

in time to have plenty of gas available but did not

[cali]

13. you know it takes electricity to pump gas, right?

that's evidently been a big part of the problem.

[baldguy]

17. They have these things called, um - "generators", I think.

The only thing is, they run on gas. It's not like a gas station would have any of that stuff.

[etherealtruth]

26. What is the efficiency of the average generator?

How much fuel would be consumed in order to generate enough electricity to dispense how much fuel?

Where would the "extra" fuel be stored? Gas stations in urban areas have limited real-estate to work with. Most regulated underground storage tanks have electric "leak detection systems, " which is an additional draw on electricity.... so are the "pay stations" (ie the cashier).

What about natural gas generators? What happens when the distribution lines need to be shut off due to fires? Again, what is the efficiency?

[baldguy]

28. What's the efficiency of a gas pump with no electricity?

Zero.

[HappyMe]

9. This is what they said on the news.

NY Harbor was chock full of debris. They had to make sure it was safe for tankers to come back in.

Also, a lot of the roads aren't/weren't passable. Two refineries in NJ were badly damaged in the storm.

[coldwaterintheface]

11. so why did not the gas companies have a plan for after the strom

it is not like this is the first large scale weather related event to happen on the planet

[Tunkamerica]

14. Just the biggest strom to hit there in modern times.

no big deal. can't believe everything's not already back to normal... I mean it's been, like, 4 days.

[HappyMe]

15. If the roads and harbor are

full of debris, they still have to wait for it to be cleared.
The amount of damage cannot be fixed in a couple hours time. The first priority is search & rescue.

[PoliticAverse]

10. I guess in your '100% PRIVATE' world there are no laws or regulations controlling the

distribution, sale and price of Gas, Oil and Diesel and all infrastructure is 100% privately owned.

BTW here in Long Island with a 100% government owned and operated power company over 450,000
customers are still without power.

[coldwaterintheface]

12. List the laws, rules and regulations that prevented the gas companies

from having gas on hand to meet the demand after the strom.

[HappyMe]

16. Where would they have kept the gas?

[TalkingDog]

21. Logic is our friend. Thank you.

n/t

[Robb]

23. A fleet of mighty airships!

Powered by dragons!!!

[HappyMe]

24. Damnit!

I forgot all about those!

[RB TexLa]

25. Here are a few

A small listing

http://www.dec.ny.gov/chemical/287.html

[TalkingDog]

20. Ummm... bad analogy. Gas can be trucked in with the very thing it's transporting: Gas

Powerlines don't automatically fix themselves. It's laborious, dangerous work that can be impeded by the very people you are trying to help.

You've made a bad analogy and you should feel bad.

[HockeyMom]

18. A barge came into the LI Sound at Port Jeff yesterday

They don't have to go through the Port of NY to get to Long ISLAND. Apparently not enough for the entire island. We went online and found a map of stations (News 12 LI) on LI that still had gas. Far more in Suffolk (barge?) than in Nassau. Yesterday there were only 5, repeat that 5, in all of Nassau county that had gas. We called stations before we went out to see if they still were pumping, and waited 2 hour and a half hours to fill up in Hicksville.

[phylny]

19. This is not exactly true.

My husband works for a big oil company. He has personally worked to divert trucks from far away to the NYC area. This isn't as easy as it seems, since there's not only the logistics of dealing with blocked roads, tunnels, etc., but by shifting supply from one region to another, it causes a domino effect throughout the region. They are aware of the problems, and are actively working toward the solution.

You can't airlift tanker trucks.

[pintobean]

22. OP PPRed by EarlG

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=291863&sub=trans

"Previously banned multiple times."

[etherealtruth]

27. Thanks for the info

The OP and poster were "choc-full-o" ignorance