I had this thought about 2024 and it scares me because I want Joe and Kamala to run again.

[Samrob]

I do believe that there are far too many voters out there, including among some Dems, who would not mind voting for Joe again if he runs but who are frightened that he would not make it trough a second term and Kamala would be President.

Don't attack me for that thought. I would love to see Kamala as President. But I overheard a conversation between to friends that expressed that concern and shocked me to the bone. We were all HRC ardent supporters in 2016 and Biden/Harris supporters in 2020. I could not resist butting into the conversation to express my disappointment that they felt that way about VP Harris. The conversation did not go well from there. However, I learned from them that they would vote for a Biden/Harris ticket again but that they knew many people who would not vote that ticket again because of the Harris issue which they felt would lose us the Presidency in 2024 should Biden run again.

I'm taking a deep breath...but I am afraid that this is an unspoken concern by many on our side. Also wondering if that concern isn't the genesis of the new third party being formed by anti-Trumpers?

[claudette]

1. Of course

I would vote for a Biden/Harris ticket and pray that President Biden would stay healthy and finish a second term. Kamala Harris is great as VP but I truly don’t think she is as qualified as Hillary is/was to be President. Or even as qualified as Elizabeth Warren. But she is a million times better than any Republican!!!

[PatSeg]

50. Yes, I agree

Kamala Harris was my first choice for VP pick during the campaign, but at this point I don't see her as President, primarily because of her lack of experience. Of course, that could change in the next two years, but I don't know if a lot of voters will agree. I suppose it could depend on how much responsibility Biden gives her and how much public exposure she gets.

[MrsCoffee]

2. Oh dear. FUD on the eve of great achievement.

[claudette]

6. What is

FUD?

[MrsCoffee]

7. Fear, uncertainty and doubt.

[Fullduplexxx]

35. Democrats' 3 staples

[claudette]

37. Thanks

[Mike Nelson]

3. I think...

... true... I'm in California, and Harris has been turned into something she never was... she had an image as a tough, smart, and effective prosecutor... she was even seen as a counter to the "liberal" Democrat! The media has revised her completely... of course, the FOX crowd, but there hasn't been an alternate... I'm not sure what the problem is... there is still time to change this impression.

[PatSeg]

51. Yeah, I can't figure out what the problem is either

When we get past the mid-term elections, perhaps the White House needs to start promoting her more. Right now, she is rarely ever in the news and when we see her, she often just looks like part of a backdrop for the President. She was really impressive as a senator, but Vice President is more of a supportive role for the President and the person in that office rarely gets to shine.

I can understand the reluctance of many people to accept the position. I remember Biden did so on certain conditions, but even he was usually diminished in the role. It can be a rough transition for many people.

[Walleye]

4. When Hillary lost I was convinced I would never see a woman as president. Any woman

I still believe that mostly. It’s not Kamala herself that is the issue

[Lonestarblue]

10. I think that's a large part of the problem.

Too many people just think women are not tough enough or strong enough to be effective. And yet we have the model of Nancy Pelosi who runs circles around most of the men in Congress—and stands up to men like Sec. Blinken who did not want her to go to Taiwan.

[aeromanKC]

12. Unfair criticism for a pioneer

It is so refreshing seeing her in historical situations such as casting the deciding vote yesterday. It makes you feel proud to be an American.

[Walleye]

14. It's a long deeply held attitude. It can't be argued away with logic

People will always find an excuse for not voting for the woman. They will never state the real reason

[MrsCoffee]

19. Yet the last woman who ran won the popular vote by millions of votes.

[Walleye]

21. That is what is so disappointing and discouraging about the whole thing, just when we think

We have won, we’ve lost. As in, not so fast, little lady. You getting mighty uppity

[MrsCoffee]

27. Just saying, it can be argued away logically.

Because it happened. More people voted for a woman.

There have only been five instances in this country when the popular vote winner lost the EC. Three of those were in the 1800s.

The other two were Gore and Clinton.

Hillary proved that people WILL vote for a woman.

Now if you want to talk about the EC, that’s a whole subject of its own that has nothing to do with gender.

[Walleye]

30. I know, we managed to go through the whole 20th century without having popular and the EC at odds

Then we get Bush, whose brother was the governor of the very state he needed to win, and he won it by 500 votes?. Once they figured out they could do that, they didn’t need to get the majority of the people on their side anymore

[Demsrule86]

44. She won the popular vote but lose key states in the electoral college...that is not a win for us.

We have to win the electoral college.

[mopinko]

28. and she didnt serve because enough dems bought the bs.

[dwayneb]

56. Exactly, but

Kamala Harris is no Hillary Clinton. This is far more about experience, leadership skills and personality than gender.

Regardless it is very likely that Biden will be running in 2024 the economy will improve and he will easily win, especially if he is running against Donald Trump.

[RicROC]

20. yes, and we also have Cori Bush, Katie Porter, AOC, etc

which scares them to have such smart, strong, outspoken women in influential offices.

(unless they consider Sarah Palin, Marjorie Taylor Greene (Empty Greene), etc...they think these kooks can do no wrong)

[Walleye]

31. I do think we will win eventually, I just don't think I'll be around to see it

[patricia92243]

8. Sad to say, but I agree with them.

[Generic Brad]

9. Just what is the Harris issue?

Is that code for something? I have no clue what the Harris issue is.

[betsuni]

16. Conspiracy theories that she put everyone in jail in California.

Democrats are the REAL racists, same as they did with Hillary and Biden and all Democrats.

[gab13by13]

11. Talking about whether President Biden and

VP Harris will run again in 2024 is a right wing talking point meant to shed doubt on both of them.

[betsuni]

13. Because of the conspiracy theory bullshit propaganda about Harris the moment she ran for president

It was all there on Reddit, all ready to go. But you know this. "our side"

What is wrong with Harris? Say it.

[Walleye]

15. The hatred of women has become even more popular

[betsuni]

33. Confirmed by Elizabeth Warren's run for president.

Progressive hero that every "progressive" swore they would've voted for if she'd run for president, then when she did they hated her.

[Walleye]

34. Yes, that is an excellent example. I remember the snake emojis.

[hlthe2b]

36. Apparently, we aren't allowed to discuss the misogyny that is overwhelming on the RW side, but

occasionally seeps into our side as well... The facts are the facts even if this post is alerted.

[Demsrule86]

43. It is not mysogeny if it is true. I have doubts about any woman winning the presidency.

Hillary was the most intelligent, qualified woman on the planet in my opinion and she lost to a dumb ass...Donald Trump. And we need to win the next two elections to safeguard our Republic and womans' right to their own body...thus no one wants to take a risk. I understand this and I regret it at the same time if that makes any sense.

[hlthe2b]

45. What is behind those doubts that lost Hillary the Presidency and is directed toward every other

competent articulate intelligent successful and yes very Presidential woman politician we have in contention? Damned right misogyny is a big piece of it. Time to pull the blinders off. It occurs on our side too.

[Demsrule86]

46. Hillary was one of the most competent women on the planet...she would have made a great

president. However, she won the popular vote but lost key states...I question at this time, can any woman win? I don't know the answer to that. Right now the only woman I can see possibly winning would be Governor Whitmar in Michigan...as she can possibly win the must-have rust-belt states.

[arlyellowdog]

17. It's January 2020 and I'm resigned

I realize Trump is going to get a second term…..Even worse, it’s April 2016 and my husband and I go to dinner with my daughter to celebrate the, then for certain, first woman President about to win the New York primary. Just too much time and we have our candidates for now. (My husband died suddenly that night so that kind of occupies my head).

[867-5309.]

18. We saw Hillary with 3 million more popular votes and Obama elected twice

So why do they your friends feel Harris would sink the ticket?

[mdelaguna]

23. I love her. However...

I don’t think she has the charisma and oration skills of Obama nor the experience and gravitas of Hillary. They are exceptional. That said Kamala is superior to any tool the Rs would run by every measure that should count. I’d vote for her no q but worry about the press mill (horse race) and fickle voter.

[867-5309.]

25. I did a thread here expressing my desire to see Kamala as president

and there was a surprisingly long line of 'aint gonna happen' replies. You're not alone, I suppose.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16902382

[betsuni]

26. She's charismatic, has oration skills, attractive, extremely intelligent.

[Walleye]

32. Really. We beat them by 7 million votes with this ticket, what's the problem

[Demsrule86]

42. Some doubt whether any woman can win the presidency at this time. And I like VP Harris but

she did not do well in the primary which makes some doubt whether she can win a General. I am on the fence. However, there is no question that a President Biden/VP Harris ticket is the best one for us...as incumbents have great political value...only three incumbents have lost in 90 years.

[867-5309.]

47. A woman can definitely win, imo, but Hillary was unique

Decades of a death of a thousand cuts - right wing attacks.

Harris' performance in the primary is a concern. But remember Joe was dismal in his early runs before he had the stature of serving as veep.

[gab13by13]

22. Whether President Biden and VP Harris should run again in 2024

is a right wing talking point, right wing propaganda, used to cast doubt on both of them. I have been alerted on for questioning the Democratic Party's policy of spending money getting the most radical Magat the nomination. What is going on here is far worse.

This is shameful, right after Democrats get another huge legislative victory for the people, we are questioning Biden and Harris, SMFH.

[oldsoftie]

24. This is a discussion site. You shouldn't be afraid to start one!

Everyone here would vote for the current ticket or a Harris/X ticket. But DU voters aren't who wins elections. And TODAY; the VPs numbers aren't that good. She didnt do well during the primaries. IMO, Biden WONT run again. He's far too smart to tell us that NOW; it would hamstring everything moving forward. He's simply going to be too old. I believe there will be a Democratic primary & someone else will be the nominee. Are there sexists in the party? Sure. But few & far between. Its not always about are or sex.
And thats the way things look TODAY. A whole LOT can change between now and 2024 & the VP's numbers could be double what they are now.

[Demsrule86]

41. Biden has said he will run...I suggest we take him at his word...and anyone who primaries

Joe Biden or any sitting president has lost my vote in any future primary. Every time, this happens we lose the General.

[867-5309.]

48. If Joe runs I'd be shocked if he has a meaningful challenger

Maybe a Nina Turner or someone like that.

[oldsoftie]

54. Like I said, no way would he say otherwise this early.

I'm sorry, but a lot of people are going to be concerned about an 82 yr old taking office. We often have discussions about age limits HERE; after seeing how some members of Congress are at advanced age
McCains age was an issue when he was "only" 72!
Ignoring it is a mistake. I'll put my 5 bucks down that there WILL be a primary of some sort. As things stand TODAY anyway. I don't know what the future holds; none of us do. My opinions are only based on my assessment of current events. They can change drastically.

[Demsrule86]

55. You will Lose That bet.

[gab13by13]

29. I posted a thread last night,

it was about how the MSM is the enemy of the Democratic Party because it controls the narrative. I was assured by a poster that the people at DU do get it. This thread proves that they in fact do not get it.

[dwayneb]

52. Not following your comment

What's does main stream media have to do with the topic of Biden/Harris? Agree that all sensationalist media is unhealthy but don't understand the connection here.

[marmar]

39. No attack. Perfectly legitimate concern.

I know more than a few Biden voters who absolutely don't want him to run again. Some because they're worried he won't make it through a second term, and a few who (wrongly) think his cognitive ability has diminished.

It's a real concern.

[Demsrule86]

40. That is the best outcome...incumbents have a huge advantage which is why only three have

lost in 90 years.

[dwayneb]

53. True - but there are some considerations this time

Agree that Biden is the best bet for Democrats to win in 2024.

Since 1900 the following Presidents lost their bid at re-election, and a short description of why:

Herbert Hoover 1932 (Republican) Scapegoat for the Depression
Gerald Ford 1976 (Republican) Poor economy, the fall of South Vietnam and Saturday Night Live
Jimmy Carter 1980 (Democrat) Short recession and the hostage-taking of U.S. embassy staff in Iran
George HW Bush 1992 (Republican) Faltering economy, violence in inner cities, high deficit spending
Donald Trump 2020 (Republican) We all know why

The worrisome thing is that every one of them except sewer dweller Trump lost because the public perceived a poor economy and blamed the incumbent.

The good news is that this bump in the road for our economy is happening early in Biden's term. If it comes roaring back in the last two years he will easily win re-election. If not he may have a bigger struggle.

[dwayneb]

49. Why would anyone "attack" you for an opinion?

It's certainly possible that Biden could have health issues or die before he completes a second term.

Harris would not prevent me from voting for a Biden/Harris ticket, but she's no Hillary Clinton, that's for sure. We'd be OK if that were to come to pass, but she has not emerged as the great mobilizing leader that we need. We need to keep looking for "the One".