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Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 06:08 AM Aug 2022

What is WRONG with these people?



Just when you think they can't sink any lower... they prove that they can indeed be even more wretched that we knew them to be. Rotten to the absolute core.

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What is WRONG with these people? (Original Post) Soph0571 Aug 2022 OP
That Twitterer's interpretation of events is misleading. Which is a polite way of saying... mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2022 #1
Thanks for posting. Phoenix61 Aug 2022 #15
Thank you for posting this mountain grammy Aug 2022 #18
Thanks, Mahatmajeeves. Hortensis Aug 2022 #24
+1 Kaleva Aug 2022 #33
Murikkkin exceptionslism. ...nt 2naSalit Aug 2022 #2
if they could end the school lunch program for everyone without exception vlyons Aug 2022 #3
You're right. Their platform is HATE Novara Aug 2022 #5
Apt acronym Danascot Aug 2022 #6
Excellent! Prof. Toru Tanaka Aug 2022 #11
They are mentally ill. cutroot Aug 2022 #4
No. Authoritarians. Selfishly greedy authoritarians. n/t Justice matters. Aug 2022 #20
I would agree with you if they hadn't killed and injured innocent people cutroot Aug 2022 #22
Oh, I was not saying that about the magat foot soldiers. Justice matters. Aug 2022 #28
Teachers, students, and visiting parents: Watch what you say and do Backseat Driver Aug 2022 #7
They are not 'christians' by a long shot. spanone Aug 2022 #8
+ 1,000 nt pazzyanne Aug 2022 #14
These a**holes are doing everything they can to drive real christians out of their churches. sop Aug 2022 #9
It's akin to the "Know Nothing" party in the 1800's. And no, they are not Christ-like. Evolve Dammit Aug 2022 #10
two things. Baitball Blogger Aug 2022 #12
Of course, they must be non-Christians. Mariana Aug 2022 #25
Good Christians are better than bad Christians. Baitball Blogger Aug 2022 #26
I think you misunderstood the post. Elessar Zappa Aug 2022 #29
Blame the DownriverDem Aug 2022 #13
I don't think there's ever a bottom to how low can they go. COL Mustard Aug 2022 #16
I'll never understand why we don't just feed the kids. dawg Aug 2022 #17
Yes! All kids! Breakfast & lunch! CrispyQ Aug 2022 #19
Circumstances when I was a kid I had to have free lunch and breakfast hydrolastic Aug 2022 #31
Wasn't there a repub back in W's time who said CrispyQ Aug 2022 #21
Evil, greed and stupidity Mysterian Aug 2022 #23
They won't be happy till they screw over... lame54 Aug 2022 #27
That's not American Christianity; that's Republican Talibangelism Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2022 #30
It isn't just Fox viewers that are gullible. This tweet is inaccurate. Kaleva Aug 2022 #32
Thanks. mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2022 #34
Fighting confirmation bias is a daily struggle Kaleva Aug 2022 #37
To answer your question, they are religiously insane. Emile Aug 2022 #35
Did you fact check the tweet? Kaleva Aug 2022 #36
No, but I did fact check my 92 year old Emile Aug 2022 #38
Do you agree that the tweet in the OP is false info? Kaleva Aug 2022 #39

mahatmakanejeeves

(68,793 posts)
1. That Twitterer's interpretation of events is misleading. Which is a polite way of saying...
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 06:31 AM
Aug 2022

Here's what the issue is. There was a recent Supreme Court decision regarding Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The USDA is arguing that it can extend that decision to apply to Title IX as well. The group is twenty Republican attorneys general is saying, no, you can't, at least not the way that the Department of Education of going about it.

From the second linked article:

The question is going to be whether the courts read Title IX the same way they read Title VII. If they do, or if they more to the point, courts read Title IX as permitting federal agencies like the Department of Education, to understand “because of sex” to include sexual orientation, and gender identity, if courts decide Title IX can withstand or can include that interpretation, then anything inconsistent with the federal law on that point will be illegal and will be invalid.

To go from that to "Republican attorneys general want to starve LGBT kids" is quite the stretch.

Republican attorneys general sue federal government over LGBTQ school meal guidance

The attorneys general allege that the Agriculture Department’s new directive is based on a “misreading” of a Supreme Court ruling.

July 27, 2022, 12:42 PM EDT
By The Associated Press

More than 20 Republican attorneys general filed a lawsuit Tuesday against President Joe Biden’s administration over a Department of Agriculture school meal program that prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity.

The challenge, led by Tennessee Attorney General Herbert Slatery, claims that the federal government is attempting to force states and schools to follow anti-discrimination requirements that “misconstrue the law.”

{snip}

In May, the USDA announced that it would include discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity as a violation of Title IX, the sweeping 1972 law that bars sex-based discrimination in “any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.” The directive requires states to review allegations of discrimination based on gender identity and sexual orientation, as well as update their policies and signage.

{snip}

Education

A Florida law professor breaks down the state's battle with the federal government over Title IX

WUSF Public Media - WUSF 89.7 | By Cathy Carter
Published August 1, 2022 at 5:00 AM EDT

Recently released federal guidelines would extend protections under the law to include schools’ “obligations not to discriminate based on sex stereotypes, sex characteristics, pregnancy or related conditions, sexual orientation and gender identity.”
Florida's education commissioner is telling school districts not to comply with federal guidelines concerning gender and sexual orientation.


WUSF's Cathy Carter recently spoke with Stetson University law professor Louis Virelli, about the state and federal showdown over the interpretation of Title IX, which prohibits discrimination in education.

Professor, the commissioner said federal guidelines aimed at preventing discrimination against students based on such things as gender identity would “vastly expand the application” of Title IX.

Well, a little bit of background on why this happened. So, Title VII is a federal statute that involves discrimination in employment and the Supreme Court recently read the language in Title VII, the employment discrimination statute that says you may not discriminate because of sex, to include sexual orientation and gender identity. Once the Supreme Court said that the language “of sex” in Title VII included sexual orientation and gender identity, the federal government then interpreted Title IX to mean the same thing. The federal government announced that it was going to do this under new guidelines. It did not pass a regulation saying sexual discrimination in education includes discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity, but it did say we will start to read the statute that way. That is an important announcement. Even though it is not itself a statement of law, it describes how the federal government is going to view something that is law, Title IX. That's why we see this cascading series of events, because when the federal government understands the statute to mean something, it acts as if the statute says that. That's what interpretation is. And that's what the federal government is doing. That federal law, when it is inconsistent with state law, wins. That's because the US Constitution says it does, in Article Six of the US Constitution. It is what we call the Supremacy Clause. It says that federal law is supreme. And what that means is when federal law and state law are in conflict with each other, the federal law wins.

So where do you think this matter is headed? Are Florida and other states for that matter, headed to the courts over this issue?

Yes, failing to comply with federal guidelines, when they are a viable interpretation of a federal statute, which is law, will be illegal. The question is going to be whether the courts read Title IX the same way they read Title VII. If they do, or if they more to the point, courts read Title IX as permitting federal agencies like the Department of Education, to understand “because of sex” to include sexual orientation, and gender identity, if courts decide Title IX can withstand or can include that interpretation, then anything inconsistent with the federal law on that point will be illegal and will be invalid.

{snip}

Phoenix61

(18,769 posts)
15. Thanks for posting.
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 08:48 AM
Aug 2022

The reality is they are willing to starve all the kids for the “privilege” of starving LGBTQ+ kids. They truly are deplorables.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
24. Thanks, Mahatmajeeves.
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 12:35 PM
Aug 2022
GOP-controlled states sue over LGBT- inclusive policy to get school lunch funds
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3575160-gop-controlled-states-sue-over-lgbt-inclusive-school-lunch-fund-policy/

States are suing over a policy that ties school lunch funding to conforming to LGBTQ+ protections. A dishonest RW tweet could claim Democrats want to deny lunch to school children in states that don't meet LBGTQ requirements.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
3. if they could end the school lunch program for everyone without exception
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 07:06 AM
Aug 2022

That's what they really want. They hate entitlements and safety net programs, because they are basically selfish and hate tax dollars going to anyone but themselves. They also hate LGBTs.

hate hate hate Why don't we just label them the Selfish Hate Party?

cutroot

(1,024 posts)
22. I would agree with you if they hadn't killed and injured innocent people
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 12:03 PM
Aug 2022

The line is clearly crossed when they commit an armed insurrection

Justice matters.

(9,553 posts)
28. Oh, I was not saying that about the magat foot soldiers.
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 02:38 PM
Aug 2022

They are the greedy authoritarian 'leadership' ignorant useful idiots, and as a result, they got punished with jail time, a criminal record, and/or fines.

They let themselves get brainwashed by faux entertainment and hate radio day in, day out, for decades.

Backseat Driver

(4,671 posts)
7. Teachers, students, and visiting parents: Watch what you say and do
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 07:54 AM
Aug 2022

around those treacherous "lunch ladies" that pass out the breakfasts and pizza; they've recently had their personal radars calibrated to spot and report via their federal hotline.

Baitball Blogger

(51,895 posts)
12. two things.
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 08:31 AM
Aug 2022

We should call it Anglo-American Christianity so we don't lump latinos and other people of faith into this political movement.

And, they are not Christians. Period.

Baitball Blogger

(51,895 posts)
26. Good Christians are better than bad Christians.
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 01:48 PM
Aug 2022

Can't extrapolate more than that. Technically, the only thing you need to do to call yourself a Christian is to believe that JC died for your sins. The goodness part and the treat people respectfully part is a cultural thing. In Panama there was no question that those with wealth should help the poor. In the US, not so much among Anglo conservatives.

COL Mustard

(8,062 posts)
16. I don't think there's ever a bottom to how low can they go.
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 09:04 AM
Aug 2022

This is Taliban, American style. I'm waiting for them to start rounding up the LGBT+ kids and sending them to re-education camps.

dawg

(10,777 posts)
17. I'll never understand why we don't just feed the kids.
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 09:08 AM
Aug 2022

Rich kids, poor kids, gay kids, straight kids, black kids, white kids .... all the kids.

No forms to fill out, no eligibility criteria, no lunch money to track, no giving the lunch lady your number, no government bureaucrats to administer the program.

Just feed the kids who come to school. Everything else is just pettiness and waste.

CrispyQ

(40,804 posts)
19. Yes! All kids! Breakfast & lunch!
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 10:40 AM
Aug 2022

I know many are sour on Michael Moore, but his movie, "Where to Invade Next" is wonderful & the segment on France & school lunches was one of my faves.

hydrolastic

(544 posts)
31. Circumstances when I was a kid I had to have free lunch and breakfast
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 02:24 AM
Aug 2022

I would go to bed hungry knowing I would eat in the morning. I would get two bowls of cereal and use the one milk for the second one. a lot of time it was the only food I ate. I agree feed them all. No more issue.

CrispyQ

(40,804 posts)
21. Wasn't there a repub back in W's time who said
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 10:44 AM
Aug 2022

low income kids should do janitorial work to pay for their lunch? Pretty sure I remember that correctly. How many of these same repub politicians get extravagant martini lunches paid for by K street lobbyists?

Kaleva

(40,281 posts)
32. It isn't just Fox viewers that are gullible. This tweet is inaccurate.
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 06:57 AM
Aug 2022

I'm going to bookmark this and have it ready for anyone who posts about Fox viewers falling for lies or misinformation as an example of how confirmation bias affects people across the political spectrum.

mahatmakanejeeves

(68,793 posts)
34. Thanks.
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 07:25 AM
Aug 2022

Lawsuits involving federal regulations or guidance can never be reduced to Hitler v. Little Bo Peep, no matter how hard the Twitterverse tries to force the issue.

Lawsuits filed over federal regulations or guidance generally deal with some arcane issue buried deep with the regulation. A regulation or guidance product might go on for 235 paragraphs, and there's a comma in the 89th paragraph that is in dispute. One side holds that because the comma is there, one interpretation is correct. The other side holds that because the commas is there, a different interpretation is correct. The disagreement cannot be resolved, and here comes the lawsuit.

Here are links to earlier threads at DU about this suit.

But first, the standard disclaimer: IANAL

Thu Jul 28, 2022: Republican AGs Sue USDA Because Food Assistance Programs Can't Discriminate Against LGBTQ Recipients

There's a thread about this in GD too. I've included some Virginia-specific content in this group.

Thu Jul 28, 2022: Ricketts, AG fight federal bid to ban LGBTQ discrimination in food programs

Of course Jason Miyares signed it.

Republican AGs Sue USDA Because Food Assistance Programs Can’t Discriminate Against LGBTQ Recients

July 28, 2022

The Texas Tribune reports:

Ken Paxton and more than 20 other attorneys general are challenging the federal Food and Nutrition Service’s new policy that recipients of food assistance funds update their nondiscrimination policies to protect LGBTQ people.

Paxton and his counterparts claim the guidance issued by the USDA is “unlawful” because states were not consulted and did not have an opportunity to provide feedback, in accordance with the Administrative Procedure Act.

They also argue that the USDA is misinterpreting the Supreme Court case Bostock v. Clayton County, which extended sexual discrimination in the workplace to include discrimination based on gender identity or sexual orientation.

Read the full article.

Texas suing USDA over requirement to add LGBTQ protections to nutrition programs’ nondiscrimination policies

The USDA Food and Nutrition Service announced in May that it would expand its definition of sexual discrimination to include gender identity and sexual orientation. Paxton and other attorneys general are suing in response.

BY ARIANA PEREZ-CASTELLS JULY 26, 2022 8 PM CENTRAL

{snip}

Earlier this month, Paxton and others sent a letter to President Joe Biden arguing against the guidance issued by the USDA and asking him to withdraw it.

{snip}

Kaleva

(40,281 posts)
37. Fighting confirmation bias is a daily struggle
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 08:10 AM
Aug 2022

Some make the effort. This OP, the recs and many of the comments show that many don't make the effort.

Emile

(41,369 posts)
35. To answer your question, they are religiously insane.
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 07:30 AM
Aug 2022

They think the bible teaches them people are not born that way.

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