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Fri Aug 5, 2022, 08:44 PM

LOL Barr: "He'll be a 78-year-old lame duck who's obviously bent on revenge"

On the potential for former President Trump's reelection, former Attorney General Bill Barr says, “The day he's elected, he’ll be a 78-year-old lame duck who's obviously bent on revenge more than anything else.” http://cbsn.ws/3Staurc

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Former Attorney General Bill Barr called the newest federal grand jury subpoenas probing the Jan. 6, 202, Capitol riot "a significant event," one that suggests that government prosecutors are probing high-ranking Trump administration officials and allies, and even former President Donald Trump.

"This suggests to me that they're taking a hard look at the group at the top, including the president and the people immediately around him who were involved in this," Barr told CBS News' Catherine Herridge in an interview Friday.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bill-barr-jan-6-grand-jury-donald-trump/

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Reply LOL Barr: "He'll be a 78-year-old lame duck who's obviously bent on revenge" (Original post)
kpete Friday OP
MerryHolidays Friday #1
Chernevog Friday #13
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Justice matters. Friday #8
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erronis Friday #9
former9thward Friday #11
aeromanKC Friday #14
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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 08:48 PM

1. Barr: You were/are his principal enabler.

Don't try to deflect blame. This was/is ON YOU.

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Response to MerryHolidays (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 10:08 PM

13. Read a recent article by Frank Luntz

Who said that Trump will get the GOP nomination but will never be president again


ExclusiveWorldNorth AmericaUS politics
This was published 9 months ago

Donald Trump will never be president again, says renowned pollster Frank Luntz
By Latika Bourke
October 11, 2021 — 5.15am
Manchester: One of the world’s top pollsters Frank Luntz, who has advised multiple Republican presidents, says Donald Trump will never again lead the United States.

In an exclusive interview with The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age after he spoke at the Conservative Party conference in the UK, Luntz said even if Trump nominated and the Democrats ran a poor candidate, the 45th president would never again prevail at the ballot box.

US pollster Frank Luntz speaks to British cabinet minister Kwasi Kwarteng at the Conservative Party conference in Manchester.
US pollster Frank Luntz speaks to British cabinet minister Kwasi Kwarteng at the Conservative Party conference in Manchester. LATIKA BOURKE

“He will not win,” Luntz said. “If Trump runs again he will be nominated by the Republicans, but he will never be elected president because there are too many people who hate him.

“Trump is the most popular Republican by far, but he can’t win a general election because in the end politics is about persona as much as it is about policy, and his persona is unacceptable to too many people.”

Luntz has worked as a strategist and pollster for the Republican Party for almost 30 years and is regarded as one of the world’s most incisive commentators.


He says as a result of the Trump presidency, he is no longer a Republican – and he also no longer feels like a US citizen, saying he remains worried about whether America can be fixed.

“I look at my country as an outsider, not as an insider or a practitioner or even a citizen,” he said.

Luntz says his concerns began before Trump but have accelerated in the years since 2016.

“What’s different now that did not exist before is a sense of revenge and that is Donald Trump – he put that into the chemical mix,” he said.

“Resentment is ‘someone else is doing better than me’, revenge is ‘I want to bring them down’; we had resentment over the last 20-30 years, we did not have a desire for revenge, that desire came into being in 2016...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.smh.com.au/world/north-america/donald-trump-will-never-be-president-again-says-renowned-pollster-frank-luntz-20211009-p58yna.html


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Response to Chernevog (Reply #13)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 11:09 PM

21. Heard the same thing in 2016. n/t

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #21)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 11:40 PM

24. So therefore...

You believe that Donald Trump really won in 2020 and there was voter fraud? Do you believe that Donald Trump lost in 2020. The bottom line is all it takes is looking at the demographics. The Republican and the Trump base largely consists of Baby Boomers and older. They made up about 50.1% of the voting population in 2016.

In 2020 that demographic bracket fell to 44% of the voting population...

This age bracket voted about 67% for Trump and about 30% for Biden...

Let's look at another age bracket. Let's look at voters age 44 and younger. In 2020 they made up 50% of all voters

Let's look at another voting group. Voters aged 18 to 29. In 2016 44% of this age age group turned out to vote

In 2020 it was 55.1% of this age bracket that turned out to vote. Again this age group voted 68% for Biden and 30% for Trump.

This isn't all that unusual. In every presidential election since the age of voting was dropped to 18 if this voting block turned out at 53% or higher the Democrat won the election. If it was below 53% and down into the 40s and even high 30s the Republicans won. It's simply a matter of numbers and it doesn't freaking matter what we heard in 2016 all that matters is how many more voters in that age group turned out in 2020

This was literally the highest percentage of this age group turning out to vote in 50 years.

Let's look at what happens to the core Republican Base by 2024. Baby Boomers and older will make up about 37% of the voting population.

In 2020 the only age bracket that turned out to vote for Trump in double digits were the silent generation. Voters age 75 to 95. And anybody still alive that's older. In 2020 they only made up about 20 million voters. By 2024 it's going to be about 12 million. These people tend to die at a much higher rate than people aged 18 to 29 and there's no getting around that. This is something similar to what happened in 1980 and 1984. The Baby Boomers started displacing their parents' generation who were the World War II generation. And so on. The Baby Boomers started voting for Republicans at about 55% for Republicans and 45% for Democrats

Let's look at the two largest Generations that are living today. The first is Generation Z which makes up 77 million
of the US population. However the first of this generation turned 18 years old in 2015. Every year after that several million more Generation Z turned 18... this entire generation is still not 18 years old yet. However in 2020 Millennials whose number 74 million were all old enough to vote. The entire generation. Let's look at the baby boomers. They were previously the largest generation but as of today they make up 67 million of the entire population

What people should not be saying is this is what we heard in 2016. It's not 2016 and a lot of the people who voted for Donald Trump in 2016 were dead by 2020. This doesn't give me a lot of comfort because I'm a baby boomer and my time is up. Unless somebody is going to cast a ballot for me after I am pushing up daisies I'm not going to be voting for much longer.


The real absurdity in this situation is people who constantly repeat the line that this is what we heard in 2016. It's not 2016 as everybody has repeated ad infinitum in the past is that the Republican voting base is made up of older voters and the Democratic base is made up of younger voters

Frank Luntz did another article in 2016... the title of the article was Millennials are terrifyingly liberal... they far more liberal than any other previous generation... and another narrative is also being disproven. People get older they get more conservative. What this does not mean is that as people get older they are going to change parties from Democrat to Republican. What this actually means is that somebody who is 18 years old and is a registered Democrat will very likely vote Democratic for the rest of their life. What's going to happen is they are going to shift from being a progressive Bernie Sanders supporter to a more conservative centrist Democrats supporter... very few people shift from one party affiliation to another as they get older. They simply move to the more conservative wing of their own party. This has been proven in poll after poll after poll and exit poll after exit poll after exit poll...

Another aspect of what happened in 2020 is that all of these younger voters were not overwhelmingly ecstatic about Joe Biden... and they were voting against Trump because they overwhelmingly hate Donald Trump and they did not want him winning the election again.

If you look at what happened in Georgia you saw the largest increase in turnout of Voters aged 18 to 29 as compared to 2016. In 2016 only 32 percent of this age group voted in Georgia
In 2020 51% of them turned out to vote largely because of Stacey Abrams... this didn't happen only in Georgia. It happened in every state in the United States except Louisiana where the turnout remained static. He turned out increased anywhere from 15 points

Even Trump was aware of this because of the places that Republicans demanded a recount. Donald Trump demanded a recount of Dane County Wisconsin. That's where the University of Wisconsin is and that's where 50,000 college students are which is half of the population of that County

Maricopa and the audit. It is the home of the University of Arizona and it has five community college campuses and the average age of the population in that county is 27 years old. It's lower than the national average of 29

The best thing that Democrats can stop doing is stop repeating the tired old line of that's what we heard in 2016 if that narrative were true you have to admit that Donald Trump one in 2020 and there was massive voter fraud



"TOP GOP POLLSTER: YOUNG AMERICANS ARE TERRIFYINGLY LIBERAL


Americans 18 to 26 are extremely liberal, so liberal that it’s hard not to believe the U.S. is fundamentally changing.
Jon Schwarz
February 24 2016, 1:27 p.m....



https://theintercept.com/2016/02/24/top-gop-pollster-young-americans-are-terrifyingly-liberal/









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Response to Chernevog (Reply #24)

Sat Aug 6, 2022, 12:01 AM

28. Trump can win in 2024.

Trump can be president in 2025.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #21)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 11:52 PM

27. Another interesting thing has happened in Georgia

.In 2020 Joe Biden won more Evangelical voters in Georgia than Hillary Clinton won in 2016... Hillary Clinton won 5% of evangelicals in the state of Georgia in 2016. Joe Biden 15% of them. This amounted to Joe Biden winning 250,000 more Evangelical voters than Clinton did... are their ages were on average 18 to 29. 100,000 of them were young white evangelicals... let's move on to Michigan. In 2016 Donald Trump won 81% of the Evangelical vote in Michigan. In 2020 this dropped to 71%...

Nationally Donald Trump lost 4 million Evangelical votes to Joe Biden... nationally Trump won 81% of the Evangelical vote in 2016 and 76% in 2020.

Catholics... in 2016 Donald Trump won 52% of the Catholic vote. Hillary Clinton Walnut 44% and other Catholics voted third party. In 2020 the Catholic votes split almost right down the middle. Trump got about 50.1 percent...Biden got 49.9 percent...

That is something that we did not hear in 2016

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Response to Chernevog (Reply #13)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 11:51 PM

26. Frank Luntz looks "at my country as an outsider."????

Au contraire, Frankie. You were in the thick of things with your skill at deceptive word use. You are/were no "outsider."

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Response to MerryHolidays (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 11:02 PM

20. Absolutely

You helped him all most to the end, but you got out right before things blew up. You knew what he was up to and said nothing.

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Response to Rebl2 (Reply #20)

Sat Aug 6, 2022, 12:07 AM

29. Let's look at something Luntz did in 2021...

He starts working unofficially for the Biden Administration

He also tried to get access to the Trump Administration and tell them that if they don't start appealing to younger voters they're going to lose and they're going to keep losing. He starts going around the country talking to Young conservatives in focus groups about why climate change is real... he starts trying to convince the Trump Administration and the Republican party that they're going to have to start changing their messaging to address things like Climate Change and systemic racism he starts doing this in 2019 and everybody in the Trump Administration starts attacking him and the entire GOP starts doing the same. He is basically forced out of giving any advice to the Republican party and trump. He tells Trump in early 2020 that Trump cannot simply run a base election. He has to start expanding his base and he has to start attracting younger voters. Even young conservative voters look more like conservative Democrats and Republicans... a difference in the political positions of younger Republicans who are of college age and their elders is literally measured in double digits. 30 point difference between younger conservatives and older conservatives when it comes to climate change. About a 25-point difference when it comes to systemic...

He is basically cast Into the wilderness sometime in 2020...
Because he keeps telling Trump that Trump is going to lose the election unless he starts appealing to a larger amount of younger voters. Republicans didn't expect that they would win the majority of younger voters. They absolutely did not believe that Trump would lose this demographic group by as large as he did. By 34 points
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"GOP messaging guru Luntz advised Biden's Covid task force
Andy Slavitt, who helped the task force, said that of all the informal advisers, Luntz was “among the best.”...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2021/07/14/gop-luntz-covid-task-force-499736

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 08:52 PM

2. 'The day he's elected...'???

That ain't gonna happen, unless you know something we don't.

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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #2)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 09:27 PM

8. Maybe he knows republiQan legislatures will certify THEIR electors...

... no matter what voters of their state want and who a majority of them voted for?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 08:53 PM

3. Mike must be huffing glue.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 08:55 PM

4. Trump would never consider himself a lame duck.

If he were re-elected, he would launch a scorched earth campaign to get rid of the 22nd Amendment.

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Response to rsdsharp (Reply #4)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 10:39 PM

16. AND the 19th Amendment

AND the 15th Amendment...

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Response to Wednesdays (Reply #16)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 10:47 PM

17. Well if we're off on flights of fancy, how about the 13th?

I’m serious about the 22nd. He’s said dozens of times his first term shouldn’t count because people were mean to him. He thinks he should be president for life.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 09:06 PM

5. Don't Forget.. & America & the Planet

Would BE FUKKD/FUBARED!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 09:17 PM

6. Barr enabled this fascists Slobfather - he begged for the job

Fuck him - that is all!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 09:25 PM

7. I detest Barr.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 09:28 PM

9. How can we downvote a post? Get it off the DU front pages?

Nothing against you, kpete (who I admire.)

But sometimes topics pop up that are wasting bandwidth. And with billy-barr, that's a huge spread.

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Response to erronis (Reply #9)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 09:40 PM

11. By replying to the OP you put it at the top.

You its on you. I happen to like the topic so I am replying to you and putting it on the top again.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #11)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 10:20 PM

14. Thanks. I did not know that.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #11)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 11:30 PM

22. And I'm replying to you to put it on the bottom ...

Drat! Foiled again.

If trumPutin gets in office again, we can expect an all-out effort by the radicalized Republican party to make sure there is no future fair election. The federal government would be transformed completely.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 09:31 PM

10. Keep dividing the republiQan mob...

It no longer is a viable "party"

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 09:52 PM

12. "Bill who?"

"I never heard of him. I think he brought me a diet Coke once."

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 10:36 PM

15. I've been convinced for quite sometime ...

that his hair is fake.

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Response to Earth-shine (Reply #15)

Sat Aug 6, 2022, 02:43 AM

30. Uhhh YEAH .... definitely a toupee. ✔️

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 10:49 PM

18. Stroke out already, you F'n, murdering, orange TRAITOR**.

And all his enablers as well.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 10:51 PM

19. Recommended.

I still view him with contempt. But I appreciate his saying things to annoy Trump.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 11:33 PM

23. So he talks about the 8 years of Reagan

plus the 4 years of Bush reacting to the "excesses" of Democrats! WTF?? he's talking about Civil Rights, Voting Rights, Medicare, Medicaid, the EPA.. pretty much anything that's made America a more humane and decent country where the government works for the people and not just the rich.

Well, it's all coming back now, right Billy? Rich men should rule with Jesus plus nothing and that will all come true as long as trump doesn't run.. right Billy?

He makes me sick. Why do they even interview him. What he has to say does no one any good. The networks should use more discretion.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 11:46 PM

25. He was bent on revenge when he threw his hair in the ring...

...in 2015. Revenge is his modus operandi.

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