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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAmnesty International shits the bed.
Basically AI made accusations against the Ukrainian military which will serve to legitimize Russian terrorist bombings of civilian targets. They completely bypassed Ukrainian Amnesty officials. Already being used by Russia for propaganda.
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Secretary General of AI, Agnes Callamard, is doubling down and accusing all critics of being "trolls"
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If you are currently a supporter of AI you might want to consider ending that support and letting them know why.
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Takket
(21,560 posts)i mean, they are claiming Ukraine is setting up operations and launching attacks from schools? Okay, are there kids in the schools? Is the school occupied by children during this fighting? A school is just a building. if there aren't kids around who gives a fuck where an attack is launched from if you are trying to defend your country for a much larger attacker.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)Some people refuse to leave their homes.
AZProgressive
(29,322 posts)I support them reporting on war crimes without bias.
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Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)It at least appears to be grossly oversimplified and lacking in context.
bottrott
(81 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)Link to tweet
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AZProgressive
(29,322 posts)Xoan
(25,319 posts)BootinUp
(47,141 posts)czarjak
(11,266 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)I provided links to statements by people with knowledge and expertise, as well as prima facie evidence of Russia using it to further their propaganda narrative.
If you're interested you can find a whole lot more discussion than what I've posted here.
Crunchy Frog
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Takket
(21,560 posts)I read some of this report. They actually suggest that instead of using civilian buildings in civilian areas, they should use buildings away from civilian areas or, at one point, it actually suggests Ukraine use "nearby woods" as a base of operation.
Absurd.
If Ukraine's military abandons these areas, what do they think russia is going to do to the civilians in those areas? Russia's goal is to capture the cities and you can't defend cities and the people in them from "nearby woods"
I do agree that Ukraine should not be setting up military operations in hospitals. you don't want to make a hospital a target. Though russia certainly has shown that they will bomb and kill ANY target regardless of what is in it.
They also claim:
"In the cases it documented, Amnesty International is not aware that the Ukrainian military who located themselves in civilian structures in residential areas asked or assisted civilians to evacuate nearby buildings a failure to take all feasible precautions to protect civilians."
Sorry, I don't believe that for a SECOND. Ukraine worked tirelessly to get people out of harms way when Russia invaded and i'm sure the people that CHOOSE to stay behind and defend their homes ARE WELL AWARE that a WAR is going on around them.
Fuck this bullshit, this report is a disgrace. You want Ukraine to stop fighting near civilians? TELL RUSSIA TO LEAVE. If it were me, I'd be happy to know people who want to defend my city are nearby and not "in the woods" since letting Russia roll into those areas is more likely to get me KILLED.
Justice matters.
(6,925 posts)Nobody should remain impartial about a terrorist state using barbarian methods and literally war crimes to violently take control of any sovereign nation to begin with.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)who say that they want the military to be close to them because it makes them feel more protected.
They know that this is primarily a war against civilians. They know that they will be targeted regardless, and they know what Russians do to people who come under their control.
AI is operating WAY outside of its area of expertise. They were a way better organization back when their focus was on political prisoners and the issues directly affecting them.
Trying to second guess the actions of a military in a country that's fighting for its survival against an openly genocidal aggressor doesn't suit them.