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KY_EnviroGuy

(14,498 posts)
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 11:15 PM Aug 2022

I would wager many, if not all, of the Moar-B-Loco docs were scanned or photographed...

and could have been sent who knows where or are being held as future ammo for espionage or blackmail. Hell, they were not safe or secure while in the White House during TFG's stay and also were fair game for all sorts of crooks and spies while in Florida.

Other guesses and questions:

1. When shipped from Washington, could the boxes have been intentionally mislabeled (say, as tRump business documents) in order to conceal their content?

2. Isn't there an existing protocol controlling everything that leaves the White House? It was evident from the start that TFG and his team would not respect any laws, rules, norms or standards.

3. Can the Secret Service be compelled to reveal anything they observed relating to the movement of these documents and any activities around them after arriving in Florida?

4. Are these original documents and the only existing copies, or are the originals still in D.C.? I was under the impression that all documents, event records and transcripts during any administration is supposed to be immediately archived in a safe, secure place.

5. Surely the originals of any classified documents found in Florida are still secure in Washington!

6. I wonder if there are ways to determine what documents are missing from the original shipments.

I hope President Biden and Congress take firm steps during this administration to insure this can never happen again.


KY rant done.....

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I would wager many, if not all, of the Moar-B-Loco docs were scanned or photographed... (Original Post) KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2022 OP
Good legit questions. We need to know the who and how of these docs TS/SCI docs. OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2022 #1
For me, the biggest unknowns are Tetrachloride Aug 2022 #2
The third question is how much damage to national security has been done? Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #8
Who identified which documents to take jmbar2 Aug 2022 #9
Bingo misanthrope Aug 2022 #11
McEnemy...er...McEnany? Jared? keep_left Aug 2022 #12
Absolutely. He needed help pulling this off. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #13
The FBI is fingerprint ing the docs. FalloutShelter Aug 2022 #3
They are????? Wow Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2022 #4
I wonder... IF you were a traitor, why not just make a photocopy Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2022 #5
Maybe he was holding the originals ransom, going to make the government pay for them? Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #7
Once they left Washington, all were fair game with no accountability. KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2022 #10
The moving van from DC to Florida was most likely not secure. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #6

OAITW r.2.0

(24,694 posts)
1. Good legit questions. We need to know the who and how of these docs TS/SCI docs.
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 11:19 PM
Aug 2022

ended up in Trump's basement. Trump had help. Who else broke the law?

Irish_Dem

(47,552 posts)
8. The third question is how much damage to national security has been done?
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 12:46 AM
Aug 2022

Yes Trump had help in this huge heist of top secret documents.

jmbar2

(4,911 posts)
9. Who identified which documents to take
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 01:29 AM
Aug 2022

Trump is not a paperwork kind of guy. Someone made a list of what to take.

misanthrope

(7,432 posts)
11. Bingo
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 02:01 AM
Aug 2022

DJT's extent would have been to tell someone to grab this or that, whatever his dotard's noggin could recall. But it wouldn't have been detailed or extensive.

keep_left

(1,793 posts)
12. McEnemy...er...McEnany? Jared?
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 02:08 AM
Aug 2022

I recall that a lot of staff began departing toward the end of the Drumpf regime. Only a skeleton crew of true believers remained.

Irish_Dem

(47,552 posts)
13. Absolutely. He needed help pulling this off.
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 07:55 AM
Aug 2022

The person would have been:

Someone with experience working with the enemy.
Close ties to Putin.
Very familiar with covert operations.
Very familiar with military secret intel.

Just guessing but Gen Mike Flynn fits the bill.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
5. I wonder... IF you were a traitor, why not just make a photocopy
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 12:15 AM
Aug 2022

And send the photocopy to whomever or hold for future extortion... And let the real document go through the hoops.

In actuality it's not the piece of paper it's the information on that piece of paper.

Oh geez, coulda just uncovered their defense sorry.

Irish_Dem

(47,552 posts)
7. Maybe he was holding the originals ransom, going to make the government pay for them?
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 12:44 AM
Aug 2022

He is crazy enough to think that might work out for him.

Or the value must have been in having the originals. Top dollar paid only for originals, not copies.
If you are going to sell, extort, blackmail or leverage in a very big way you need the originals.



KY_EnviroGuy

(14,498 posts)
10. Once they left Washington, all were fair game with no accountability.
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 01:51 AM
Aug 2022

Any or all could have been destroyed, lost, sold, copied or scanned or even modified with no one to object.

We may never know what their motives were, whether to sell to crooks or collectors, to use for espionage or bribery or just to have as leverage against future tRump enemies or to seize for his presidential library.

They may have even been stupid enough to think that taking possession of the papers might hide evidence that could be used for future prosecution of say, election-related crimes (and has that notion ever backfired).

Regardless, we can bet the reasons were nefarious.....

Irish_Dem

(47,552 posts)
6. The moving van from DC to Florida was most likely not secure.
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 12:40 AM
Aug 2022

Van drivers stopped to eat, sleep, etc.

We have no idea if any of the boxes were missing by the time the trucks got to Fla.

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