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The report that the documents identified in the search warrant included documents relating to nuclear weapons has triggered a wave of assumptions not yet supported by the reported information. in particular, here and elsewhere, people are assuming that the sought-after documents were nuclear codes, or nuclear weapons locations, or nuclear technology. Some go further and assume that the documents in question have been provided to Putin or the Saudis or some other third party.
Yet, the only thing actually reported is that documents relating to nuclear weapons were a subject of the search. What sort of documents? Unknown. More importantly, it has not been reported that any of the sought-after documents were found. Not everything named in a search warrant is always found in a search.
The risk in assuming too much that the results may not meet expectations, (something we've all experienced over the years when it comes to reports of this or that imminent action). More significantly, if the search didn't turn up the documents that folks are assuming it has turned up, Trump will use this in an effort to discredit the entire search. His post this morning (claiming the nuclear angle is a "hoax" ) suggests that is going to be the case. Remember, he knows what was in the warrant and what was found.
I hope the search found the most damning material possible, but I'm not going to count my chickens before they hatch.
Tetrachloride
(9,625 posts)reasons for a warrant: money laundering, fraud, election tampering, paternity suits, other military aspects.
ty for your post
luv2fly
(2,673 posts)All the fist and chest bumping is unwarranted at this point in time. We have very few facts upon which to base all the assumptions being tossed around.
That won't stop people though.
werdna
(1,231 posts). . . we are a long way from knowing what documents were actually secured with the warrant. The reveal of the specifics of the warrant only point toward what was suspected/expected to be present. The inventory of what was taken
(and from where in the compound, maybe?) will be vague; it will take weeks/months to go through it all.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Magoo48
(6,721 posts)But, I try to remember that speculations, like expectations, are often found walking hand in hand with disappointment.
imanamerican63
(16,189 posts)No doubt about it!
gulliver
(13,986 posts)He might not have mentioned the idea of "planting" if he didn't know that something bad was found.
Still, the idea that it was nuclear information could have been planted with the WaPo by a Trump ally to discredit the media and the DoJ. Conclusions should remain unjumped to for the time being.
KS Toronado
(23,727 posts)as to a tRumpie ally planting the info to rile up his base. Hope the WaPo checked their source out
real close before publishing.
pwb
(12,676 posts)It is a punk excuse heard in every court room everyday.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,246 posts)And, IMO, not relevant to the prosecution of the case against Trump.
While the presence of nuclear related documents at MAL might help persuade a jury, its not required to bring charges; neither is whether the documents were classified or not.
The main significance of nuclear documents is in how that helps the story dominate the news cycles, and keep voters aware, and hopefully, alarmed, at the severity of Trumps crimes.
Sympthsical
(10,971 posts)I figured wait a few days, see if the warrant is unsealed, and then move on from there.
There is just so. much. speculation. Twitter and journalists (but I repeat myself) spent an entire day demanding to see a warrant that was actually sealed.
I don't get a good sense that the media even knows what's really going on. It's all airy questioning, "What could this mean?! What could be there?" That's not information. That's just moving lips around to fill time.
I think the warrant will clear things up to a decent degree. We'll have a better sense of what we're looking at.
Right now, I genuinely have no idea. It was good Garland came out. He had to. If he were silent, Trump and his supporters would've filled that vacuum with whatever they wanted. You can't leave that sort of thing alone.
I know social media really doesn't know what's going on either though, lol. It's kind of fun to watch, as long as you (hope) people don't actually believe what they're filling empty space with. Because some if it is Grade A Wacky. Funny, but wacky.
I figure by Monday, it'll be sifted enough to get the shape of things. I'm not paid to real-time react to everything on Twitter, so it can be left alone for a day or two.
70sEraVet
(5,483 posts)Hungry people are going to dream about food!
Farmer-Rick
(12,668 posts)It could be most anything.
But sometimes speculating can be fun. Just so you don't take your own imaginings as fact.
judesedit
(4,592 posts)Makes me think the opposite of anything that liar says.
Moostache
(11,190 posts)How many BILLIONS went from Saudis to Trump and family? 666 Park Avenue? Hundreds of miilions to billions reportedly in profits to Jarvanka?
I'd say that speculation is not beyond the pale here...
Joinfortmill
(21,175 posts)msfiddlestix
(8,178 posts)One thing that psychopath has exposed from years ago, if Trump says "it's a hoax". it's almost always the opposite.
However, the rule of the broken clock could very well be in play.
We don't know yet.
onenote
(46,147 posts)Even if the documents being sought aren't found, it doesn't mean that there wasn't good cause to search for them and that they may still be missing or stored elsewhere. It was just to make the point that if they aren't found, Trump will claim it proves that the search was unwarranted. Which, of course, would be bullshit.
ElementaryPenguin
(7,911 posts)Trump never fails to exceed my worst fears of just what a putrid, soulless creature he truly is!
With Trump - always assume he's guilty of the worst crimes imaginable - and you'll never go wrong.
iemanja
(57,757 posts)But with Trump we have learned that he regularly exceeds the worst people can think of.
orangecrush
(30,298 posts)jaxexpat
(7,794 posts)on the warrant was written in invisible ink that only shows in the light of a full moon. And it's in a decipherable Klingon code. Darn Klingons and their codes to heck.
orangecrush
(30,298 posts)yaesu
(9,330 posts)even when they know it's not true. Taking the high road will just get US more yrs of tRump
Greg K
(599 posts)And to make everyone look foolish for jumping on it.
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)they were claiming something was planted before the search was even finished. You don't claim evidence was planted unless you know they are going to find something incriminating.
ewagner
(18,967 posts)yonder
(10,293 posts)and until we have more info, caution should be taken to avoid falling into a crafty trap or risk being called out for jumping to conclusions.
Bev54
(13,432 posts)telephone interview that they did find and retrieve documents related to the Nuclear program.
JMCKUSICK
(6,053 posts)Is that the receipt has numerous redactions
NNadir
(38,069 posts)...in an exceedingly stupid way.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)That the nature of the blogosphere.
kirby
(4,534 posts)So much speculation and declaration of unknown things as facts. Disappointing.
Now the news media, including MSNBC, is suing for DOJ to release the affidavit for the search warrant which if done might make people feel happy but could poison / ruin any prosecution.
Escurumbele
(4,094 posts)appleannie1
(5,457 posts)Traildogbob
(13,018 posts)The chickens before they hatch, but I keep a close count of the eggs. They can damn sure keep you from starving to death. We got a bunch of eggs in our carton right now, with more being laid daily. The chicken coup is a gold mine. And I love going to get the new batch every morning. Im at least gonna color my eggs like Easter time to enjoy looking at em. But we gotta stay vigil. That fucking FOX 🦊 is circling the hen house to eat all the eggs AND the chickens to feed off of and destroy the whole damn thing. Garland is the guard dog standing out by the chickens and the daily eggs to end the Foxs regime of terror.
Ninga
(9,012 posts)substance could have/was found, it would mean a deep nail in the coffin struck by the GQP.
Do,ya suppose that was the case
..nothing to see here, move along
LeftInTX
(34,310 posts)It's the tip of the iceberg!
My hunch: I think if there was a real national security concern they would have seized the documents in early 2021.
My hunch is the documents are like J Edgar Hoover's "political enemies" files. Mostly political dirt on people with a chance of some nuclear weapon info in them.


Marthe48
(23,178 posts)He probably had help selecting an packing the stolen material. I've probably got 27 boxes of family papers and even sort, I don't what is in every box.
I'm thinking of the scene in The Jerk, when Steve Martin is leaving his wife, and says, "This ashtray is all I need. And this chair. And then there is a shot of him walking away from the house laden with all of the things he decided he needed.
pwb
(12,676 posts)Myself I do not need to know about any of this. The results I await. Assuming is all the right wing media does, we discuss.
liberalla
(11,089 posts)We will wait and see.
...but it is fun to speculate!
FBaggins
(28,706 posts)The reporting I've seen says only "classified nuclear documents"
Which doesn't have to involve weapons at all. It could be civilian nuclear power or military nuclear propulsion or foreign policy documents related to proliferation, enrichment, energy, etc..
LymphocyteLover
(9,853 posts)LymphocyteLover
(9,853 posts)and totally fits with other known facts like dump's extreme corruption and obsession with nukes, his ties to the Saudis and Putin
LymphocyteLover
(9,853 posts)Joinfortmill
(21,175 posts)[