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Novara

(6,115 posts)
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 06:11 PM Aug 2022

Mango Mussolini didn't simply "take" classified documents. THIS IS THEFT.

Some of these documents are so highly classified that they are to never leave secure premises. This is absolutely theft; theft of highly classified information.

So, he had to have known what the material contained and he had to have persuaded someone to remove it from the premises. This person needs to be found. In addition, classified materials are guarded. They had to get around that guard too. That person also need to be found.

This is interesting:

All classified material must be stored in a secure room, a GSA-approved storage container, such as a cabinet or safe or a vault or modular vault, or a sensitive compartmented information facility (SCIF).

a. Confidential material may be stored in a secure room, a cabinet or safe, or a vault or modular vault. Confidential information may also be stored in a SCIF. No additional protection is required to store Confidential material in any of these containers or facilities.

b. Secret material may also be stored in a secure room, a cabinet or safe, a vault or modular vault, or a
SCIF. However, if Secret material is stored in a secure room, then supplemental controls are required to ensure its protection. We'll look later at the specific supplemental controls required for Secret material.

c. Top Secret Like the lower levels of classified material, Top Secret material may also be stored in a secure room, a cabinet or safe, a vault or modular vault, or a SCIF. However, regardless of whether it is stored in a secure room, a cabinet or safe, or a vault, Top Secret material always requires supplemental controls. We'll look later at the specific supplemental controls required for Top Secret material.

d. Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) There is only one acceptable place to store SCI, and that is in a SCIF. Although any type of classified material may also be stored in a SCIF, SCI may NOT be stored in anything other than a SCIF.


There's so much more: https://www.cdse.edu/Portals/124/Documents/student-guides/shorts/IFS0024-guide.pdf

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dchill

(41,638 posts)
1. The last time the term "SCIF" was in the news...
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 06:16 PM
Aug 2022

Matt Gaetz and his cronies were breaking into one and ordering pizza. "The times, they are a-changing."

brush

(59,291 posts)
4. Absolutely it's theft, no getting around it.
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 06:22 PM
Aug 2022

He's toast as presidential material. As far as being indicted and tried yet. That's going to take a while.

global1

(26,077 posts)
5. I Got To Think That Very Few People That Worked In Tr**p's WH Had Access To These....
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 06:28 PM
Aug 2022

materials. It seems to me that it should be relatively easy to determine who may have facilitated those materials to Tr**p and out of the WH to M-A-L.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
6. It had to be someone with the highest clearance, otherwise they couldn't have ...
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 06:30 PM
Aug 2022

... gotten into the SCIF and taken documents out of the SCIF. And let's look at the people who are supposed to be guarding the SCIF too.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
8. Yep, especially the highest classification level
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 07:11 AM
Aug 2022

Since only limited people have access to the highest classification level material, it shouldn't be that hard to nail down.

Midnight Writer

(23,527 posts)
7. Who told him what to take? This is not material that would just routinely cross his desk.
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 08:35 PM
Aug 2022

He, or his agents, went to great lengths to get these specific documents. Since trump refused to take intelligence briefings, how would he know what to take.

The two questions, in my mind, are; who told him what to take, and what did they intend to do with it? Or did they already do it? He's had a year and a half to photograph and transmit whatever was there.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
9. Exactly
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 07:17 AM
Aug 2022

He's too stupid to know what was valuable enough to steal. He definitely had help determining what material to steal.

Stay tuned, man. I am sure the FBI can narrow it down to select individuals. And then, if it looks like indictments are coming, watch them squeal. These are serious damn charges, and if sentences are charged per count, someone convicted of this stuff will be in prison long enough to die in prison.




And you know what? Congress should get busy on tightening up the way security clearances are issued and how secure material is handled. It's VERY clear now that our classified information is not secure. Let's see republicans vote against THAT (they will).

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