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Biophilic

(3,846 posts)
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 02:56 PM Aug 2022

They are NOT mentally ill. But what are they? What do you call them?

More and more I keep seeing and hearing people referring to people they disagree with or who are doing things they think are crazy as mentally ill. I do it myself. But mostly they aren't mentally ill and we do a real disservice to those that are mentally ill when we use that label indiscriminately. But I don't know what else to call them. The things they do are "crazy" in my eyes and I can't for the life of me figure out why any sane person would do or say those things. I honestly don't know what else to call them. Bully, jerk, stupid, etc just don't work. Those words don't cover the degree of what I think of as crazy or worse.

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They are NOT mentally ill. But what are they? What do you call them? (Original Post) Biophilic Aug 2022 OP
Assholes. RockRaven Aug 2022 #1
Agreed, but... Biophilic Aug 2022 #16
They have personality disorders. Elessar Zappa Aug 2022 #2
Personality disorders are mental illnesses, according to DSM-5. SheltieLover Aug 2022 #9
Personality disorders can't be medicated or treated Merlot Aug 2022 #22
But they still fall under the category as mental illness, as does autism. SheltieLover Aug 2022 #28
Agree they are most definitely mental illnesses and are classified as such. Meowmee Aug 2022 #66
Thx. Mind you, I'm not saying mental illness is underlyiing all the craziness we are seeing. SheltieLover Aug 2022 #71
Yes neither am I Meowmee Aug 2022 #78
This is incorrect blogslug Aug 2022 #37
Not even remotely correct. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2022 #63
They have issues. multigraincracker Aug 2022 #3
Yes, but they are giving me issues and I don't like it. Sometimes I'm beginning to sound like them. Biophilic Aug 2022 #52
Deluded. milestogo Aug 2022 #4
I sort of feel sorry for deluded people. I feel like they are lost and don't even know it. Biophilic Aug 2022 #36
In today's world, we need a new term Mr.Bill Aug 2022 #5
I like this, "Trumped", but it's almost too nice. Yeah, I'm being difficult because Biophilic Aug 2022 #17
Deranged cult followers. MontanaMama Aug 2022 #6
Cultist is a good word. Merlot Aug 2022 #24
Thanks, the more I think about it the more I also believe that calling them mentally ill is wrong. Biophilic Aug 2022 #40
Disconnected from reality. cloudbase Aug 2022 #7
Except they insist that I participate in their reality with them and yes, Biophilic Aug 2022 #21
So.. inthewind21 Aug 2022 #59
Psychologically disturbed! MyMission Aug 2022 #8
I would call them Evil DBoon Aug 2022 #10
Yes, calling them evil does sort of cover them all and they are. Biophilic Aug 2022 #18
Evil is intentional DBoon Aug 2022 #23
They might even know they are spouting lies treestar Aug 2022 #73
Some of them are mentally ill. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #11
Does feel that way doesn't it, Abnormal Psych 101. Just wish the answers were as easy Biophilic Aug 2022 #51
I know, I feel the same way. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #54
This and so are their followers Meowmee Aug 2022 #70
Yes the cult members are mentally ill as well. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #76
Thanks 😀 Meowmee Aug 2022 #79
Yes fascism, it is a collective psychosis, fueled by lies, hatred and fear. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #80
JHB nailed it: inFOXicated Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2022 #12
Thanks, yeah, I like that. Says so much. Biophilic Aug 2022 #25
I've known a fair number of people over the years grumpyduck Aug 2022 #13
Interesting way to say it, 'with RW media stoking them, they're in heaven'. Biophilic Aug 2022 #41
I've said for a while that they just flipped out underpants Aug 2022 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author traitorsgalore Aug 2022 #15
Yes, I agree, but I really hate calling them mentall ill, because it seems to be self-induced Biophilic Aug 2022 #27
Are cult susceptible people mentally ill? HAB911 Aug 2022 #19
Well inthewind21 Aug 2022 #60
LOL, the spectrum is so broad HAB911 Aug 2022 #74
Irrational. tblue37 Aug 2022 #20
That's close. Probably pretty descriptive. nt LAS14 Aug 2022 #32
Yes, irrational does cover it, doesn't it. Biophilic Aug 2022 #42
Death cult members Nevilledog Aug 2022 #26
Unfortunately, it's mine and your death they want. What did we ever do to anyone of them? Biophilic Aug 2022 #30
No, they don't care when their own die too. See: COVID-19 Nevilledog Aug 2022 #35
And that's one of the weird parts I just don't get even taking into account their religious beliefs. Biophilic Aug 2022 #44
The cruelty is the point. Nevilledog Aug 2022 #46
Evil??? nt LAS14 Aug 2022 #29
Yeah, I'm leaning towards evil also. Biophilic Aug 2022 #33
Odious crud Aug 2022 #31
Soul-sick, immature, unenlightened. meadowlander Aug 2022 #34
Soul-sick, yes they truly are. Biophilic Aug 2022 #45
I think of Jonestown. frogmarch Aug 2022 #38
Brainwashed stupid assholes? Brainfodder Aug 2022 #39
Now those words roll off my tongue and leave me feeling self satisfied even if a bit embarrassed. Biophilic Aug 2022 #47
Fucked up ismnotwasm Aug 2022 #43
Bless you, those are perfect. I feel better just reading your words. Biophilic Aug 2022 #48
They are authoritarians and fascists iemanja Aug 2022 #49
Evil will do, recognizing its limits, but 4dog Aug 2022 #50
Perhaps because most of us have been taught since birth to not see so many things. Biophilic Aug 2022 #55
Is it inthewind21 Aug 2022 #64
No I don't think it is but that is a message Biophilic Aug 2022 #67
Irrational, willfully ignorant, cruel, harmful, etc WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2022 #53
QAnon Emile Aug 2022 #56
Empathy to people we like is low effort Sympthsical Aug 2022 #57
You could look at it this way Jilly_in_VA Aug 2022 #58
Thanks Biophilic Aug 2022 #68
Stupid. (n/t) Iggo Aug 2022 #61
Gullible. Mariana Aug 2022 #62
Basic. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2022 #65
Interesting thoughts. Hmmm... Biophilic Aug 2022 #69
Sorry, but I'm sticking with "nut jobs" BannonsLiver Aug 2022 #72
Emotionally exhausted and morally bankrupt Angleae Aug 2022 #75
Brainwashed Grolph_ Aug 2022 #77
Pathological,... Ported_Maryjoseph Jan 2023 #81

Elessar Zappa

(14,280 posts)
2. They have personality disorders.
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 02:59 PM
Aug 2022

Sociopathy, psychopathy, narcissism, etc. It’s not the same as mental illness.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
22. Personality disorders can't be medicated or treated
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 03:20 PM
Aug 2022

No amount of therapy will help.

DSM also considers ADHD a mental illness, and used to consider homosexuality a mental illness.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
63. Not even remotely correct.
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 05:03 PM
Aug 2022

I don't know you, but I suspect you are not qualified to diagnose personality disorders in a clinic, much less remotely... in millions of people you've never met.

But hey, I could be wrong. You might want to get on the horn with the American Psychiatric Association. If their figures on the prevalence of individual personality disorders (around 2-8%) are low, I imagine they'd want to hear about it.

Biophilic

(3,846 posts)
36. I sort of feel sorry for deluded people. I feel like they are lost and don't even know it.
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 03:32 PM
Aug 2022

Too gentle a term for people who want to destroy my country and probably kill me and mine.

Biophilic

(3,846 posts)
17. I like this, "Trumped", but it's almost too nice. Yeah, I'm being difficult because
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 03:16 PM
Aug 2022

I'm frustrated by them. I want them all to just go away. Ok, back to reality.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
24. Cultist is a good word.
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 03:22 PM
Aug 2022

Some people do come back to reality from cults.

I also have felt that calling them mentally ill doesn't help matters. Mentally ill people have a host of issues to deal with.

Biophilic

(3,846 posts)
40. Thanks, the more I think about it the more I also believe that calling them mentally ill is wrong.
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 03:35 PM
Aug 2022

It gives evil people an out and does damage to those with real, non-self inflicted mental illness. I just wish "cultist" sounded harsher or something. I so want to stand on the street corner and yell at them. Does that make me mentally ill or clearly sane?

Biophilic

(3,846 posts)
21. Except they insist that I participate in their reality with them and yes,
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 03:20 PM
Aug 2022

it's an evil reality. Unless I want to stay in bed and never come out, not that won't work either. One way or another I have to co-exist with them and their warped and f'd up thinking.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
59. So..
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 04:44 PM
Aug 2022

They live in the same country, the don't live in your house. Same as murderers, gangs, rapists, child molesters, general crooks, liars, etc. No one can force you to participate in anything.

MyMission

(1,861 posts)
8. Psychologically disturbed!
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 03:06 PM
Aug 2022

I just saw West side story, and the song popped into my head when I saw your post.
Seems appropriate.


treestar

(82,383 posts)
73. They might even know they are spouting lies
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 05:38 PM
Aug 2022

they are doing it to "own the libs." They don't care what happens to the country, they elected TFG to own the libs. If that's their motivation, it may not be mental illness. But it would be a negative trait of personality.

Irish_Dem

(50,224 posts)
11. Some of them are mentally ill.
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 03:11 PM
Aug 2022

For example, Trump and many of his helpers are classic sociopaths.
If their lips are moving they are lying to manipulate others to get what they want.

They know they are lying, but other people are just suckers and losers and deserve what they get.
Trump and his ilk believe they are special, deserving and owed a good life.

Their goal is power and money, but no amount will ever fill the holes in their souls.
So they keep going and won't stop until someone stops them.

Some of their followers actually believe the lies despite considerable evidence to the contrary.
To the point they are delusional. They are no longer in touch with reality. They will break the law and commit violence for Trump. It is like a cult, and the cult followers are mentally ill.

Some of our leaders who want money and power also crave unlimited adoration and attention.
These are the narcissists. And some of the followers are the same.

I could go on and on but you get the drift.

I used to talk just about politics but now politics has turned into Abnormal Psych 101.

Biophilic

(3,846 posts)
51. Does feel that way doesn't it, Abnormal Psych 101. Just wish the answers were as easy
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 03:52 PM
Aug 2022

today as they seemed to be 50 some years ago. Otherwise, your post is far too sensible and intelligent for where my brain is this afternoon. But it's always a good thing to listen to an adult, even when I want to be a belligerent child. I'm angry and frustrated with having few ways to take that angry and frustration out. I'll be better tomorrow, in the mean time I've got a few new names to call those that are trying to tear my country apart.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
70. This and so are their followers
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 05:23 PM
Aug 2022

People who join a cult are mentally ill on some level. I call what is going in in this country currently a combo of fascism, narcissism, stupidity and a form of mass insanity.

Irish_Dem

(50,224 posts)
76. Yes the cult members are mentally ill as well.
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 06:54 PM
Aug 2022

Or have some sort of intellectual impairment.

Yes I think you summed up the analysis quite well:

I call what is going in in this country currently a combo of fascism, narcissism, stupidity and a form of mass insanity.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
79. Thanks 😀
Thu Aug 11, 2022, 06:00 AM
Aug 2022

Mass insanity is our fav description of it because things have gotten so crazy. It is also the kind of crazy that you see when fascism takes hold.

grumpyduck

(6,325 posts)
13. I've known a fair number of people over the years
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 03:12 PM
Aug 2022

who seemed to have a pressing need to be angry about something. It's like they were mad at the world. They complained about anything no matter how small. Didn't look for solutions, just talked about problems. Held grudges. And so forth.

I have no idea what it is or what causes it, but it's very noticeable.

And nowadays, with the RW media stoking them, they're in heaven.

Biophilic

(3,846 posts)
41. Interesting way to say it, 'with RW media stoking them, they're in heaven'.
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 03:37 PM
Aug 2022

Hadn't thought about it that way, but makes sense.

underpants

(183,550 posts)
14. I've said for a while that they just flipped out
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 03:13 PM
Aug 2022

There was so much change so quickly they just lost it. A black President, gay marriage, hell gays were actually being celebrated and, generally, snickering jokes about people being gay weren’t okay and they knew it.

Trump comes along and plays them (Fox News too) like a fiddle.

Response to Biophilic (Original post)

Biophilic

(3,846 posts)
27. Yes, I agree, but I really hate calling them mentall ill, because it seems to be self-induced
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 03:24 PM
Aug 2022

and self-perpetuated.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
60. Well
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 04:53 PM
Aug 2022

Apparently anything that is not in the realm of "normal" (whatever that really is) is now mentally ill. It's the go to excuse for EVERYTHING. Thing is, norms change. Tattoo's once were very taboo. Now they are common, a norm. Same with divorce, affairs, latch key kids, being gay, being trans, and a whole host of other things. Sociology describes behavior that doesn't fit societal norms as Deviant Behavior. The right can't seem to accept the societal changes that have taken place over the last 50 or so years. They believe everyone BUT them are deviants. When in reality, it's actually them who are the deviants, longing for a Puritan past.

HAB911

(9,043 posts)
74. LOL, the spectrum is so broad
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 06:23 PM
Aug 2022

I'm not entirely sure I'm sane enough (sometimes) to wield the mentally ill axe

Biophilic

(3,846 posts)
30. Unfortunately, it's mine and your death they want. What did we ever do to anyone of them?
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 03:27 PM
Aug 2022

They just piss me off and I wish I had they perfect word/name to call or describe them that would make me feel better. Unfortunately, Death Cult Members just makes me feel insecure because I believe they really are.

Nevilledog

(51,772 posts)
35. No, they don't care when their own die too. See: COVID-19
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 03:30 PM
Aug 2022

They won't care when it's Republican women dying due to abortion bans either.

Biophilic

(3,846 posts)
44. And that's one of the weird parts I just don't get even taking into account their religious beliefs.
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 03:40 PM
Aug 2022

How utterly cruel and inhumane.

Nevilledog

(51,772 posts)
46. The cruelty is the point.
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 03:42 PM
Aug 2022

So long as someone they hate is hurting they don't care about any of the other consequences. This goes to everything.... They vote against their best interests every single election.

frogmarch

(12,182 posts)
38. I think of Jonestown.
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 03:34 PM
Aug 2022

After reading this page, I see similarities between the Jonestown cultists and trumpers. Jackie Speier might too.

https://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=29478

Biophilic

(3,846 posts)
47. Now those words roll off my tongue and leave me feeling self satisfied even if a bit embarrassed.
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 03:44 PM
Aug 2022

I was raised in the 50s to be a lady. Long past that now. Now I just want to feel an occasional sense of satisfaction.

ismnotwasm

(42,077 posts)
43. Fucked up
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 03:39 PM
Aug 2022

Ego driven, lacking in empathy. Immersed in the white supremacy they won’t look at because they benefit from it and the misogynistic codes they espouse with every word.

Bigots. Every one of them

Biophilic

(3,846 posts)
48. Bless you, those are perfect. I feel better just reading your words.
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 03:47 PM
Aug 2022

They are not mentally ill, they are fucked up bigots. I might actually be able to let my soul rest on those words.

iemanja

(53,172 posts)
49. They are authoritarians and fascists
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 03:47 PM
Aug 2022

They know exactly what they are promoting. Their choices are not due to neurological malfunction but rather their own lack of character.

Remember that mental illnesses are biologically based. They are due to faulty brain mechanisms, whether neurotransmitters or something else. When you call them mentally ill, you not only insult the mentally ill but you give them a pass for their behavior.

4dog

(508 posts)
50. Evil will do, recognizing its limits, but
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 03:47 PM
Aug 2022

the question bothering me is why people are unable to recognize evil: ignorant, stupid, cult-involved, well paid, etc.

Biophilic

(3,846 posts)
55. Perhaps because most of us have been taught since birth to not see so many things.
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 04:00 PM
Aug 2022

The less we see, the easier life is. Not conflicts of interest, no moral qualms, nothing to make us uncomfortable, no need to
question what is going on. Life is sooo much easier that way.

Biophilic

(3,846 posts)
67. No I don't think it is but that is a message
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 05:12 PM
Aug 2022

That is often given and certainly one I was fed growing up. The more you see the more you have to think and then you start seeing more and more.

Sympthsical

(9,238 posts)
57. Empathy to people we like is low effort
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 04:20 PM
Aug 2022

It's easy to like someone who agrees with you, thinks like you, or is useful to you in some way.

Empathy towards people you dislike, really don't agree with, and generally have a low opinion of takes a bit of doing. It requires challenging yourself to step outside your own biases, assumptions, pride, and righteousness.

Most people don't do it.

It reminds me of that good dating advice. Don't take note if your date is nice, kind, attentive, and generous with you. Watch how they treat the help. Watch how they treat people who mean nothing to them. That's where you'll see their true character.

People speak prolifically to their flaws and general insular rottenness every single day. They just have zero idea they're doing it. And people who are doing similar will never point it out. Peril of the spaces we inhabit, be it a family, religion, community, or online environment. It's something that needs to be actively worked against because support of it is so widespread.

The people on the Right aren't crazy. They're not mentally ill. They're operating out of a very, very different foundational frame than people of our political persuasion and ideology. They simply see the world much differently. It all starts with confirmation bias. Every news article they see and read is geared towards telling them what the world is like. We're really not very different in this. Every day, I can pull maybe a dozen articles from right here, go through them, and realize that objective reality is not close to what is being claimed to be true. The "narrative" comports.

We're basically two sides telling radically different stories. Obviously, I think our side is right on more things or I wouldn't be on it.

But if you can't empathize, you can't argue. Then it's just talking at each other, shouting at each other, then running back to one's own group for validation and approval.

Not super useful.

There's no need for a pejorative to describe them. They can simply be "the other side" or "the opposition" or just "the Right." Sometimes I'll just call them assholes if they're doing something egregious.

But, I'm in my early 40s. I outgrew childish name calling and cutesy online nicknames ages ago. It's not cute nor particularly clever.

Jilly_in_VA

(10,160 posts)
58. You could look at it this way
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 04:29 PM
Aug 2022

There's a really old joke involving some Disney characters. It's not really about this but maybe the punch line would apply. You'll see. You can make up your mind at the end. (It's funnier if told in character voices, of course!)

Mickey Mouse goes to see a lawyer and tells him he wants a divorce from Minnie Mouse.
Lawyer: "But Mickey, you can't divorce Minnie just because you say she's crazy."
Mickey: "That's not what I said"
Lawyer: "Yes you did. You said Minnie was crazy."
Mickey: " I didn't say she was crazy, I said she was FUCKING GOOFY!"

So maybe these people are just FUCKING GOOFY.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
65. Basic.
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 05:07 PM
Aug 2022

They are people ruled by base impulses and irrational fears, prone to magical thinking, personal mythologizing, and miserly cognition.

Grolph_

(53 posts)
77. Brainwashed
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 08:31 PM
Aug 2022

I know a repeat.

Marketing works. Google (Alphabet) is proof, they gave us an index to the internet at no charge and became one of the wealthiest companies ever. We are the product. Another name for marketing is propaganda. (Your life will be fabulous with whiter teeth!! Your life would be even more fabulous without those pesky minorities!)

We have been targeted; by big business, by big crime, by our government, by foreign governments, by religion. It is to all their benefit to have a receptive audience. We have been conditioned for decades to accept and to be receptive to marketing.

When you willfully endorse things that are not true, you have been brainwashed. An empty mind is easy to fill.
The Internet Research Agency had easy targets. Once you have opened your mind to one conspiracy theory, believing the next one is easier.

Unfortunately, more powerful people direct the messages. So long as it is more profitable to keep us fighting, we will continue to feed the wealthy.

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