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Kid Berwyn

(24,393 posts)
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 03:17 PM Aug 2022

Trump got his Roy Cohn.

Talk about Karma.



Roy Cohn Condemned the Rosenbergs as Soviet Spies. Their Granddaughter Just Made a Film About Him.

Ivy Meeropol, the director of Bully. Coward. Victim., discusses the life of the Trump mentor who remains one of America's most infamous villains.


By Gabrielle Bruney
Esquire, JUN 18, 2020

EXCERPT…

Cohn was just 23 when his role as a prosecutor in the Rosenberg trial made him a nationally-known figure. Electrical engineer Julius and his secretary wife Ethel were native New Yorkers who met in the Young Communist league in the 1930s, and were arrested in 1950. In a trial riddled with prosecutorial misconduct, the Rosenbergs were convicted of passing to Russia secrets of the atomic bomb. One of their allies later confessed that Julius did commit espionage—but historians generally agree that the information he relayed was not at all crucial to Soviet bomb-building efforts. Alan Dershowitz, a true Trump-era Forrest Gump, says in the film that Cohn told him the trial amounted to “fram[ing] guilty people.”

But Ethel was almost certainly innocent. Her brother and spy ring co-conspirator David Greenglass testified during the trial that his sister was involved in the plot, but later recanted his account, saying that, with Cohn’s encouragement, he lied to spare his own wife and family. Unlike everyone else involved in the spying operation, Ethel was never given a codename. Still, Cohn boasted in his autobiography that when trial judge Irving Kaufman, torn over whether or not to sentence Ethel to death, called him for advice, he urged the judge to condemn her. “The way I see it,” he told Kaufman, “she is worse than Julius.”

The Rosenbergs’ extended family members were too afraid of falling under the taint of communism to take in their orphaned sons. Robert and Michael were eventually adopted by Abel Meeropol, writer of the anti-lynching protest song “Strange Fruit,” and his wife Anne, after the children were introduced to the couple at a party at W.E.B. Du Bois’ home. Both grew up to be university professors.

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https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a32894716/roy-cohn-bully-coward-victim-documentary-julius-ethel-rosenberg-true-story/

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Kid Berwyn

(24,393 posts)
4. Guy could think big picture.
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 03:39 PM
Aug 2022

“I don't want to know what the law is, I want to know who the judge is.” — Roy Cohn

Eliot Rosewater

(34,285 posts)
2. Worst part of this of course
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 03:25 PM
Aug 2022

Over 50 million Americans would love to have Roy Cohn framing liberals and democrats.

Kid Berwyn

(24,393 posts)
6. They bought all them AKs and ARs just for that occasion.
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 03:51 PM
Aug 2022

Thanks to Clarence Thomas, Oliver North and the NRA, they almost pulled it off.

LonePirate

(14,367 posts)
3. I would not oppose the DOJ pursuing that espionage charge like Cohn going after the Rosenbergs.
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 03:38 PM
Aug 2022

Kid Berwyn

(24,393 posts)
8. As he'd never been held to account, the dip thought he'd never get caught.
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 04:56 PM
Aug 2022
The Final Lesson Donald Trump Never Learned From Roy Cohn

The unrepentant political hitman who taught a younger Trump how to flout the rules didn’t get away with it forever.


By MICHAEL KRUSE
Politico, September 19, 2019

EXCERPT…

“Roy,” according to an attorney in his office, “couldn’t have given less of a shit about rules.”

“I decided long ago,” Cohn once told Penthouse, “to make my own rules.”

He was acquitted in ’64, and he was acquitted in ’69, and he was acquitted in ’71, all the while thumbing his nose at the feds, but Cohn’s screw-you stance was a lifelong philosophy, entitlement plus boldness.

He was “an incredibly spoiled princeling of an only child,” Cohn cousin David Lloyd Marcus told me. “He always got his way,” recalled his favorite aunt. As an adult, the resting expression on his face, which was marred by a scar that ran like a scrape down the middle of his nose, was a mixture of “arrogant disdain” and a “whipped-dog look,” people observed, “caught somewhere between a pout and a challenging glare.”

He didn’t pay his bills, all but daring his creditors to sue him for what he owed—tailors, locksmiths, mechanics, travel agencies, storage companies, credit card companies, stationery stores, office supply stores. He didn’t pay people back, “friend or foe,” wrote his biographer, Nicholas von Hoffman, who reported that a captain of his yacht called Defiance “had a mental map” of “ports we couldn’t go into because we owed thousands of dollars.”

He didn’t pay his taxes, either, racking up millions of dollars in liens. Taxes, he believed, went to “welfare recipients” and “political hacks” and “bloated bureaucrats” and “countries whose people hate our guts.” He ceaselessly taunted the IRS, calling it “the closest thing we have in this country to a Nazi or Soviet-type agency”—subpoenas from which, he said, went straight into “the wastebasket.”

He drank champagne spiked with Sweet’n Low and habitually picked food off other people’s plates, thinking that manners for some reason did not apply to him. He told his chauffeurs, the drivers of his Bentley and his Cadillac and his money-green Rolls-Royce, to run red lights. “Just go!” he would yell, reaching over to the steering wheel and pounding on the horn.

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https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/19/roy-cohn-donald-trump-documentary-228144/

Behind the Aegis

(56,108 posts)
5. Cohn: A self-loathing Jew and a self-loathing gay man.
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 03:43 PM
Aug 2022

His name should live on in a expression like "Uncle Roy" for all Jews and gay men who are traitors to their communities.

Kid Berwyn

(24,393 posts)
9. It's how he got to the top.
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 05:07 PM
Aug 2022

The Final Lesson Donald Trump Never Learned From Roy Cohn

The unrepentant political hitman who taught a younger Trump how to flout the rules didn’t get away with it forever.


By MICHAEL KRUSE
Politico, September 19, 2019

EXCERPT…

He was preening and combative, look-at-me lavish and loud. It was an act. The truth was he hated what he was—a lawyer who hated lawyers, a Jewish person who hated Jewish people, and a gay person, fiercely closeted if haphazardly hidden, who hated gay people, calling them “fags” and expressing his conviction that “homosexual teachers are a grave threat to our children,” according to both his biography and autobiography. In his book, Zirin calls Cohn “a quintessential hypocrite, a classic Tartuffe.” He wanted the world to see only the person he “shaped and invented,” in von Hoffman’s words, “a secret man living a public life.”

And as a litigator, Cohn had earned a reputation as “an intimidator and a bluffer,” attorney Arthur Liman would write, “famous among lawyers for winning cases by delays, evasions, and lies.” He was unorganized and largely disinterested in specifics, relying less on preparation and more on his belligerence and his vast, nonpareil network of social and political connections that spanned parties and stretched from New York pay-to-play clubhouses to the backrooms of Washington as well as the Oval Office.

“People came to me,” Cohn explained in Penthouse, “because my public image was that I was unlike most other lawyers. Not the typical bill-by-the-hour, do-nothing, cover-up shyster but someone who won’t be pushed around.” His clients called him a “pit bull” and “a shield” and included mob bosses who met in his office to use attorney-client privilege to dodge potential wiretaps. “He’ll bend the rules to the limit,” a New York law professor once told Newsweek. “He will stop at nothing,” a law school classmate once told Esquire.

His biographer likened him to Houdini.

Cohn, however, preferred a different comparison. “If you can get Machiavelli as a lawyer,” he once said, “you’re certainly no fool of a client.”

He was roundly, practically fetishistically unapologetic, remorseless, shameless, “totally impervious to being insulted,” said gossip columnist Liz Smith, living by a code of blunt, come-at-me audacity, accessible only to those unhampered by morality.

“He made his legal and political career,” in the estimation of the British historian Eric Hobsbawm, “in a milieu where money and power override rules and law—indeed where the ability to get, and get away with, what lesser citizens cannot, is what proves membership of an elite.”

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https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/19/roy-cohn-donald-trump-documentary-228144/

NameAlreadyTaken

(2,301 posts)
10. Cohn worked for Trump for years, until...
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 05:32 PM
Aug 2022

...Cohn acquired AIDS and Trump completely abandoned him.

Kid Berwyn

(24,393 posts)
11. Unimaginable. I didn't think I could think lower of the traitor.
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 06:34 PM
Aug 2022

Even Roy Cohn deserved mercy and charity when ill.

As a defendant, I’d throw the book at him, too.

PlanetBev

(4,412 posts)
12. The was a memorable line in the documentary "Where's My Roy Cohn?"
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 07:12 PM
Aug 2022

Eventually they caught up with Cohn on tax evasion.
The line was, “He got away with it until he didn’t, and then he was a pinned moth.”

Hopefully, this will apply to Trump, as well.

Kid Berwyn

(24,393 posts)
13. That is a perfect vision.
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 07:55 PM
Aug 2022

One pinned moth deserves another…



Amazing times, ours. We are witnessing the useful tool of America’s enemies, Donald J. Trump, pegged for violating the espionage act. And most all of his supporters have been exposed over his time as MF45 too.

PlanetBev

(4,412 posts)
14. Makes sense that Trump has dug this hole for himself
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 08:02 PM
Aug 2022

Cohn was his mentor. Taught him well.

Cohn looks like Boris Karloff in the 1932 horror film, “The Mummy.” The rotten life he led is clearly expressed in that mug shot.

kskiska

(27,165 posts)
15. Trump's sister Marianne got her job on the U.S. Court of Appeals
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 08:18 PM
Aug 2022

due to Roy Cohn, as requested by her brother.

Kid Berwyn

(24,393 posts)
17. Amazing, what money and power can accomplish.
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 10:59 AM
Aug 2022

Judge Maryanne Trump Barry also dispels today’s official excuse for all the documents in Merde-de-Loco: automatically declassified “homework.”



The real Maryanne Trump scandal is the Trump family’s wealth

Trump “has no principles — none,” his sister said on secret tape. But there are questions about her involvement in the family’s deceptive business practices.


By Riley Beggin
Vox, Aug 23, 2020

President Donald Trump’s sister, Maryanne Trump Barry, sharply disparaged the president and said she believed he paid a friend to take his SATs in audio recordings published by the Washington Post Saturday night.

Trump “has no principles — none,” Barry said in the recordings provided to the Post. “It’s the phoniness of it all. It’s the phoniness and this cruelty. Donald is cruel.”

Barry, a former federal judge, made the comments in a set of secret recordings in 2018 and 2019 by her niece, Mary Trump, who has emerged as a fierce critic of the president.

Barry said that Donald Trump “doesn’t read,” that “he was a brat,” and that she did his homework for him, adding that she believes he paid a friend to take the standardized tests that allowed him to transfer from Fordham University to the University of Pennsylvania. She also expressed disgust over “what they’re doing with kids at the border” in the Trump administration’s family separation policy for migrants.

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https://www.vox.com/2020/8/23/21397856/maryanne-trump-barry-recordings-mary-trump



And our system is supposed to be a meritocracy.
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